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From: Gergely CZUCZY <phoemix@harmless.hu>
Reply-To: Gergely CZUCZY <phoemix@harmless.hu>
To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org
Cc:
Subject: Handbook's default partitioning schema is out-of-date
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>Number:         107432
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       Handbook's default partitioning schema is out-of-date
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       low
>Responsible:    trhodes
>State:          closed
>Quarter:        
>Keywords:       
>Date-Required:  
>Class:          doc-bug
>Submitter-Id:   current-users
>Arrival-Date:   Tue Jan 02 15:20:16 GMT 2007
>Closed-Date:    Tue Jul 15 14:03:03 UTC 2008
>Last-Modified:  Tue Jul 15 14:03:03 UTC 2008
>Originator:     Gergely CZUCZY
>Release:        FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p10 i386
>Organization:
>Environment:
System: FreeBSD marvin.harmless.hu 6.1-RELEASE-p10 FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p10 #5: Sun Nov 19 10:39:45 CET 2006 root@marvin.harmless.hu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MARVIN i386

It was reported by a user who has just installed 6.2-RC2

>Description:
	The handbook's default partitioning scheme looks like this:
	a 100MB /
	b 2-3x RAM swap
	d 50MB /var
	e rest /usr

	now, the user installed his comupter like this, and he
	asked that why was he out-of-space when he installed some
	packages. i checked my desktop's /var. usage, and it was 56MB
	so, things might had been changed since then.

>How-To-Repeat:
	See description.

>Fix:
	i suggest the following partitioning scheme for
	newbies in the handbook:

	a 500MB /
	b 500MB-2G swap (depending on the ammount of RAM)
	d rest /usr

	having a separate /var for first installers is not
	so important. for later on usage it could be suggested
	to use more partitions, and the different tree points
	were explained along with why they might need a separate
	partition.

	like:
	/	500MB, rootfs
	swap	depending on the amount of RAM
	/usr	as big as possible, user applications were take
		place here, along with ports and system sources
	/tmp	separation might be needed to not let temporary large
		files to disturb the system. also think of /var/tmp
	/var	~100MB with respect to /var/log, /var/db
	/var/log it's a good idea to sperate this, thus some logs
		might fill the disk which can disturb other daemons
		using /var
	/usr/home or /home, user account data
	/usr/local	3rdparty packages, to separate them from
		the base system

	... so on.
	so, i suggest a general newbie-partition-schema and a detailed
	explanation for advanced/production/non-desktop usage


>Release-Note:
>Audit-Trail:

From: "Niclas Zeising" <niclas.zeising@gmail.com>
To: "Gergely CZUCZY" <phoemix@harmless.hu>
Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: docs/107432: Handbook's default partitioning schema is out-of-date
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 17:20:22 +0100

 There is some work in progress about doing a major overhaul of the
 entire installation chapter. This issue will likely be fixed by then,
 at least for the most common case.

From: Ceri Davies <ceri@submonkey.net>
To: Remko Lodder <remko@elvandar.org>
Cc: Niclas Zeising <niclas.zeising@gmail.com>,
	FreeBSD Gnats Submit <freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org>
Subject: Re: docs/107432: Handbook's default partitioning schema is out-of-date
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 11:53:15 +0000

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 On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 07:31:45AM +0100, Remko Lodder wrote:
 > On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 04:50:20PM +0000, Niclas Zeising wrote:
 > > The following reply was made to PR docs/107432; it has been noted by GN=
 ATS.
 > >=20
 > > From: "Niclas Zeising" <niclas.zeising@gmail.com>
 > > To: "Gergely CZUCZY" <phoemix@harmless.hu>
 > > Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org
 > > Subject: Re: docs/107432: Handbook's default partitioning schema is out=
 -of-date
 > > Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 17:20:22 +0100
 > >=20
 > >  There is some work in progress about doing a major overhaul of the
 > >  entire installation chapter. This issue will likely be fixed by then,
 > >  at least for the most common case.
 >=20
 > Perhaps it will be a good idea to document the 'new' defaults
 > for larger systems. Do note however that with disks smaller then
 > 2GB (from my head) the old defaults still apply. If you want I
 > can give you the information (I need to look it up as well).
 
 The current mininum sizes are:
 
 / 128M (alpha,ia64,sparc64,amd64)
 / 118M (everything else)
 swap 32M
 /usr 160M
 /var, /tmp, /home 20M
 
 Defaults are:
 
 / 512M
 /usr 8G
 /var 1G
 /tmp 512M
 /home 8G
 
 If the defaults can't be met, we try the following values before falling
 back to the minimum:
 
 / 256M
 /usr 1.5G
 /var 128M
 /tmp 128M
 /home 1.5G
 
 This information in sysinstall/label.c.
 
 Ceri
 --=20
 That must be wonderful!  I don't understand it at all.
                                                   -- Moliere
 
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From: Tom Rhodes <trhodes@FreeBSD.org>
To: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org, phoemix@harmless.hu
Cc:  
Subject: Re: docs/107432: Handbook's default partitioning schema is
 out-of-date
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:57:41 -0400

 Hi,
 
 > The handbook's default partitioning scheme looks like this:
 > a 100MB /
 > b 2-3x RAM swap
 > d 50MB /var
 > e rest /usr
 
 From the page:
 http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install-steps.html
 
 It appears that / was upped to 512MB, /var is 256MB to 1024MB,
 and /usr having the rest, noting at least 2GB.
 
 This PR should probably be closed.  I'm going to give it a few
 days to see if any follow ups come in, otherwise, I'll close it.
 
 Thanks,
 -- 
 Tom Rhodes

From: CZUCZY Gergely <phoemix@harmless.hu>
To: Tom Rhodes <trhodes@FreeBSD.org>
Cc: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org, phoemix@harmless.hu
Subject: Re: docs/107432: Handbook's default partitioning schema is
 out-of-date
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:31:11 +0200

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 Hello,
 
 Yes, I agree. The can be considered solved by this update.
 
 On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:57:41 -0400
 Tom Rhodes <trhodes@FreeBSD.org> wrote:
 
 > Hi,
 >=20
 > > The handbook's default partitioning scheme looks like this:
 > > a 100MB /
 > > b 2-3x RAM swap
 > > d 50MB /var
 > > e rest /usr
 >=20
 > From the page:
 > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install-steps.h=
 tml
 >=20
 > It appears that / was upped to 512MB, /var is 256MB to 1024MB,
 > and /usr having the rest, noting at least 2GB.
 >=20
 > This PR should probably be closed.  I'm going to give it a few
 > days to see if any follow ups come in, otherwise, I'll close it.
 >=20
 > Thanks,
 
 
 --=20
 Sincerely,
 
 Gergely CZUCZY
 Harmless Digital Bt
 mailto: gergely.czuczy@harmless.hu
 Tel: +36-30-9702963
 
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State-Changed-From-To: open->closed 
State-Changed-By: trhodes 
State-Changed-When: Tue Jul 15 14:01:49 UTC 2008 
State-Changed-Why:  
Close this PR, the handbook was previously updated and 
submitter believes the issue has been solved. 


Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->trhodes 
Responsible-Changed-By: trhodes 
Responsible-Changed-When: Tue Jul 15 14:01:49 UTC 2008 
Responsible-Changed-Why:  
Over to me, following. 

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=107432 
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