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>Number:         13790
>Category:       advocacy
>Synopsis:       Kudos for Recent Press
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       low
>Responsible:    freebsd-advocacy
>State:          closed
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>Submitter-Id:   current-users
>Arrival-Date:   Fri Sep 17 08:10:04 PDT 1999
>Closed-Date:    Fri Sep 17 11:02:48 PDT 1999
>Last-Modified:  Fri Sep 17 12:50:03 PDT 1999
>Originator:     Bob Van Valzah
>Release:        3.2-RELEASE
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Not a problem--I just wanted to say kudos to the advocacy folks after
noticing the Wall Street Journal and Boston Globe pieces recently.

Keep up the good work!
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From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai <asmodai@wxs.nl>
To: Bob@WhiteBarn.com
Cc: FreeBSD Gnats <freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org>
Subject: Re: advocacy/13790: Kudos for Recent Press
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 19:40:21 +0200

 [intentional submission to GNATS left for the archives ]
 
 * Bob@WhiteBarn.com (Bob@WhiteBarn.com) [990917 19:28]:
 >
 >>Number:         13790
 >>Category:       advocacy
 >>Description:
 >Not a problem--I just wanted to say kudos to the advocacy folks after
 >noticing the Wall Street Journal and Boston Globe pieces recently.
 >
 >Keep up the good work!
 
 Pardon me for being the asshole now, how much I agree, but please,
 PLEASE don't abuse the pr system like this.
 
 If you feel you need to congratulate the advocacy guys (whom we all
 are in a sense) mail to advocacy@freebsd.org. You will reach them in
 that way.
 
 If we start to dirty the PR system with stuff like this, we lose the
 effectiveness of the PR system which is already a hell of a job to
 maintain.
 
 Of course I speak from my own person, but I hope the others agree 
 with me on this one.
 
 -- 
 Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai                  asmodai(at)wxs.nl
 The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project <http://home.wxs.nl/~asmodai>
 Network/Security Specialist        BSD: Technical excellence at its best
 Haste makes waste.
 
State-Changed-From-To: open->closed 
State-Changed-By: steve 
State-Changed-When: Fri Sep 17 11:02:48 PDT 1999 
State-Changed-Why:  
Thanks from all of us for the kudos, but as Jeroen mentioned this really 
belongs on the mailing list, advocacy@freebsd.org, and not as a PR. Thanks. 

From: Bob Van Valzah <Bob@whitebarn.com>
To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai <asmodai@wxs.nl>, steve@FreeBSD.org
Cc: FreeBSD Gnats <freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org>,
	Advocacy@FreeBSD.org, www@FreeBSD.org
Subject: Re: advocacy/13790: Kudos for Recent Press
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:24:49 -0500

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 Jeroen & Steve, I'm with you. I've been managing software development
 projects for 15 years so I understand the importance of keeping a PR system
 clean. Nobody wants the metrics mucked up.
 
 In fact, I actually set out this morning with the intent of sending E-Mail
 to the advocacy folks.
 
 I wasn't certain of their E-Mail address. (In retrospect, I should've just
 tried Advocacy@FreeBSD.Org and let it bounce if I was wrong.)
 
 I searched hoping to find a list of mail aliases or something. Most of the
 hits that came back were RQN issues. No E-Mail alias were listed anywhere
 in the top ten hits. Send-pr.html was the number 3 hit. It seemed hard to
 imagine how "advocacy" would be a problem category taken as seriously as
 say "kern," so I "abused" the PR system after 5 minutes of searching in
 vain.
 
 I apologize.
 
 But this sequence of events leaves me with some nagging questions
 
   1. Does advocacy even belong on send-pr.html? What would be a reasonable
      problem to report in the advocacy category? Would you actually track
      it and close it?
   2. Why doesn't Advocacy@FreeBSD.Org show up in the top 10 search hits?
   3. What ever happened to the host Advocacy.FreeBSD.Org? (One of the
      search page hits lead there.)
   4. I can't be the only guy to've ever introduced a "noise" message into
      the PR system. Is there a systemic problem that makes it difficult to
      close a "noise" message and get on with it?
 
 Thanks for your consideration.
 
     Bob
 
 Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote:
 
 > [intentional submission to GNATS left for the archives ]
 >
 > * Bob@WhiteBarn.com (Bob@WhiteBarn.com) [990917 19:28]:
 > >
 > >>Number:         13790
 > >>Category:       advocacy
 > >>Description:
 > >Not a problem--I just wanted to say kudos to the advocacy folks after
 > >noticing the Wall Street Journal and Boston Globe pieces recently.
 > >
 > >Keep up the good work!
 >
 > Pardon me for being the asshole now, how much I agree, but please,
 > PLEASE don't abuse the pr system like this.
 >
 > If you feel you need to congratulate the advocacy guys (whom we all
 > are in a sense) mail to advocacy@freebsd.org. You will reach them in
 > that way.
 >
 > If we start to dirty the PR system with stuff like this, we lose the
 > effectiveness of the PR system which is already a hell of a job to
 > maintain.
 >
 > Of course I speak from my own person, but I hope the others agree
 > with me on this one.
 >
 > --
 > Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai                  asmodai(at)wxs.nl
 > The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project <http://home.wxs.nl/~asmodai>
 > Network/Security Specialist        BSD: Technical excellence at its best
 > Haste makes waste.
 
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 Jeroen &amp; Steve, I'm with you. I've been managing software development
 projects for 15 years so I understand the importance of keeping a PR system
 clean. Nobody wants the metrics mucked up.
 <p>In fact, I actually set out this morning with the intent of sending
 E-Mail to the advocacy folks.
 <p>I wasn't certain of their E-Mail address. (In retrospect, I should've
 just tried Advocacy@FreeBSD.Org and let it bounce if I was wrong.)
 <p>I <a href="http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/search.cgi?words=advocacy&max=25&source=www">searched</a>
 hoping to find a list of mail aliases or something. Most of the hits that
 came back were RQN issues. No E-Mail alias were listed anywhere in the
 top ten hits. Send-pr.html was the number 3 hit. It seemed hard to imagine
 how "advocacy" would be a problem category taken as seriously as say "kern,"
 so I "abused" the PR system after 5 minutes of searching in vain.
 <p>I apologize.
 <p>But this sequence of events leaves me with some nagging questions
 <ol>
 <li>
 Does advocacy even belong on send-pr.html? What would be a reasonable problem
 to report in the advocacy category? Would you actually track it and close
 it?</li>
 
 <li>
 Why doesn't Advocacy@FreeBSD.Org show up in the top 10 search hits?</li>
 
 <li>
 What ever happened to the host Advocacy.FreeBSD.Org? (One of the search
 page hits lead there.)</li>
 
 <li>
 I can't be the only guy to've ever introduced a "noise" message into the
 PR system. Is there a systemic problem that makes it difficult to close
 a "noise" message and get on with it?</li>
 </ol>
 Thanks for your consideration.
 <p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Bob
 <p>Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote:
 <blockquote TYPE=CITE>[intentional submission to GNATS left for the archives
 ]
 <p>* Bob@WhiteBarn.com (Bob@WhiteBarn.com) [990917 19:28]:
 <br>>
 <br>>>Number:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 13790
 <br>>>Category:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; advocacy
 <br>>>Description:
 <br>>Not a problem--I just wanted to say kudos to the advocacy folks after
 <br>>noticing the Wall Street Journal and Boston Globe pieces recently.
 <br>>
 <br>>Keep up the good work!
 <p>Pardon me for being the asshole now, how much I agree, but please,
 <br>PLEASE don't abuse the pr system like this.
 <p>If you feel you need to congratulate the advocacy guys (whom we all
 <br>are in a sense) mail to advocacy@freebsd.org. You will reach them in
 <br>that way.
 <p>If we start to dirty the PR system with stuff like this, we lose the
 <br>effectiveness of the PR system which is already a hell of a job to
 <br>maintain.
 <p>Of course I speak from my own person, but I hope the others agree
 <br>with me on this one.
 <p>--
 <br>Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
 asmodai(at)wxs.nl
 <br>The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project &lt;<a href="http://home.wxs.nl/~asmodai">http://home.wxs.nl/~asmodai</a>>
 <br>Network/Security Specialist&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
 BSD: Technical excellence at its best
 <br>Haste makes waste.</blockquote>
 
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From: Steve Price <sprice@hiwaay.net>
To: Bob Van Valzah <Bob@whitebarn.com>
Cc: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai <asmodai@wxs.nl>,
	FreeBSD Gnats <freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org>
Subject: Re: advocacy/13790: Kudos for Recent Press
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:49:03 -0500 (CDT)

 On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Bob Van Valzah wrote:
 
 # But this sequence of events leaves me with some nagging questions
 # 
 #   1. Does advocacy even belong on send-pr.html? What would be a reasonable
 #      problem to report in the advocacy category? Would you actually track
 #      it and close it?
 
 I added the advocacy category to cover problems encountered with the
 WWW pages on advocacy.freebsd.org.  Don't know that it has proven to
 have been worhwhile since this site no longer exists.
 
 #   2. Why doesn't Advocacy@FreeBSD.Org show up in the top 10 search hits?
 
 Probably because it is a relatively new list and doesn't see the
 amount of traffic that the other lists do.
 
 #   3. What ever happened to the host Advocacy.FreeBSD.Org? (One of the
 #      search page hits lead there.)
 
 It has gone away and been replaced with http://freebsd.tesserae.com/
 among other sites, I believe.
 
 #   4. I can't be the only guy to've ever introduced a "noise" message into
 #      the PR system. Is there a systemic problem that makes it difficult to
 #      close a "noise" message and get on with it?
 
 Nope.  It took me about 30 seconds to close the PR and type in my
 reasoning behind it.  I have an account on the GNATS box so I closed
 it instead of Jeroen.  To the best of my knowledge he doesn't have
 an account yet, though he does the Project a tremendous service
 by drudging through the PR database looking for things to help out
 with.
 
 # Thanks for your consideration.
 
 Thank you.
 
 -steve
 
 #     Bob
 
 
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