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(DIR) Post #B6rkjvS8caRd1L6c8u by foone@digipres.club
2026-05-31T19:48:29Z
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it's especially funny seeing the "aren't you worried about getting left behind?" argument about AI, speaking as a retrotech person.Like, come on. I'm still writing software for DOS and Windows 95. What even is "behind" at this point?
(DIR) Post #B6rlCKWyyVfuuJuqgK by lykrast@eldritch.cafe
2026-05-31T19:53:40Z
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@foone behind is where the butt is!
(DIR) Post #B6rmVxWGLDFzHfVEhc by Stepland@mamot.fr
2026-05-31T20:08:25Z
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@foone the goal is to go so obscure the only piece of information online about the system you're trying to write software for is a 12 minute video filmed by a retired autistic person shot under piss-yellow lightning with no editing or commentary whatsoever
(DIR) Post #B6rmsWPvGyRlt8IQYC by eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place
2026-05-31T20:12:31Z
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@foone it's such an enterprise brained thing to say. The type of thing you'd imagine someone who switches frameworks to make websites every couple years because there's a hot new thing that's different from the old thing and you wouldn't wanna be left behind do you? Meanwhile the 6 old things still all work fine actually
(DIR) Post #B6rp39WEwo8pxsRpke by foone@digipres.club
2026-05-31T20:36:59Z
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there's no copilot or claude support for Borland Turbo C++ 3.0
(DIR) Post #B6rpBPempbCQKeNt9k by freya@social.highenergymagic.net
2026-05-31T20:37:58Z
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@foone I bet I could hook Claude up to that
(DIR) Post #B6rpE3Sjo10WMm0a92 by RueNahcMohr@infosec.exchange
2026-05-31T20:38:19Z
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@foone oh no, you will have to write your own utility to generate the palette table! use BASIC, its included!
(DIR) Post #B6rpGaXRnj3rWqQ3ma by foone@digipres.club
2026-05-31T20:38:26Z
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@freya I'm sure you could! but please, don't
(DIR) Post #B6rpNQTBdPaQKPge0W by freya@social.highenergymagic.net
2026-05-31T20:39:48Z
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@foone you're gonn a have to come to NZ and make out with me to distract me, huh?
(DIR) Post #B6rpaKDED8AQgaNCCW by foone@digipres.club
2026-05-31T20:41:16Z
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@freya I'll have to! lemme check some flights
(DIR) Post #B6rphuscHQXWR3Lsxs by dec_hl@mastodon.social
2026-05-31T20:43:37Z
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@foone not YET!!!đ¤Ł
(DIR) Post #B6rplTAzDvxDfjdf8q by JennyFluff@chitter.xyz
2026-05-31T20:44:42Z
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@fooneAlso fun to apply this to previous tech hypes:Aren't you worried about being left behind not implementing blockchain in your retro computer software projects!?
(DIR) Post #B6rqAYnjRntuMCj3vE by hoppla@mas.to
2026-05-31T20:49:27Z
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@foone wait why do you code for DOS and Windows 95 in the first place?
(DIR) Post #B6rqORiAbU2iQHkHI0 by foone@digipres.club
2026-05-31T20:52:00Z
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@hoppla I'm into retrotech! It's fun! It's fundamentally the same thing as restoring a car from the 1940s or something
(DIR) Post #B6rql6t4C4aMUweJpw by troldann@techhub.social
2026-05-31T20:56:03Z
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@foone I had a friend tell me heâs excited for when coding agents develop enough to help him write ASM for his Vectrex. I suggested that theyâre probably as good as theyâll ever get at that considering theyâre not getting more training data on the subjectâŚ
(DIR) Post #B6rrE7HhnMdO820Nrk by cerement@social.targaryen.house
2026-05-31T21:01:13Z
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@foone (wouldnât Turbo Pascal be more âauthenticâ?)
(DIR) Post #B6rrPkMErXfMUsfgX2 by IanOB@mastodon.ie
2026-05-31T21:03:22Z
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@foone I'm not sure if its #Memories or #Flashbacks?
(DIR) Post #B6rrfvlQDqm8VRASXI by foone@digipres.club
2026-05-31T21:06:20Z
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@cerement maybe? but not for me personally. I grew up with BASIC and transitioned to C/C++ in the late 90s
(DIR) Post #B6rs2qwYJL0oDSIufY by estelle@mstdn.social
2026-05-31T21:10:25Z
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@foone crikey look at the size of those tabs
(DIR) Post #B6rseJrvjIbIdp0WTg by foone@digipres.club
2026-05-31T21:17:15Z
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@dec_hl please don't be the change you don't want to see in the world
(DIR) Post #B6rtP6barQFx7EfwH2 by collette@mastodon.social
2026-05-31T21:25:36Z
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@foone xotâs so old itâs back in style
(DIR) Post #B6rtetrjzfsSEol9rU by f4grx@chaos.social
2026-05-31T21:28:29Z
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@foone PLEASE left me behind
(DIR) Post #B6ruSbonMsn8kB5K9w by izzy@social.shadowkat.net
2026-05-31T21:36:01.839280Z
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@radicalabacus @foone been squinting at my PPC box like "huh. this distro has barely been updated in 2 years and that's a good thing??"
(DIR) Post #B6ruScX6i8EkxboiEC by kumicota@akkoma.kumicota.moe
2026-05-31T21:37:54.573209Z
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@izzy @foone @radicalabacus which PPC box do you have?I saw someone selling here a Power 8 server for 200 American bucks, I almost got it if wasn't my lack of space
(DIR) Post #B6ruwv2EU90d1yp5TU by ciatmusings@raru.re
2026-05-31T21:42:56Z
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@foone you said it. Whenever salesmen use that aphorism I'm like "Well, I'm a teacher. Do yu know what's at a school building's behind? The chemistry and IT labs! So yeah, gladly! Do leave me here please!"
(DIR) Post #B6rvbfUbB0bWhRWPNw by libramoon@mastodon.social
2026-05-31T21:50:20Z
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@foone 100% human writtenhttps://mirrorvisions.blogspot.com/2025/06/chirona-word-opera-1st-draft.html#magicalrealism #dystopianfuture #wordopera
(DIR) Post #B6rwyXVx6aH8ZQcn2m by enno@mastodon.gamedev.place
2026-05-31T22:05:39Z
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@foone literally unusable!
(DIR) Post #B6rxKZO2p9bSkTQlMm by mutanturtles95@gaygeek.social
2026-05-31T22:09:40Z
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@foone i still play mega drive and snes games as if they were new to me idgaf about being left behind
(DIR) Post #B6rxw7z59eUElUfDIu by raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie
2026-05-31T22:16:25Z
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@foone Invest in Canals, don't get left behind.Invest in supersonic civilian aircraft, don't get left behind.
(DIR) Post #B6ryzBLXD7mi11Baim by izzy@social.shadowkat.net
2026-05-31T21:58:46.519089Z
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@kumicota @foone @radicalabacus nothing so modern :akko_giggle: it's a powermac g4, 2x1Ghz quicksilver
(DIR) Post #B6rzGB6lLkEkCQNg1o by kumicota@akkoma.kumicota.moe
2026-05-31T22:31:46.237702Z
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@izzy @foone @radicalabacus :teto_woah: cool. Those "frutiger-aero" macs are quite beautiful looking machines, I just hate that they're expensive to get due a lot of "retro" people hoarding them for the looks instead of using it
(DIR) Post #B6rzyhzoR0DOwPMc1A by peteriskrisjanis@toot.lv
2026-05-31T22:39:07Z
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@foone I also find that question condescending, especially in technology field
(DIR) Post #B6s0UpXfuhJrbzWGie by harry_karadimas@toot.community
2026-05-31T22:45:05Z
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@foone C ? Not retro enough for me ... I'm more into bcpl for Amiga TRIPOS O.S. 1.x
(DIR) Post #B6s1e3j2eKK0A2nhWy by megatronicthronbanks@mastodon.social
2026-05-31T22:57:57Z
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@foone Does USB finally finally work on UPS's or are they still fitzwangling around with that stupid RS232 garbage??
(DIR) Post #B6s2Admm77YZGa5CnQ by izzy@social.shadowkat.net
2026-05-31T22:33:54.379832Z
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@kumicota @foone @radicalabacus I got this for <$200 which is still highway robbery for the practical applications of this machine but they're old and uncommon here. PowerPC macs are the only obtainable RISC workstations here
(DIR) Post #B6s2bDWRrti3dB7R9E by kumicota@akkoma.kumicota.moe
2026-05-31T23:09:11.247600Z
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@izzy @foone @radicalabacus here on Brazil is the opposite, old apple machines are hard to find but because a lot of industry here still uses in-house servers or collocation, you can find a lot of stuff like sun sparc machines, IBM power machines, SGi machines and more.A few years ago I found someone selling an mainframe for less than 10k usd
(DIR) Post #B6s3RLoGIkMAOMJIcy by foone@digipres.club
2026-05-31T23:18:08Z
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@c0dec0dec0de @pikhq yikes. I'd look for a new bank before they lose all your money
(DIR) Post #B6s42I0VOypPJTePdw by magpieluvseeds@mastodon.social
2026-05-31T23:24:46Z
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@foone me over here seriously considering growing my own flax to weave cloth like I live in the Stone Age and not the suburbs of Los Angeles
(DIR) Post #B6s4kb4NtB9NAzanZI by bytex64@awesome.garden
2026-05-31T23:32:49Z
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@foone âIâm actually quite excited about being left behind. Could you all leave, already?â
(DIR) Post #B6s4sJY0v4s19J8D7A by obscurestar@mastodon.social
2026-05-31T23:34:14Z
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@foone Now if only Bush hadn't dismissed the anti-trust suit against Microsoft and their practices.Remember when their compiler sucked so they wrote backdoor APIs that only their compiler could use, leaving everyone else to call slower, more expensive routines, often filled with no-ops just so MSVC could sorta keep up?
(DIR) Post #B6s7rx1ix259AGXwm0 by TorontoWill@mastodon.social
2026-06-01T00:07:43Z
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@foone I could fill a book with everything I hate about "don't be left behind" as pressure to use a technology, but this is the best point. Even with the most incredible, transformative technologies, space persists for people who don't want to use it. Email is cool, but it's 2026 and they still deliver paper letters. Word processors are handy, but they still sell pens. Christopher Nolan isn't exactly "left behind" shooting on film.
(DIR) Post #B6s8WmlzyjyPEif8nA by renardboy@mastodon.social
2026-06-01T00:15:06Z
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@foone As someone who is into computers, but also blacksmithing, I wholeheartedly agree.
(DIR) Post #B6s9nGmGI7TYseD3lw by meowski@fluf.club
2026-06-01T00:29:46.762167Z
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@kumicota @foone @izzy probably about as powerful as an iphone now
(DIR) Post #B6sBYJGSxgJI9uKdNI by kumicota@akkoma.kumicota.moe
2026-06-01T00:49:30.388854Z
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@meowski @foone @izzy Considering that it's a mainframe from 2005, ir's probably really powerfull even for modern computer consumer standards but you will need more power than an house to power it on
(DIR) Post #B6sFPBNdJ1syuraTgm by distrowatch@mastodon.social
2026-06-01T01:32:06Z
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@foone I didn't get on the IDE bandwagon and still write my software in a simple, console text editor. I am about three steps behind already and quite happy.
(DIR) Post #B6sFwpqTsUQTyP7yGO by yon@sakurajima.moe
2026-06-01T01:38:16Z
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@foone That old DOS color scheme :)
(DIR) Post #B6sG3eN0wPC8PVauYq by meowski@fluf.club
2026-06-01T01:39:57.310691Z
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@kumicota @foone @izzy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_System_z9 it looks like it has a large ram capacity, up to 512 gb. but 7 cpu cores which are probably slow. so idk maybe comparable to a modern desktop system with a lot of ram.
(DIR) Post #B6sGczuQqqmPLd52Ku by meowski@fluf.club
2026-06-01T01:46:21.712193Z
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@kumicota @foone @izzy they apparently had a beefy version with "up to 54 main processors" that is impressive for 2005. but man, processors were slow as molasses back then. even fancy ones.
(DIR) Post #B6sLz3vL6aXDwNqT56 by null31@pl.gnu.moe
2026-06-01T01:43:40.836993Z
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@kumicota @foone @meowski @izzy btw currently we're on IBM z17.>you will need more power than an house to power it onFor these old ones, yes, currently for z16 is around of 4.5kW and have less bullshit to manage them.@kumicota a z16 cost around 260kk BRL (49kk USD) with their storage DS8900.
(DIR) Post #B6sM92I427uvlpELIm by azonenberg@ioc.exchange
2026-06-01T02:47:41Z
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@foone And if you want a copy of openclaw on a smith-corona DataDisk you're probably out of luck too
(DIR) Post #B6sMCd7TYkwyrYzXG4 by ClarusPlusPlus@gamedev.lgbt
2026-06-01T02:48:22Z
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@foone Apropos of nothing, I initially misread this as "robotech person"
(DIR) Post #B6sMjwDZZboXeSj3xI by kumicota@akkoma.kumicota.moe
2026-06-01T02:54:51.725973Z
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@null31 @foone @meowski @izzy I thought that they were a magnitude higher in cost, cool
(DIR) Post #B6sORnoMI3rKH5Pbxw by canleaf@mastodon.social
2026-06-01T03:13:29Z
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@foone I am maintaining software for Win 10, office 2019 and Java 17 at this point for webtops professionally ... I am maintaining a 40 year old Volkswagen bus and a 26 year old Jetta GLX.. i am left behind... I rather spend hours in Canadian nature than kindergardening bots in Germany.
(DIR) Post #B6sZS4254wku519r4C by brouhaha@mastodon.social
2026-06-01T05:16:41Z
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@foone "Aren't you worried about being left ahead?"
(DIR) Post #B6sjSLD6DB2sth5AuW by agowa338@chaos.social
2026-06-01T07:08:51Z
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@foone @dec_hl > But if we don't do it someone else may do it!!! đ And other similarly stupid arguments you here on the regular in this context.
(DIR) Post #B6sjxxGkl8Z9ubrliq by david_chisnall@infosec.exchange
2026-06-01T07:14:39Z
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@foone Even if you care about the cutting edge, itâs a silly argument. When has being a late adopter ever been a serious obstacle in computing? About the only thing I can think of is that it turns out learning to touch type as a child was useful.I learned HTML and JavaScript in the mid â90s and PHP in the early 2000s. There are a lot of web developers who werenât even born then who are much better at web development than me because the technology has changed hugely since then and the approaches I learned have been superseded. I learned multithreaded programming before SMP was something you saw outside of high-end workstations and no one does it the same way anymore (except on microcontrollers: some of the stuff I learned back then is useful now I maintain an RTOS, but even there were adopting techniques that hadnât been invented when I wrote my first multithreaded program). I learned socket programming when needing to have code that worked over IP and IPX was important. Some of that is useful in an IPv4 / v6 world, but I wouldnât write low-level code like that for most use cases now, Iâd write something on a higher-level protocol unless I had very specific requirements.Object-oriented programming reached peak fashionability while I was a teenager, functional programming around the time I finished my PhD. People who learned Lisp in the â70s are not (aside from having 40+ years more experience in general) at a big advantage relative to people who graduated in the 2010s and learned a more nuanced view of where the ideas from OOP and FP are useful.What about tooling? Interactive debuggers, syntax highlighting, inline error reporting, semantic autocomplete, inline documentation, and a few other things have become ubiquitous since I started programming. I picked up some of these things early, some late. The point at which I started using them made little difference.Iâve seen several frameworks and coding styles jump from nowhere to âeverything must be like this, itâs such a massive improvement that nothing else will be able to competeâ to âoh, I remember that thing!â. A few have stuck around, but the people who adopted those slowly are in a better position than people who jumped on the wrong one quickly.Business people talk about a first-mover advantage but itâs quite rare to be able to turn that into something thatâs a big commercial advantage. Most first movers die, a few are massively successful. That gives a big survival bias to people looking at the results. But this isnât true of technology-related skills. Itâs generally easier to learn a mature technology than a cutting-edge one and those skills tend to be more durable.
(DIR) Post #B6spb1i0gbfOkJ47s0 by neutronstar@infosec.exchange
2026-06-01T08:17:39Z
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@foone At this point, I wouldnât be surprised if a lot of people start circling back and then youâll be in front!
(DIR) Post #B6tGetHIffv0WEdgwa by d_j_fitzgerald@bitbang.social
2026-06-01T13:20:52Z
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@foone ...yet
(DIR) Post #B6tKe1MjW2KR851Ndg by VANTABlack2000@mastodon.gamedev.place
2026-06-01T14:05:34Z
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@foone To me I find that argument funny because apparently I am the one who should be worried about getting left behind when using AI has been proven to hinder learning and reduce critical thinking. I am out here trying to learn how to learn and not taking shortcuts. I may not be as good at things as others, but I am improving on my own at least. An added benefit is I know how to improve myself if the power and/or internet goes out lol.
(DIR) Post #B6tOBfwNymQOOCR8rY by kaleissin@wandering.shop
2026-06-01T14:45:15Z
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@foone My second language after QBasic was Turbo (Pascal|Assembler). Miss the energy levels of a teen more tho'
(DIR) Post #B6tP3K3TZ8La9LKlg8 by irina@wandering.shop
2026-06-01T14:54:59Z
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@foone Good.
(DIR) Post #B6txsfHfnFGLCUd0N6 by thalia@discuss.systems
2026-06-01T21:25:14Z
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@foone A recent post asked people the earliest file modification time they'd seen. Most commenters were saying '80s. The earliest machine-readable modtime of files I've analyzed is January 1972, from some miscellaneous UNIX tapes. Just this weekend, I reversed the PDP-7 UNIX assembler from 1969. A smattering of earlier stuff too, like the code in Thompson's 1967 regular expression patent. I usually hover around 1972-1974 UNIX.
(DIR) Post #B6uoxKoubGYgkeHrtY by SholemAlejchem@hessen.social
2026-06-02T07:19:53Z
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@foone @hoppla aww, for a moment I thought you work for the German railway company...
(DIR) Post #B6up839mc1n59f9uc4 by SholemAlejchem@hessen.social
2026-06-02T07:21:55Z
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@foone @hoppla Are you somehow involved with whoever wrotw this? https://windows96.net/