Post B5WK67GvzMCVDmo4Ya by knapjack@social.vivaldi.net
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(DIR) Post #B5W1CI94ZplrYJMQ2S by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-04-21T10:17:40Z
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The venn diagram of the "spare the rod and spoil the child" people and the "threatening to bomb a country into the stone age is good and moral foreign policy" people is a circle.It's the same error in the nature of power, in the exercise of control. The same confusion between might and destructive chaos.
(DIR) Post #B5W1SMWw2efFmkBXVo by RogerBW@discordian.social
2026-04-21T10:20:33Z
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@futurebird In essence, I think, it is the feeling that "I" am competent and able to make a judgement as to the correct course of action in a situation, and "they" are not.
(DIR) Post #B5W1UxhonM27f7W0KO by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-04-21T10:21:03Z
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Beating your child is child abuse. But if that doesn't convince you not to do it for some reason (very strange but OK) it's also NOT EFFECTIVE. It doesn't do what it claims. Other methods of enforcing boundaries are more effective.Beating your child won't keep them from getting pregnant as a teen or ending up in prison. It won't prove that you love them. It just shows you get angry and can control that anger. That's it. It's bad parenting.
(DIR) Post #B5W2RGCGChl9o5YLWi by ersatzmaus@mastodon.social
2026-04-21T10:31:33Z
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@futurebird Not to mention what are you going to do when one day you find yourself looking up at them…
(DIR) Post #B5W4GyRbYJ1JlEx9EG by waitworry@sakurajima.moe
2026-04-21T10:52:06Z
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@futurebird it also teaches them that violence is an acceptable response to someone angering youwhich like I think most don't want kids to be going around hitting people I dunno
(DIR) Post #B5W4jP7hxBeGc4CeTw by clayfoot@mastodon.social
2026-04-21T10:57:13Z
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@futurebird Sweden banned all corporal punishment in 1979, and they have a hotline for children to call if any adult (including a parent) hits them. My child was keenly interested in this information, and shares it with others.
(DIR) Post #B5W50Ow7tweWxMtHlI by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-04-21T11:00:20Z
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@waitworry It teaches that the reason you obey isn't because the person who is in charge has shown they are wise, or because you trust them. No you obey because they might hit you and they are bigger and can hit harder than you can hit back.
(DIR) Post #B5W9atlj927Sp4gXxY by ubi@ecoevo.social
2026-04-21T11:51:42Z
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@futurebird I used to be in the "Spare the rod" camp, but since I started helping to raise my nephew I realised that even toddlers can be reasoned with and just calming him down and explaining things to him works.
(DIR) Post #B5W9oj5td6T1lniFsW by ahltorp@mastodon.nu
2026-04-21T11:54:12Z
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@futurebird It’s a case of ”because I say so”, and would not be tolerated if the situation was reversed.
(DIR) Post #B5WChstZ5gma0FNFpo by Halaana@mastodon.social
2026-04-21T12:26:36Z
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@futurebird You're describing an Euler diagram rather than a Venn diagram. Venn diagrams show possible logical sets, rather than trying to show the relationship between things. Pedantry aside, both would fit in the circle of people who are the common clay of the nation, morons.
(DIR) Post #B5WG6LtPEL8ukWesk4 by anabollocks@masto.nyc
2026-04-21T13:04:37Z
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@futurebird I'm gonna argue they *can* control it. Generally these same people do not strike their bosses, coworkers, or junior employees at their job. They choose their targets.
(DIR) Post #B5WK67GvzMCVDmo4Ya by knapjack@social.vivaldi.net
2026-04-21T13:49:24Z
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@futurebird I always felt like "spare the rod and spoil the child" was a commandment, so we did. ❤️
(DIR) Post #B5WOIZSdPQQ1wGTQhM by Kruku@mastodon.bida.im
2026-04-21T14:36:16Z
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@futurebird Agreed. And I say this as someone who had a fat file at Social Services because I was covered in bruises since I was a baby. I grew up with no respect for authority figures because my parents and teachers would smack me or emotionally abuse me. Smacking children does not turn them into angels.
(DIR) Post #B5WOdgWoKOXnwHUkRU by LanceJZ@mastodon.social
2026-04-21T14:40:18Z
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@futurebird that includes spanking. Also indoctrination is child abuse.
(DIR) Post #B5WRbLPm9jsBjwmPtA by EF@mastodon.bsd.cafe
2026-04-21T15:13:28Z
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@futurebird we need to do more stopping the psychological and mental torment some parents inflict on their kids through verbal abuse too.
(DIR) Post #B5WSkKQJJMIXE3sUEa by lienrag@mastodon.tedomum.net
2026-04-21T15:26:04Z
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@futurebird I remember you having a much more nuanced (but still principled) take on this, which I often used as an example of sound parenting (or child-caring) advice...
(DIR) Post #B5XcQpQ3YLQkGY3jW4 by RobotDiver@starlite.rodeo
2026-04-22T04:49:32Z
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@futurebird All I ever learned from my dad was that it was dangerous to disagree with him in any way because I had the bruises all over my sternum from him poking me in the chest while he was yelling at me. So I ceased to ever share any opinions with him and I learned he was not worthy of my respect. It wasn't a beating but it was enough to see who he was.
(DIR) Post #B5fkYqNiDGmSSryWZM by utopiarte@tupambae.org
2026-04-26T02:41:39Z
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futurebird wrote:The venn diagram of the "spare the rod and spoil the child" people and the "threatening to bomb a country into the stone age is good and moral foreign policy" people is a circle.Why do you (all of you) enter into a discussion about comparing pure fascist behavior with violence against children?You are normalizing the fact that a (your) president, a war criminal that gives a f*** about (your) laws and constitution, representing the most weaponized and violent country on earth, threatens the sh** out of the whole world, out of each and every country.For if you are not aware, the entire world is observing the society of the US, how it handles and comes to terms with its abhorrent behavior while killing people when ever they want and where ever they want.Stop normalizing by arguing the unthinkable.The world wont accept your export of mass shooting and death penalty sentences all around the world and it will blame it on you as a whole, on you as a society, on you as people and on you as persons.@futurebird
(DIR) Post #B5fkYrDT6qBH3OBrF2 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2026-04-26T02:58:03Z
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@utopiarte What is "unthinkable" about something that happens all of the time?