Post B5oicvd0CHCwPRaPdw by wyatt_h_knott@mstdn.social
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(DIR) Post #B5oi43rnZeQ9pFshXs by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-04-30T10:42:49Z
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@mzedp But how do you define "machine" ... ? It's made of silicon and metal or?I think right now the stuff we are being offered that's call AI, it's such a joke. I can't believe we are even letting LLMs into the damn conversation (but they are good at faking conversation) so saying "a machine can never have a conscience or a life" is something I like hearing.But I don't really think it's totally true. Not if you really build systems that work just like the living systems.
(DIR) Post #B5oiSU4ZnAEa3JVHeq by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-04-30T10:47:13Z
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@mzedp In fact it's because these systems that are called AI are so different from anything resembling a project to "model a mind" that I'm disgusted with the hand waving and "it's alive" talk.When I was in High School I tried to make an artificial mind in BASIC. It was more alive than every LM.It had six emotions.
(DIR) Post #B5oicvd0CHCwPRaPdw by wyatt_h_knott@mstdn.social
2026-04-30T10:49:03Z
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@futurebird @mzedp I'm just going to leave this here: https://ko-fi.com/post/Crechebot-Awakes-X8X0I2RD0
(DIR) Post #B5ojZvdVoH8RWJxTIO by michaelgemar@cosocial.ca
2026-04-30T10:59:43Z
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@futurebird @mzedp https://www.eastoftheweb.com/short-stories/UBooks/TheyMade.shtml
(DIR) Post #B5ok79uPlWfhLHi3do by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-04-30T11:05:45Z
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@mzedp "I'm sure you know, but it's interesting that these "neural networks" WERE supposed to be attempts at modelling natural systems."This was always a metaphor and a very thin one at that. Yes some of the systems work a little like a weighted decision network, and brains have similar networks. But brains aren't networks of characters and words. Brains aren't made of text in a particular language, this is so much more coarse in modeling terms.
(DIR) Post #B5olCeoQOXXAac5rpQ by rayhindle@mastodon.social
2026-04-30T11:17:55Z
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@futurebird How do you feel about the idea behind Star Trek's Data?
(DIR) Post #B5os5g3k3jlg6psQr2 by lienrag@mastodon.tedomum.net
2026-04-30T12:35:01Z
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@futurebird Ever heard of Paul Jorion's ANELLA ?I've never understood if he's right that, had the funding not be cut by the end of the Cold War, it would indeed have been a breakthrough, or if the guy is just delusional.@mzedp
(DIR) Post #B5p1drq5fSqw4pry2C by mansr@society.oftrolls.com
2026-04-30T13:47:12Z
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@rayhindle @futurebird There's certainly something odd about his language model. Even chatbots can say "it's."
(DIR) Post #B5p1dsply8C1A8jEB6 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-04-30T14:22:09Z
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@mansr @rayhindle Data says “it is” on purpose. It’s a signifier of his non-human identity. (Something that, within the text of Star Trek, he’s often described as being very important to him.) It’s like an accent or a dialect.But also I think I know what you were really getting at with this.
(DIR) Post #B5p5eKxVnjAeCsouqu by mansr@society.oftrolls.com
2026-04-30T15:07:01Z
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@futurebird @rayhindle There are mentions of him being unable to use contractions, not merely unwilling. This suggests that for all his intelligence, his language processing is quite hardwired, which always seemed odd to me. If ancillary materials have retconned a deeper explanation, I am unaware of it (I've only watched the shows and films).
(DIR) Post #B5p9KeIWabdGD6W4JM by strangetruther@masto.ai
2026-04-30T15:48:17Z
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@futurebird @mzedp What were those emotions?T\When I created my artificial mind (MkI) it had basically hunger and thirst (negatives), but also had pleasure when eating or drinking.