Posts by chedieck@video.qoto.org
(DIR) Post #AI9PpByanRsqRKwq8m by chedieck@video.qoto.org
2022-04-05T21:02:20.200Z
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You're wrong here, Luke.For something to be called an addiction, it may be sufficient — but is not necessary — that it induces the type of behavior you described, cold turkey, shakes, etc.You can think of "gambling addiction" or "marijuana addiction" (I myself have been addicted to marijuana for over 5 years, and upon finally stopping I suffered no cold turkey whatsoever).Don't you think cigarettes are addictive? But take a look at Allen Carr's "The Easy Way to Stop Smoking" book: he was a chain smoker for over 15 years and, upon stopping, felt no withdrawal symptoms whatsoever. Are cigarettes "just a habit" then?You are also subestimating the power that porn & cigarettes, for example, have as a drug. Porn is something that brings no good at all and causes TONS of harm, if you think that 99% of men use it because they are weak willed, you are simply being arrogant. They use because they are addicted, and yes, addiction makes us come up with various lies to justify our behavior. They will lie to themselves saying they will use because of stress, or this, or that, and those are all lies — they use because they are addicted. It's the amygdala spawning false thoughs to get the dopamine fix it craves. Smokers will do the same.You are also dismissing addicts' problems with your strawman of somebody who accepts no responsibility, which really goes to show how little you understand about the subject. Addicts will cover themselves in shame, precisely because they feel responsible (when I was a porn user, for example, there were times I would flag myself with a belt to reprehend and take responsibility for what I did). This shame is useless, it increases fear and fear is what keeps addicts trapped — heck, even twelve steps recovery have its root on accepting that you can't stop by your own, check steps 3 and 7. It goes on the assumption that you have to have the humility to see that you addiction is not something under your control: that's why you can't moderate it — of course, you shouldn't want that because there are no benefits — but you wouldn't be able to do it anyway.Dismissing anything that doesn't make you shake upon quitting it as "just a habit" that "irresponsible" people use is simply arrogant. It's wonderful that you don't suffer from any of these addictions (and not from any addiction at all, for what I could grasp from your video), that shows that you are have very concrete, non-negotiable values. But please, if you want to help people (which I am absolutely sure you do), have more humility. Consider that you may not understand why people act as they do. Don't see as if ignoring Satan is simple and that we should mock those who listen to him as dumb or malevolent people, they are victims. We all have the power to follow the path of God, and we should do our best to take those deviate from it by the hand and show how this path is better in every way.PS: estev.in/anti-porn.html for those struggling with porn addiction.
(DIR) Post #AI9k1yNKfr156ZtLHM by chedieck@video.qoto.org
2022-04-06T00:48:45.720Z
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@zoraster> saying that "they" can't help themselves or that they are held back by institutions or whatever ― you are saying that they are animals that can't control themselves. I don't know where did you get that from, my point is that there is an evil power that acts on people; of course they can help themselves to make better choices, as I said: we all have the power to follow the path of God. But dismissing the power of an addiction as a simple matter of "taking responsibility" is simply naive and wrong, anyone who has struggled with addiction know that. And saying that porn isn't an addiction because it has no physical cold turkey shaking symptoms is also naive and wrong.
(DIR) Post #AIASEGLe4c5MIxlzP6 by chedieck@video.qoto.org
2022-04-06T09:03:26.544Z
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@zoraster> When you start talking about "addiction" then you kind of just reduce a person to a a thing that can be controlled like a machine. You give this chemical to this person which causes him to do that ― you are not talking about something that has agency at this point. This is why I said that you are being dehumanizing.No. You can talk about addiction an still see a person as a person. We have free will, but it's not like we are gonna be 100% unbiased on our choices, right? If somebody punches you in the face just to prove this point, you are gonna feel very much inclined to punch back, even though you didn't have to. You have hormones that say how is your mood gonna be, thinking that none of that matters or of that acknowledging it is reducing people to machines does not make any sense.