Posts by AlanOutback@qoto.org
(DIR) Post #APmWaMZjcl4gUBFsHI by AlanOutback@qoto.org
2022-11-20T02:56:32Z
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@freemo My bottom line: Your server your rules => thumbs up from here.That I liked the rule and goals, is why I chose this server."While we allow questions and conversation regarding these topics in general, doing so in bad faith will result in immediate expulsion."In another (less charged) context:Kathryn Hayhoe, has useful scale of people she suggests people need to talk to.There are some percentage of them (dismissives) that in the end we wont need to persuade in order to achieve powerful strong action on climate change.As small qualified counterpoint:(I can make the case to, (at times, to some extent,) engage with even the dismissives, so as to demonstrate to the others what the dismissives really are, but 'legitimising' the concern 'OMG it gets dark at night' and its 'the sun stupid'. Giving that oxygen can backfire.)I also commend to you, the idea of conceptually validating the rules, in contexts like the above.Translating to the QOTO context:I don't see QOTO as being literally QOTO. But more accurately,QOTO about STEM (or the things that interest STEM people).Hence while unlike Kathryn QOTO doesn't have a clear direction called progress. Promoting good faith discussion, stopping bad faith actors burning it down, is less tangible but is the objective. For me: if someone really has negative value to learning of themselves and others... then they made mistake and don't belong on QOTO.anything, _you_ are ever going to agree to 'expel', wont be interesting to me. Even in a scatological sense. I wont as a result be missing anyone I get value from talking to or reading. and noting I have indeed talked to Flat earthers, and the thing I was trying to teach myself, is just what sort of mind and internal belief and analysis system can genuinely believe that. Or is it always, like the 'Ban Dihydrogen Monoxide' group I was a very early member of.But yes discussing "banning di hydrogen monoxide", while seemingly failing "has negative value to learning of themselves and others..." is on the level of "a cautionary tale" funny. But if there was enough of it, it would also be a problemHence I like, not so much rules, as people making decisions about what benefits QOTO. And in the end all conduct prejudicial to the good order and discipline of QOTO can go. And yes for good people to make good decisions, having guidleines is beneficial, as is discussion of them (hence this post)ta. && Pls Look after yourself. They (the dismissives), are not worth your BP.
(DIR) Post #AQ3gpZYttCjvG8u71c by AlanOutback@qoto.org
2022-11-28T09:41:25Z
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@freemo *The existing problem* that I see, was JoinMastodon unilaterally and non transparently turfing QOTO from its list despite QOTO at all times meeting its publicly stated requirements. On top of that, not having any receipts on how and why when questioned. Really is a violation of trust.And that drastically effects new signup if JoinMastodon is represented as an authoritative list of where new people could go. When it is seemingly more just some guys friends list and is not actually done on its owns stated & advertised criteria. There are all the public criteria for being on Join Matstadon then there are the double secret reasons (some servers, in this case QOTO are excluded because :P<blows raspberry>. )What is thus needed is a replacement for Joinmastodon, or an improvement in JoinMastodon.One of the improvements might be that each server must tell us (potential new signups) what other servers on that list they block and why. other UI improvements is how to find server that suits the new user would also be possible.===========================As for mandating that servers don't block others. NOPE. It is perfectly true that I have strong expectation that any @member@QOTO is likely basically immune to radicalization. (we've all met stupid a lot of times before, even stupid dressed up in academic clothes.) And given that QOTO so clearly says it doesn't block instances and has csv files to make it easy for individuals to make their own garden walled.Then yes we, the members of QOTO are just fine with no blocks and we knew that coming in.I don't agree that generalises to all servers and people. If someone wants to be on a server that clearly defines itself as a walled garden ... then that is not a second class server, its just one delivering things/features that I don't personally want or need. I do however respect that some people may well want or even need that. I am even more than happy to make sure all new signups that want such a thing know where to find it.
(DIR) Post #AQ3pATcXyO18Y15Y5Q by AlanOutback@qoto.org
2022-11-28T09:56:06Z
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@freemo Also note while my initial statement above was in the public timeline. And I thought it belonged there.It really has nothing to do with any proposal, it is me discussing the nature of the universe as I see it. AKA me doing/living QOTO. (AKA if what I said is wrong smack me, I promise to enjoy learning from it.)I also value the point (Someone else approx made) of preserving maximal degrees freedom for inter server argy bargy to resolve moderation. Moderation is going to get much harder, for some servers when the purposeful but clever not entirely good faith rules lawyers turn up (and start toeing lines in bad faith), and then bush lawyers any set rules we have against us. High functioning Stem severs may be up for that, I suspect the rest of the fediverse will enforce, Wheatons law, more by gut feels. I don't want any 'rules' in their way. The issue is the sign up list, and perhaps(?) secret block lists, so none know how much or little they signed up for. I am also willing to participate in any closed forum, know how not to, drama drama. but in all likelyhood will always have my own opinion. I rarely reach just the same conclusions on such topics as anyone else, but frequently decide there are no hills worth dying on.
(DIR) Post #ASiZD2qS6D6QfEbNIm by AlanOutback@qoto.org
2023-02-15T22:43:20Z
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@Teri_Kanefield Here's question you don't get asked often enough. (as you deserve)Have I told you lately that I love you? MWAH. X X O X!==============Also while I am sure you will understand It seems I am also coming to Love Randall, but you are still my favorite constitutional scholar. Definitely got he "Vibe" (see the castle)
(DIR) Post #ASjGrhTOlBD4HZS19U by AlanOutback@qoto.org
2023-02-16T06:52:31Z
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@Teri_Kanefield Yes it is always drag when words like imminent mean what the speaker said, and not what I in some fantasy world would like it to mean.But yes due process so stuff sticks takes work.Gotta leave the appellate lawyers no leg to stand on. (sorry, but I am sure you will in this case agree)Also when the appellate lawyer has no leg to stand on, that means they got it right the first time.