Posts by hansw@mastodon.social
(DIR) Post #A3bn79FCZjQhyhM0yu by hansw@mastodon.social
2021-01-25T21:33:54Z
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@freemo But.... what if the lower income does not provide a level in which people can rent/buy a house or feed their children?Germany hardly hires underqualified people afaik. They do know a lot of people without a roof over their head.
(DIR) Post #A3bo9zMzqOHKAzv0FM by hansw@mastodon.social
2021-01-25T21:45:34Z
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@freemo At least we now have some insight in how that might work in your opinion.Countries like Germany and the Netherlands are more or less doing what you state. If people get educated they will be able to have a job. Point is that the educational level is often so low it will still not bring them what they need. That still leaves a number of people somewhere in the middle. Those who are simply not clever enough. What do we do with such people?
(DIR) Post #A3cWWYTqNffVQJgxc0 by hansw@mastodon.social
2021-01-26T06:02:42Z
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@freemo my point in this is that the lower paying jobs are the ones where physical skills are taking those jobs but are not able to provide a living for their family.
(DIR) Post #A3dm6rlVqlCG88glbU by hansw@mastodon.social
2021-01-26T14:27:26Z
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@bloodmasked Are you always this idiot in reponding? Since that is retarded. Please join a discussion in a normal attitude.@freemo
(DIR) Post #A3dpkUmb195AITmex6 by hansw@mastodon.social
2021-01-26T21:12:54Z
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@freemo from an economic point I fully understand you. Problem remains that a lot of people are simply not able to educate themselves. They stay behind and will, together with some 3 percent of the countries population not benefit from it.
(DIR) Post #A3dqQ2cO7hWz6mosgC by hansw@mastodon.social
2021-01-26T21:20:18Z
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@freemo assumptions imho. You are not able to pinpoint it for every-one imho. We seem to hit the point I wanted to ask but never did:<quote>Almost everyone, short of having some disease or medical condition is capable of learning some profitable skill, whether it is intellectual or a non-intellectual skill.</>The lazy indeed should look after themselves but I think you underestimated the group of people who are disabled or having a health problems that does not allow them to work.
(DIR) Post #A3dr8PJj5eCQFYFK1g by hansw@mastodon.social
2021-01-26T21:28:28Z
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@freemo Almost, a slight difference thoughI know this friend who has lung cancer type 4. He was a software engineer who loved the job. Chemo fried his brain and if he has a good day he only sits on the couch, walks the dog, looks at some code and is lost in 15 minutes. Keep in mind, this was his daytime job. Shall I explain his bad day?
(DIR) Post #A3drXoRennNfQF4OYK by hansw@mastodon.social
2021-01-26T21:33:01Z
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@freemo True, this person is not able to work.Now keep in mind that 1 in 3 people currently are expected to get this sick in all the variants of cancer. 1 in 3!!!Ihmo your vision on this is a pure economic one.
(DIR) Post #A3ds6TTOlcfiVxPd7g by hansw@mastodon.social
2021-01-26T21:39:17Z
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@freemo It is a very simple mechanism. If a person is able to spend time at home, educating his/her kids, get involved in local activities, etc.. then this pays of by having more happy and informed people. If a person needs to take on 2 jobs at least to even make sure their family is able to house the family, pay for its dinners and be able to buy them something funny then we wind up in a stress level that turns red soon. Again, imho your view is purely economic.
(DIR) Post #A3dsv6tUTXgLFslI5w by hansw@mastodon.social
2021-01-26T21:48:28Z
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@freemo I am not ignoring these facts. I even agree that taking 2 jobs might even save their ass. Fact is that this would only put a pressure on people that has downsides. B.t.w., I never told the person to stop working, I only wish he/her can do it with one job so they are able to care for their families in a mental way too.Again, not talking about me or a lot of other people who where able to provide this to their family.
(DIR) Post #A3dtIpITYJ7Fd3l07s by hansw@mastodon.social
2021-01-26T21:52:45Z
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@freemo stating this is not a reality sounds harsch. I already explained what can also be done. Real life example from Germany. This friend of my Son is working as a hairdresser. She works her ass of and got some 450 euro per month. She needed to pay insurance herself.Now they introduced a minimum wage she is able to contribute to they way they live (renting a house, giving her kids healthy food).... This is a perfect example.
(DIR) Post #A3dtXv7WBSVQ27pSzo by hansw@mastodon.social
2021-01-26T21:54:54Z
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@freemo True, You did not state they needed 2 jobs. Bare reality shows that they do need them to simply be able to have a roof over their head. This will not change if minimum wages are declined.
(DIR) Post #A3dtiHO2FjBPzGUisC by hansw@mastodon.social
2021-01-26T21:57:19Z
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@freemo What you are referring to is giving jobs in a communist way. tell people to this and that and let them do idiot things. Consider this lady friend who uses the extra time she has to learn a language, to learn new techniques, etc... That will improve her life. I know she would not be able to before minimum wage was mandetory.
(DIR) Post #A3dtoxCJiHnjOoCD5M by hansw@mastodon.social
2021-01-26T21:58:32Z
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@freemo I think we disagree. No problem. I just look at other sides that might be important too.
(DIR) Post #A3dubkBsrTrBFSG4sy by hansw@mastodon.social
2021-01-26T22:07:16Z
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@freemo True, people who are lazy should make a huge effort to do something for the society. Free learning is nice too. There are however people who are aegor to get a good job but simply are not able to learn (in general). In your example these people have bad luck. This is why a minimum wage is mandetory. They will have a hard time since this is very low. Simply stated, there will be a lot of people having bad luck, the past proved it here in Germany
(DIR) Post #A3duw7ebKsHRoGPLUm by hansw@mastodon.social
2021-01-26T22:11:00Z
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@freemo You know I value these discussions, otherwise I would not participate in them 🙂 My point is just that I have seen enough things going bad when a minimum wage is not mandatory. UBI is a different thing. Let's not introduce this now :-)
(DIR) Post #A3dvbS1uU1DksT18WO by hansw@mastodon.social
2021-01-26T22:18:31Z
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@freemo Free education would be valued a lot by people I think. I was not aware you thought I was seperating issues into parts. I tried to explain that I see things go bad when a minimum wage is not in place.
(DIR) Post #A3dvsmMy78DYsn87SC by hansw@mastodon.social
2021-01-26T22:21:41Z
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@freemo UhmmMy point is just that I have seen enough things going bad when a minimum wage is **not** mandatory.That is what I wrote. And no, there was no education either.
(DIR) Post #A3dwoB9Cf8u0Ej3sbw by hansw@mastodon.social
2021-01-26T22:32:02Z
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@freemo Might be true. Then again, I have seen enough to think that is not true. We can discuss this over and over but the fact remains that educating will cost a lot too (people on welfare are not able to hire education or are bound to rules (netherlands))I was the so called wise nose. The one who was triggered and I have done it myself. So yes, I know it works. But I also see the faults in this plan.
(DIR) Post #A3hxnes9XNayiwF39U by hansw@mastodon.social
2021-01-28T21:01:12Z
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@freemo I did not know any Italian but did he ask her about farts? 🙂