Posts by thorthenorseman@octodon.social
(DIR) Post #9g5m07JT7UTMJh82C0 by thorthenorseman@octodon.social
2019-02-22T11:52:03Z
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@karen Yes, and inheritance, but don't tell anyone.
(DIR) Post #9g5mn3kf9KyVSdBanw by thorthenorseman@octodon.social
2019-02-22T12:00:30Z
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@karen OOP is a tad overrated. You can write quite complex programs without inheritance. Assigning methods to types has benefits in terms of convenience, readability and structure, but my feeling is that inheritance, the main trait of OOP, isn't actually that important. If you're using a statically typed language, shared interfaces between types are probably better, since they don't force you to think about hierarchies.
(DIR) Post #9g5nf65Ogc4WL2eSDg by thorthenorseman@octodon.social
2019-02-22T12:10:15Z
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@karen OOP was conceived by a Norwegian computer scientist who needed a language for simulation. He devised Simula, with OOP objects as stand-ins for physical objects. If you're, say, programming a physics engine for a video game, a hierarchy of objects makes a lot of sense, since many physical objects have shared behaviours.
(DIR) Post #9g5nveqhCrXOmqfiO8 by thorthenorseman@octodon.social
2019-02-22T12:13:20Z
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@karen It makes less sense in contexts where behaviours and traits are rarely shared between types in a top-down fashion. Most business logic is just a collection of unique data structures and behaviours with little in common. In such code, you often end up with a Russian doll pattern: Many relatively hollow classes inheriting from each other, and as a programmer, you're always hunting around to find the bit that does the thing you need to change.
(DIR) Post #9g6dCxL0oUfKiMrFCa by thorthenorseman@octodon.social
2019-02-22T21:43:05Z
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noagendasocial.com is apparently weird about security. I mean, shutting down for several days due to wait for an obscure OS vulnerability to get patched upstream? I did not expect that. The rest of the Fediverse didn't shut down for it, so I don't get it at all. It was my primary instance and I only really maintain one Fediverse account at any given time.@adam: Can you shed some light on the thinking behind this when the instance is back up again?
(DIR) Post #9gE5LJ2ATvc54gfJ6e by thorthenorseman@octodon.social
2019-02-26T12:02:11Z
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I don't know what the situation is in other countries, but in Norway, hospitals really don't give a shit about the next of kin.They have this very neatly divided system where the nurses carry out all the direct care and deal with the next of kin, and the next of kin must leave the room when it's time for the doctor to see the patient.What I have learned about nurses in the past couple of weeks is that they don't really know anything, despite their college education.
(DIR) Post #9gE5kHRtVnzDOkbi7c by thorthenorseman@octodon.social
2019-02-26T12:07:05Z
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What nurses can tell you is what they've seen and heard, and details pertaining to the day-to-day care of the patient, for example blood pressure and medications. What they can't tell you is anything about medical procedures, anatomy or prognoses, which is exactly the sort of information you want as the next of kin. You want to talk to the doctor, basically. I had perhaps expected more out of nurses in 2019, but they're not more competent than their 1950s counterparts in the ways that matter.
(DIR) Post #9gE5mo5J90CpCAFODI by thorthenorseman@octodon.social
2019-02-26T12:10:32Z
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There seems to be a strong attitude embedded in the system that nothing must come between the doctor and the patient. This sounds like a positive statement, but what it actually means is that doctors don't feel obligated to give information to the next of kin, because they take that as "getting between" them and the patient. The only sense in which that is true is in terms of time slots. I don't have a right to interfere anyway. All I want is information.
(DIR) Post #9gE6MBafk3KwEUmu48 by thorthenorseman@octodon.social
2019-02-26T12:13:49Z
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To take a ridiculous example of how little they tell the next of kin: They told us they'd move my mother to a facility up north in the days ahead, but couldn't say when, because they needed to wait for air transport first. Fine. However, they then went ahead and transported her yesterday without notifying us. We only learned it a day later when dad called them. To me, it seems like madness that the next of kin doesn't even know where the patient is.
(DIR) Post #9gE6OX80dV9xbsV4eu by thorthenorseman@octodon.social
2019-02-26T12:17:00Z
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@clacke What always gets me is how strong the disagreements between doctors in different countries can be. In the computer industry, practices don't vary much, because computers are computers. Humans are supposedly also more or less the same wherever in the world you are, yet clinical practices vary according to local beliefs and traditions. This is somewhat worrying.
(DIR) Post #9gE70dlMPu61Bv4qvI by thorthenorseman@octodon.social
2019-02-26T12:19:39Z
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@clacke Another thing that worried me was to sit in the waiting room of the hospital and come across a brochure for some very dubious nutritional supplements, complete with a 60 day money-back guarantee. A waiting room for the intensive care ward, where people are at their most vulnerable. It actually pissed me off to see it there. Is that how careless they are with what they show to hospital visitors? Doesn't incite great confidence in their powers of judgement.
(DIR) Post #9gE70dxPh5jlnIiTi4 by thorthenorseman@octodon.social
2019-02-26T12:22:02Z
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@clacke Doctors, especially surgeons, are very strange people. They're there to treat patients, but they're often strangely cold people. As my dad says, though, you can't be emotional when your job is to cut people with a knife...
(DIR) Post #9gE7ykG1OoXui04x0q by thorthenorseman@octodon.social
2019-02-26T12:28:34Z
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@clacke It of course depends on what version of computing you look at. There's the code monkey version where everything's gut feelings and trial and error, and then there's computer science (informatikk) which is more of an academic discipline. I suspect the same thing exists in medicine. You just sort of expect there to be less tolerance for that sort of thing in medicine, since human lives are involved, but maybe not.
(DIR) Post #9gE7ykTqZPbZOsXzYu by thorthenorseman@octodon.social
2019-02-26T12:31:57Z
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@clacke I mean, there are many cases where a doctor won't know a thing for sure and make decisions based on prior experience and gut feeling. They may see symptoms in a patient but are reluctant to run further tests, because his experience tells him that 99 times out of 100, it's nothing... From the patient's perspective, this is unsettling, and can also be lethal, if you actually are that 1 in 100 patient.
(DIR) Post #9gE84s2hMpg6ailg0G by thorthenorseman@octodon.social
2019-02-26T12:33:28Z
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@clacke I mean, how often have you ignored a problem in a computer system because it didn't cause much trouble, only to later discover that the problem was serious and urgent? Happens all the time. Why? Because performing the detailed checks and tests necessary to pick up on such things early is too much of a hassle. In a professional setting, hassle equals expense, and the same is true of medicine.
(DIR) Post #9gE8fdyGeCrzfEEKdk by thorthenorseman@octodon.social
2019-02-26T12:36:20Z
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@clacke The best way of detecting many medical issues early is to perform regular CAT or MRI scans on people, for example, but this would be prohibitively expensive and would overload the hospitals. So, you're left with visual/manual inspection, intuition and blood tests as the main diagnostic tools, and they're often insufficient.
(DIR) Post #9j6ryWbjU294Ycp5ai by thorthenorseman@octodon.social
2018-10-15T06:28:45Z
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@clacke Jeg tror ikke vi kan påstå at rasisme var fremmed for nordmenn før krigen: https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenikk#Rasehygiene_i_Norge
(DIR) Post #9j6rz8CBjSI78PAE3E by thorthenorseman@octodon.social
2018-10-15T06:25:01Z
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@clacke Ah, språkbarriere.
(DIR) Post #9j6rz8IZLjOZSC9Jzs by thorthenorseman@octodon.social
2018-10-15T06:26:37Z
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@clacke Det var mitt eget tillegg.Ja, dette er et punkt der nordmenn og svensker også skiller seg: Nordmenn forstår svensk bedre enn svensker forstår norsk. Det skal være gjort undersøkelser som viser dette.
(DIR) Post #9j6vI8PnRLEhBDHYqu by thorthenorseman@octodon.social
2018-10-13T13:19:02Z
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Also, there's about a dozen articles about how "hot" the dad from Inside Out is...