Path: usenet.cise.ufl.edu!purdue!haven.umd.edu!hecate.umd.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kodak.com!news-nysernet-5.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!128.122.253.90!newsfeed.nyu.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.Stanford.EDU!news.isc.org!bounce-back From: mcq@best.com (Rebecca McQuitty) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.lang.perl.misc,comp.lang.perl.announce Subject: CFV: comp.lang.perl.moderated moderated Followup-To: poster Message-ID: <897448637.29761@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Expires: 2 Jul 1998 00:00:00 GMT Archive-Name: comp.lang.perl.moderated Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 03:17:18 GMT Lines: 212 Xref: usenet.cise.ufl.edu news.announce.newgroups:378 news.groups:15012 comp.lang.perl.misc:19286 comp.lang.perl.announce:75 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) moderated group comp.lang.perl.moderated Usenet readers may now vote on the proposed worldwide newsgroup comp.lang.perl.moderated. This CFV contains information about both the voting process and the proposed group; please read the entire CFV before voting. Only the votetaker is authorized to distribute this CFV. Do not post it to any newsgroup, mail it to any person or mailing list, or place it on the World Wide Web. Ballots or CFVs provided by anyone except the votetaker will be invalid. Newsgroups line: comp.lang.perl.moderated Perl language. (Moderated) Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 1 Jul 1998. A neutral, third-party volunteer is conducting this vote. Direct questions about the vote to the votetaker, and questions about the proposed group to the proponents. Proponent: Mark-Jason Dominus Proponent: Chip Salzenberg Votetaker: Rebecca McQuitty RATIONALE: comp.lang.perl.moderated The comp.lang.perl.misc group presently has very high traffic: typically about 250 articles per day. Much of this traffic is given over to people asking off-topic questions, and questions answered in the FAQ. In these circumstances, a number of regular posters to the group have stopped reading comp.lang.perl.misc, while new readers can find it difficult to find relevant posts. The result is reduced usefulness of the existing comp.lang.perl.misc newsgroup. This comp.lang.perl.moderated group is proposed as high signal-to-noise group where readers will not be subjected to the types of articles described above. The intention is to provide a useful resource for inexperienced Perl programmers and to attract and retain experienced programmers who can make a substantial contribution to the group. Comp.lang.perl.misc would still be left in place for more general discussion, and for those topics that no one seems to agree on a place for. CHARTER: comp.lang.perl.moderated The purpose of comp.lang.perl.moderated is to provide a forum for discussion of matters related to the Perl programming language. Comp.lang.perl.moderated is a moderated news group for discussion of common Perl programming issues. Welcomed topics of discussion will include any topic directly related to the Perl programming language. The moderators will decide which posts are of general interest to the worldwide Perl community. The moderators are free to reject any post which is covered by the comp.lang.perl FAQ(s) or which is more appropriate to another Usenet discussion group. Obvious homework problems and trivial questions that can be answered by quick inspection of the on-line documentation or any Perl text may also be considered off-topic. Very broad questions which could equally apply to any computer programming language may also be considered off-topic by the moderators. Advocacy and "flame wars" about Perl will be considered off-topic. Articles should be formatted so as to be easily readable by any Usenet reader. Badly formatted or munged articles and articles in violation of the standard principles of netiquette may be rejected by the moderators. Overall, the moderators will lean towards accepting articles. All posters to the group must be registered. Submissions from registered posters will be forwarded to a moderator, who will post it to the group if it is appropriate. Inappropriate articles will be returned to the poster when possible, with an explanation of why the article was rejected. No attempt will be made to verify the validity of the poster's address, and bounces will be discarded. If feasible, some mechanism will be provided for users to post under false addresses until some better solution to the spamming problem appears. Articles from first-time posters will be held temporarily. The poster will be sent registration instructions, the group charter, and pointers to relevant references. After the poster registers, the held article will be forwarded to the moderation panel as usual. No commercial posts of any sort will be allowed in the group. The moderation panel will always consist of at least six members. New moderators may be appointed, and old ones removed, by a two-thirds majority vote of the moderation panel. Any article submitted by a member of the moderation panel outside the exercise of his or her administrative role will be subject to the full moderation procedure described herein. The moderation panel may implement any technical solutions it considers necessary to enforce the provisions of this charter. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.lang.perl.moderated Moderator: Russ Allbery Moderator: Greg Bacon Moderator: Hildo Biersma Moderator: Mark-Jason Dominus Moderator: Eric Eisenhart Moderator: "M.J.T. Guy" Moderator: Tad McClellan Moderator: Chris Nandor Moderator: "Nathan V. Patwardhan" Moderator: "Stephen P. Potter" Moderator: Stephen Zander Administrative contact address: mjd-clpm-admin@plover.com Article submission address: mjd-clpm-submit@plover.com END MODERATOR INFO. 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Voter name: [Your Vote] Group (Place your vote in the empty brackets below.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [ ] comp.lang.perl.moderated ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -=-=-=-=-=-END OF BALLOT: Delete Everything After This Line-=-=-=-=-=- DISTRIBUTION: This CFV has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups news.groups comp.lang.perl.announce comp.lang.perl.misc Pointers directing readers to this CFV will be posted in the newsgroup comp.lang.perl.modules and on the perl5-porters mailing list. The CFV is also available by e-mail from the votetaker. -- Rebecca Graham McQuitty Member, Usenet Volunteer Votetakers .