Posts by gatesvp@mstdn.ca
(DIR) Post #AVVo12NBbmaogCbRJY by gatesvp@mstdn.ca
2023-05-08T21:13:52Z
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@davidslifka @supernovae @damonoutlaw @mekkaokereke @atomicpoet It feels like the common thread in all of this is moderation. It seems like PoC need a server that isn't managed by white folks. Because they're not going to get the moderation outcomes they deserve from people who don't share their experiences.What would it look like to have some full-time black mods running some instances? Would that be useful?
(DIR) Post #AVWl84x8JGco0H2i3M by gatesvp@mstdn.ca
2023-05-10T22:20:22Z
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@rodhilton just starting the countdown until we get the first employment discrimination settlement that includes a generated email.The writer, rightfully claiming that they did not in fact, type the words. The reader, displaying the AI shortened message, based on some admin configuration.
(DIR) Post #AVWshcPiarjlazJ5jE by gatesvp@mstdn.ca
2023-05-11T00:59:12Z
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@Marvin @rodhilton I think these are really good examples and that you might not be into the details enough.For example, a self-driving car will not be involved in zero accidents. Zero is not the metric of success for mechanical things. Or even for software.And we don't typically hold companies liable for things that are operating within regulatory specification.The HR stuff is even messier. Because it actually highlights giant regulatory problem... /1
(DIR) Post #AVWtmQ7ro6Yst4oJxQ by gatesvp@mstdn.ca
2023-05-11T01:02:01Z
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@Marvin @rodhilton our current laws only protect outcomes based on input characteristics. Using AI tools as a shield allows companies to produce terrible outcomes, but claim that they are not responsible by pointing to the inputs.So we're driving a giant truck through a huge hole in our laws and just letting it run over people for no particularly good reason.Don't you think we can do better?//
(DIR) Post #AVXCsmhEhZftks6Pj6 by gatesvp@mstdn.ca
2023-05-11T04:43:53Z
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@Marvin @rodhilton Legal standards are invented by humans like you and I. If you were tasked with creating such a standard, what would you want see in it?How would you write this to be "inclusive of AI"?
(DIR) Post #AVXH5H401TvlEExdOC by gatesvp@mstdn.ca
2023-05-11T05:00:00Z
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@Marvin @rodhilton What legal standard?Basically every standard falls to a regulatory body. Implementation literally falls to the State level in the US. The laws use vague words like "as expected by a reasonable consumer".https://www.findlaw.com/injury/product-liability/what-is-product-liability.htmlSo if you're responsible for deciding "reasonable consumer" regulations for AI cars. What are you deciding? Remember, this rule doesn't exist today. You get to make it up.
(DIR) Post #AVXH7X2la287MxScu8 by gatesvp@mstdn.ca
2023-05-11T04:51:34Z
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@Marvin @rodhilton Except things like LLMs can't in fact fire based on performance metrics. If they did that, it would be an algorithm, not some "AI" or model.And they can't generate performance metrics because those metrics would be literal BS.So you're painting a weird universe of things that don't really exist here.
(DIR) Post #AVYty0tnoYBORGgDnU by gatesvp@mstdn.ca
2023-05-11T22:56:20Z
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@Marvin @rodhilton So we've gone back and forth discussing weird legal technical details.What you haven't contributed is the simplest question. What rules do you want to govern this?I would even accept an example of a bad thing happening that was okay and a bad thing happening that was bad.Do you have any of these? Or are you just posturing?
(DIR) Post #AVaAdMd9iNHK8SaowC by gatesvp@mstdn.ca
2023-05-12T02:15:49Z
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@Marvin @rodhilton So let's drill into Rod's example.If your AI chooses who to fire and it turns out to be a bunch of protected class employees, who gets sued? The employer or the builder of LayoffBot?Who's the liable party?It can't be the employer, they outsourced the decision to LayoffBot who granted them indemnity.It can't be LayoffBot because "they don't ingest information about protected classes".We don't measure outcomes only inputs...
(DIR) Post #AVaAdNdBzitzErcMdM by gatesvp@mstdn.ca
2023-05-12T02:22:32Z
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@Marvin @rodhiltonIn a normal case, we would subpoena the code and go to the algorithm. We would analyze the code to figure out why it is making decisions the way it is and then we make a decision on whether or not the code is defective.To me, the machine learning solutions are novel because you can't really analyze the code in that way. You may not even be able to repro the results.To me this is new territory. Do other companies commonly do this? //
(DIR) Post #AVap6MEyExm3URf16W by gatesvp@mstdn.ca
2023-05-12T16:17:22Z
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@Marvin @rodhilton so I think I'm starting to see the gap in our discussion.Neither of the examples you have given are the things that an AI layoff bot would do. If you were going to perform layoffs based purely on TPS reports, that would be an algorithm, not an AI.The current batch of layoff bots are promising to analyze every digital interaction you've had on a company account. And then produce a "performance management" list without need for TPS reports...
(DIR) Post #AVap6N9gq590KMCJVo by gatesvp@mstdn.ca
2023-05-12T16:22:44Z
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@Marvin @rodhilton Because the technology is unregulated and wildly misunderstood, all the "reasonable person" defenses fall down.Can this all be sorted out in court in the future? Sure. But that court date could be decades in the future after millions and millions of people are hurt.In my world, I would like to see some of those damages pre-empted. Doesn't that sound better?
(DIR) Post #AVcN0RwHjOxZ1gEcXQ by gatesvp@mstdn.ca
2023-05-10T22:15:25Z
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@raphael_fl @rodhilton Right here.
(DIR) Post #AWHrEofmN6pGpQziIS by gatesvp@mstdn.ca
2023-06-02T16:55:44Z
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@clive Relevant comic here
(DIR) Post #AZ7EcUp0NfwBZXFlU8 by gatesvp@mstdn.ca
2023-08-26T07:32:12Z
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@clive I recently did a talk at an IT institute about career progressions and paths through the industry. When the typical questions about programming languages and tools came up, I answered with "Excel and spreadsheets".👨🔬: "Every tool or piece of software you develop has to at least be better than a spreadsheet implementation. Otherwise, just deliver the spreadsheet and call it done." 😄That usually catches people off guard.
(DIR) Post #AbtKoGpzNCa6yOdP5U by gatesvp@mstdn.ca
2023-11-17T03:08:20Z
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@kravietz @w7voa I mean calling them "humanitarian leaders" in double quotes seems unfair given the signatory list. Who else would you want to see on this list in order to just call them humanitarian leaders?Likewise, you can actually read the entire statement. It's not long. It doesn't call out any of the parties specifically, it simply says "all parties".Don't you think that's a reasonable request?
(DIR) Post #AcNWiTgfiH4xHS4vzM by gatesvp@mstdn.ca
2023-12-01T21:39:36Z
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@Dogzilla @minogully You are correct, we do have non-human persons.Do you know any corporations that have university degrees? No, because that's not a thing we do.We do have some certifications that we grant corporations, but there's a whole loop of payment and testing and training and verification that happens.That payment thing is actually one of the first hurdles we're encountering. OpenAI seems to have read everyone's books but doesn't have any evidence that it bought them. /1
(DIR) Post #AcNWiUTamOD7jAy0Ey by gatesvp@mstdn.ca
2023-12-01T21:46:52Z
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@Dogzilla @minogullyThere's a lawsuit happening over this issue right now.If OpenAI at least had receipts for author's books, then they could claim that they were doing the same thing as humans have the right to do. But they haven't even met that bar yet.We don't even need to get into a human versus not human discussion here. The LLM tools have not proven that they've met even the basic requirements for the legal protections they should have. //
(DIR) Post #Act27YmL32vwsXU728 by gatesvp@mstdn.ca
2023-12-16T22:11:35Z
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@bloorDennisJasonSquirrelAll building blocks of the web.
(DIR) Post #Ad9yAkpTMBuPxmRRtw by gatesvp@mstdn.ca
2023-12-25T06:40:23Z
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@clive laughing so much, than you for all of this.