Posts by pj@qoto.org
(DIR) Post #AUToUNLKfaU0TwVunw by pj@qoto.org
2023-04-09T15:38:08Z
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@freemoI’m talking about airplane engineering safety which I happen to know a little about.Airplanes, are statistically speaking, the safest mode of transportation. More people die in bus and car accidents than in airplanes and that is not by chance. It is because we’ve put some effort into making them safer.According to you we should have gotten our priorities straight and fixed the buses first.
(DIR) Post #AUTp0JA7kVzymYUvE8 by pj@qoto.org
2023-04-09T15:43:54Z
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@freemoOh, it can.Try downloading child porn or other shit and look how fast it will be denied.@thatguyoverthere @mike805 @lmrocha
(DIR) Post #AUTqVyZPwfeI8bzcMi by pj@qoto.org
2023-04-09T16:00:50Z
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@freemo Same answer as to @thatguyoverthere@mike805 @lmrocha
(DIR) Post #AUTqbRQG6Ikb4NJaee by pj@qoto.org
2023-04-09T15:55:07Z
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@thatguyoverthereYes. you can do it all by yourself, but you need an ISP to access the Net, don't you?@mike805 @freemo @lmrocha
(DIR) Post #AUTqhgQJEzjvKbJaxk by pj@qoto.org
2023-04-09T15:58:48Z
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@thatguyoverthere Attacking a person is in this analogy akin to physically harming a child as opposed to "just" downloading child porn.Ideally, you would want to prevent evil or sick people to harm anyone.@mike805 @freemo @lmrocha
(DIR) Post #AUTrFrbw9V75sI3ImG by pj@qoto.org
2023-04-09T16:03:26Z
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@thatguyoverthere No, but your ISP always knows who you are.@mike805 @freemo @lmrocha
(DIR) Post #AUTrsd5o43pK8nVaSG by pj@qoto.org
2023-04-09T16:16:09Z
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@freemoThe problem is that you don't need a gun shop to buy a gun or the shop doesn't care who they sell their guns to.This is the same as if you could access the internet from your computer without an ISP. Imagine what a shitshow the Internet would be then compared to what it is already is now.If you could only buy a gun from a gun shop, I believe more than half of all the problems we have now with gun violence would go away. @thatguyoverthere @mike805 @lmrocha
(DIR) Post #AUTrxPNQUFnb3A1q0u by pj@qoto.org
2023-04-09T16:16:59Z
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@freemoBuy how, in cash? @thatguyoverthere @mike805 @lmrocha
(DIR) Post #AUTsEM5LygpPlSekG8 by pj@qoto.org
2023-04-09T16:20:03Z
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@freemoYes, I've said it is not the same. @thatguyoverthere @mike805 @lmrocha
(DIR) Post #AUTwKdpXJc3cLyVjTU by pj@qoto.org
2023-04-09T17:06:00Z
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@freemoYes. That would be a good start. My suggestion was though to try seeing things from a larger perspective.I believe that one of the problems is that too many individuals are #alienated from their immediate local (physical) #community while fulfilling their "communal needs" primarily with strangers over the Internet except for #Work and maybe #Church, which is obviously not enough, and sometimes even adds to further alienation.I think people should be free (or even encouraged) to form their own local societies with real people they get to know because of things they feel strongly about, and guns seemed like one such catalyst to increase the number of "good guys" and minimize the harm done by "bad guys" with guns.@thatguyoverthere @mike805 @lmrocha
(DIR) Post #AUTy8OfW3m8HlQ74LI by pj@qoto.org
2023-04-09T17:20:46Z
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@freemo @thatguyoverthere @mike805 @lmrochaOne more thought about the analogy between ISPs and gun clubs with regard to privacy, and then I'll shut up.Long ago, I received a letter from my ISP that they got a request from an entertainment company to get my ID because they want to sue me for downloading one of their pirated series from somewhere (which I did). They were just informing me of that fact and that they won't comply with the request if I stopped.Well, I'm not downloading anymore (streaming is better) and even if I moved a couple of times, I'm still with the same ISP.So being a member of a good club (who knows who you are) sometimes also means you can protect your #privacy better.
(DIR) Post #AUTzyMCQaLMH7Oqc0e by pj@qoto.org
2023-04-09T17:46:48Z
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@freemoNo worries. The “shut up” part was a figure of speech😀. Many tried, unsuccessfully.“legal requirement” vs. “strong suggestion”? I can work with that as long as it minimizes the chances of “bad guys” legally getting their hands on guns (e.g. more than a dozen AR-15s)Specifically:1) Not if being part of a club, who is a member of the NRA means you are more protected than as an isolated individual.2) If you need to arm the victim to protect themselves from being raped by someone they have a restraining order on, that order and the agency that issued it is worth as much as the paper the order is written on.3) See 1) @thatguyoverthere @mike805 @lmrocha
(DIR) Post #AUUCryzVG9o0nz5pNQ by pj@qoto.org
2023-04-09T20:11:16Z
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@freemoYes. That’s exactly my point.You should be, as an individual, protected from being killed, raped, or prevented to use a gun for legitimate reasons, but in this imperfect world you are not, so joining a group or club or some other kind of people’s #system gives you more protection than if you are facing all of that alone. In some way, these community-sanctioned associations can become a replacement for gangs.I think this applies to 2) as well. Instead of just shoving a gun into the victim’s hands and calling it done, set up a women’s shelter or some other safe community place they can use, or get a GPS tracker on the bozo. Yes, it will violate his human rights and hurt his feelings, but who cares.@thatguyoverthere @mike805 @lmrocha
(DIR) Post #AUUDx7uTcuMnrvl60m by pj@qoto.org
2023-04-09T20:23:26Z
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@freemoOh, there are plenty of countries like that. I believe you are in one right now. Didn’t bring a gun with you, did you? @thatguyoverthere @mike805 @lmrocha
(DIR) Post #AUZ29l2jjEP53Og71M by pj@qoto.org
2023-04-12T02:59:23Z
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@mike805 @admitsWrongIfProven @freemo @thatguyoverthere @lmrochaThe proponents of “guns for all” cite two reasons as far as I can understand:1️⃣ Protection from violent individuals with or without guns, and2️⃣ Protection from a rogue government that wants to take your guns.In the first case, the regulation of gun ownership is not an issue, while in the second it is irrelevant because you are already in the middle of a civil war and, one way or another, you’ll find or be given a gun soon.
(DIR) Post #AUZ29mFXF8EenNfqbo by pj@qoto.org
2023-04-12T03:13:24Z
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@admitsWrongIfProvenIt was was “triggered” by @mike805 mention of “extreme cases” needing guns and the example of Switzerland where (if understand that correctly) each canton (state) has its own “well-regulated militia” (or was so in the past?) not sure.Anyway, responding to nothing in particular. Just a general observation, as having a gun registry seems to be a big issue in the US.@freemo @thatguyoverthere @lmrocha
(DIR) Post #AUa08E9qVKtY1Q6dGq by pj@qoto.org
2023-04-12T15:16:52Z
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@freemo @thatguyoverthere Yes, a little bit of an agitated reaction from @admitsWrongIfProven but nothing so overblown or any major excalation as the two of you are presenting it.And you may agree that a heavily armed person with unresolved issues and no social support or interactions is a very scarry proposition.@mike805 @lmrocha
(DIR) Post #AUaINHf1YrsmP91D9s by pj@qoto.org
2023-04-12T18:41:17Z
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@freemo @thatguyoverthere @admitsWrongIfProven @mike805 @lmrochaWhy do you think it's a bad faith argument?
(DIR) Post #AUaLWCgdius1Rlidzk by pj@qoto.org
2023-04-12T18:39:09Z
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@thatguyoverthereYou obviously never heard of sarcasm. That's what I was using (in the context of the discussion) while "standing my ground" after your rather bullyish suggestion I should "move on". @mike805 @admitsWrongIfProven @freemo @lmrocha
(DIR) Post #AUueAGkQrMjqudQtjU by pj@qoto.org
2023-04-02T05:48:46Z
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@rrb @freemo @DutyBardFrom everything (not much) that I was able to find on the topic, this one seems like a pretty decent, leveled accounting of the matter:https://www.thetrace.org/2022/06/defensive-gun-use-data-good-guys-with-guns/