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(DIR) Post #AtGElDLKMLH8O7J5pw by Nimbius666@comp.lain.la
2025-04-19T21:06:11.225946Z
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To my American comrades, Things are bad right now, but you can take some comfort in studying good Marxist theory to understand how and why the nation is in this state. Your local library likely has Marxist literature. Reading it is an act of defiance against fascism. Knowledge is power.Mao and Lenin can also give insight into how late stage capitalism comes to a close.
(DIR) Post #AtGcK5L0PcVIdpkl9s by p
2025-04-20T01:33:08.666577Z
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@Nimbius666 > Your local libraryOr must marxists.org has everything. Basically all of it.> studying good Marxist theory to understand how and why the nation is in this state.> Reading it is an act of defiance against fascism.I don't think that anything I read stopped fascism. It's essentially a manual of failure written by the people that either lost to fascists or, once they got power, were indistinguishable from fascists.The Federalist papers are a better read.hungry_santa.jpg
(DIR) Post #AtGd9Mv4nrGNwI4xEm by Nimbius666@comp.lain.la
2025-04-20T01:42:15.128560Z
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@p it's not an end to fascism, but defiance. These are different things.>It's essentially a manual of failure written by the people that either lost to fascists or, once they got power, were indistinguishable from fascists.This is common and remedial. Revisit English comprehension as its possible the literature is too academic. As a point of reference, the soviets were clear victors in world war II.
(DIR) Post #AtGezs5qFGyZdQiI6a by irie@merovingian.club
2025-04-20T02:03:02Z
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@p @Nimbius666 I like the theory that defines Communism as the failed attempt to establish Judaism for all (and its rule by the Jewish priest class) via secular means.
(DIR) Post #AtGfMug2nwQYJEdMn2 by Nimbius666@comp.lain.la
2025-04-20T02:07:03.960612Z
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@irie @p this seems like nonsensical propaganda as the proletariat is the dictatorship and the USSR expressly discouraged religion.
(DIR) Post #AtGfOrkqdpALpAoPZo by p
2025-04-20T02:07:37.411235Z
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@Nimbius666 > it's not an end to fascism, but defiance. These are different things.Seems like it would be better to get rid of the thing than to run around defying it.> This is common and remedial. Revisit English comprehension as its possible the literature is too academic.Unfortunately, "If you don't agree with it, you must not understand it, probably because you're not smart enough." is the common retort and people fall for it when they are young. I fell for it when I was young.It's arrogant, it's a symptom of exactly the sort of person that buys this philosophy: these people are too stupid to act in their own interests, but you'll guide them, right? Trotsky says that the peasants are just too stupid to agree with him, so they have to be subject to the proletariat, the proletariat is too stupid so they need guidance from the vanguard of the proletariat, and the vanguard of the proletariat has to listen to the Fourth International, which had Trotsky as a leader (purely by coincidence, I'm certain).> As a point of reference, the soviets were clear victors in world war II. Do you intend to convey that Stalin is representative of your philosophy?
(DIR) Post #AtGghMrTpD2HT3IgL2 by p
2025-04-20T02:22:10.341038Z
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@irie @Nimbius666 Hungry Santa was actually not a very big fan of the Jewish people: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/jewish-question/ . In modern parlance, he was "problematic" (in this case the word means "racist as hell").marx-vs-lassalle.jpg
(DIR) Post #AtGhb3ko3OPSQHjbpg by Nimbius666@comp.lain.la
2025-04-20T02:32:02.362115Z
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@p >It's arrogantAgreed, ajd i apologise, but its the last resort when youre faced with someone who hasn't progressed with the material. >you'll guide them, right? Marxist Leninist theory exists for this. I'm no Mao; im not qualified to lead anyone, I'm just intent on ensuring everyone can learn. >Trotsky says that the peasants are just too stupid to agree with himTrotsky stated peasants lack class conscience and can seek emancipation through alliance with the proletariat in revolution. Peasants absolutely have the intelligence to understand their circumstance, their life and their oppression.> the proletariat is too stupid so they need guidance from the vanguard of the proletariatThe role of the vanguard, the party, is to align the proletariat with goals and objectives to achieve Marxist communism. The proletariat sees their class role and understand the need to make revolution. These are levels of leadership, not crutches upon which failure rests.>and the vanguard of the proletariat has to listen to the Fourth InternationalThe Fourth International (FI) was a political international established in France in 1938 by Leon Trotsky and his supporters, having been expelled from the Soviet Union and the Communist International. I'm not certain what this is relevant to?
(DIR) Post #AtGi6R2RX5CbcDwerA by warmbeverageenjoyer
2025-04-20T02:37:54.460687Z
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@Nimbius666 @p >I'm no Mao; im not qualified to lead anyoneAre you saying mao was qualified to lead?The rest of your post reads in exactly the same slimy, duplicitous way authoritarian commies always speak in and is not worth responding to, though I'm sure p will end up doing so anyway Just, gross. I'm with you against fascism, and I think infighting when we have the same shared enemy is stupid, but I encourage you to look within and realize your slimy self hurts the cause more than anything
(DIR) Post #AtGk7RoGLmMsCnvHMW by p
2025-04-20T03:00:30.036687Z
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@Nimbius666 > but its the last resort when youre faced with someone who hasn't progressed with the material. Well, it was pretty quick. I have in fact progressed with the material, and eventually past it.> I'm just intent on ensuring everyone can learn.Everyone can learn. In fact, if one cares to read, we're at an unprecedented time.> Trotsky stated peasants lack class conscience and can seek emancipation through alliance with the proletariat in revolution.Yes, so I read. He was of the opinion that they inevitably fall in with the bourgeois interests. That is, they come to the wrong conclusion and thus cannot be allowed to make decisions. This is arrogant enough to be called foolish: Trotsky was an idiot.> The role of the vanguard, the party, is to align the proletariat with goals and objectives to achieve Marxist communism.A set of elites to make the decisions to achieve the objective, without regard for whether the idea is even good.> The proletariat sees their class role and understand the need to make revolution.Per Trotsky, "This program is a scientific program. It is based on an objective analysis of the objective situation. It cannot be understood by the workers as a whole." This is to say that he has decided for them what is in their interest and that whether or not they agree with it--which, in his view, is impossible, because they cannot understand it--it has to be done.> These are levels of leadership, not crutches upon which failure rests.It was a strictly ideologically regimented structure; his criteria were whether people were aligned with his philosophy and whether they achieved his own objectives rather than whether they were free to make their own decisions.> I'm not certain what this is relevant to? That was the hierarchy: Trotsky over the party, the party over the vanguard, and the vanguard over the worker/peasant alliance. ( https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1931/tpr/pr10.htm )
(DIR) Post #AtGkY3GzgW9nvR30aH by p
2025-04-20T03:05:18.526615Z
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@warmbeverageenjoyer @Nimbius666 > Are you saying mao was qualified to lead?My previous ex (the one before the recent ex) had to live with Mao's decisions. (She was born due to China's purity spiral, in fact. No one wanted to stick out if they also wanted to survive, so her parents did what everyone else was doing and had her.)> is not worth responding to, though I'm sure p will end up doing so anyway...*cough* OKAY YEAH BUT
(DIR) Post #AtGkfTWqSuA1No0A9g by dcc@annihilation.social
2025-04-20T03:06:37.952020Z
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@p @Nimbius666 @irie True.jewjewsjews.pngso_weird.png
(DIR) Post #AtGks5D2CCxriokNqS by p
2025-04-20T03:08:55.738494Z
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@dcc @Nimbius666 @irie Hungry Santa suffered from the same affliction as many other Germans: he couldn't just leave people alone.
(DIR) Post #AtGmNAsNHE3mEDTNzs by dcc@annihilation.social
2025-04-20T03:25:44.212048Z
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@p @Nimbius666 @irie I think the true issuse today is question of what do you do to people who won't leave you alone? (you kill then obviously)DEAD_NOW_alex.mp4
(DIR) Post #AtGmobPSjWdaL81oae by Nimbius666@comp.lain.la
2025-04-20T03:30:30.050208Z
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@dcc @p @irie
(DIR) Post #AtGmx8ct7QhPfxNVSa by dcc@annihilation.social
2025-04-20T03:32:14.085187Z
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@Nimbius666 @p @irie No not really, you believe there is a moral high ground. Its not, it just has to happen.blather_about.gif
(DIR) Post #AtGmzb6EE8U6YyH5IO by p
2025-04-20T03:32:41.820241Z
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@Nimbius666 @dcc @irie No:maokiss.jpg
(DIR) Post #AtGnIr7asj1xky62C0 by Nimbius666@comp.lain.la
2025-04-20T03:36:00.914962Z
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@p @dcc @irie
(DIR) Post #AtGnO5e4JHWSFVmXnE by dcc@annihilation.social
2025-04-20T03:37:06.837051Z
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@Nimbius666 @p @iriesubversive.jpg
(DIR) Post #AtGnUHk2FWSfVDWjPE by sunmcnukes@shitpost.cloud
2025-04-20T03:21:16.098334Z
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NO, FUCK YOU.
(DIR) Post #AtGngkAIOgAz8DkbWC by p
2025-04-20T03:40:29.683408Z
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@Nimbius666 @dcc @irie "It could be if it weren't Western bourgeois decadence, comrade."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recognition_of_same-sex_unions_in_Chinahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBTQ_rights_in_China> Under the Xi Jinping administration, LGBTQ venues and events have been forced to shut and LGBTQ rights activists have become subject to greater scrutiny by the country's system of mass surveillance.:xi2:
(DIR) Post #AtGo4LWXfEGBesPWoC by warmbeverageenjoyer
2025-04-20T03:44:45.619059Z
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@p @Nimbius666 :02lul:
(DIR) Post #AtGoPoAaM2YOaDNHsG by Leyonhjelm@shitposter.world
2025-04-20T03:48:37.959146Z
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@p China does occasionally get something right@dcc @Nimbius666 @irie
(DIR) Post #AtGsV8qTJIHzyJlVhY by pernia@cum.salon
2025-04-20T04:34:23.412459Z
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@p @dcc @Nimbius666 @irie thank you based china
(DIR) Post #AtHNZ1Qpud92iV6YoS by dagda@netzsphaere.xyz
2025-04-20T10:22:27.616174Z
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@irie @p @Nimbius666 "Antisemites do be mad, we'll do zionism now"- "Noooo, you can't do that :alexjones: "- "Uhm, okay, we'll build an advanced secular society in russia that tolerates us"- "Noooooo, that is worse :alex_jones_meltdown: "
(DIR) Post #AtHoot4nRXCiCMaMSW by nach@detroitriotcity.com
2025-04-20T15:27:44.250277Z
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@p @dcc @Nimbius666 @irie i like how every time i see an article on chyna i see it accompanied by 'the country's mass surveillance system'man that's just everywhere now, not just chyna :sad_dog:
(DIR) Post #AtHvEGB1IE3Yo7yi8G by p
2025-04-20T16:39:41.900112Z
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@dagda @irie @Nimbius666 Alex Jones, whose wife is Jewish and who has been a long-time vocal supporter of Israel, is probably not the person to use for this. (I don't know if snacks has these or not, but FSE has a fine selection of images of :idiamin:s and :arafat:s and a few :crowley:s; should you wish to represent the other side, we've got at least two of :dayan:, some :sharonsmug2:s, etc.; the emijoms of Charlie Chaplin can double as Hitler if you are careful about presentation. :chaplinsmug:)While I'm here, because the Nazis' and the Commies' hyperfocus on each other has prompted them to make an informal agreement under the table to omit these inconvenient bits, and because the only sensible thing to do with a sacred cow is grind it into DELICIOUS AMERICAN CHEESEBURGER, the USSR is probably not the best example of "Zionism" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin_and_antisemitism ). Stalin was also buddies with Hitler until Operation Barbarossa, two years into the war, which Germany and the USSR began as allies; he appears to be responsible for some of the massacres of Polish Jews during the war as well.pick_a_side_centrist.jpg
(DIR) Post #AtHwAEPU1H7M7kO0eG by p
2025-04-20T16:50:10.526583Z
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@nach @Nimbius666 @dcc @irie> i like how every time i see an article on chyna i see it accompanied by 'the country's mass surveillance system'If we keep pointing out that theirs is worse, then people yell less about ours.
(DIR) Post #AtHwDZNsUjpU2iE9Nw by dagda@netzsphaere.xyz
2025-04-20T16:50:45.766589Z
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@p @Nimbius666 @irie I wasn't really going anywhere with Jones tbh, it was just one of the emotes on this server I had at hand. I'm well aware socialist antisemitism exists, especially in early utopian socialism and anarchism. Also with Stalin you basically have both, extreme philosemitism and anti-semitism in his lifetime (now that's some anti-centrism lol).As for Alex Jones he isn't even as insane as people think, he has personally admitted that he puts extra pathos and exaggeration into his reporting. Ever since his whole "rich elites have huge organized pedophilia cabals" thing turned out 100% accurate I'm against leftist smugness over his style
(DIR) Post #AtHwKMKvP6cNbT5EjQ by catmanmancat@poa.st
2025-04-20T16:51:59.762868Z
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@p @nach @dcc @Nimbius666 @irie Pete you make a very salient point about mass surveillance in all Western Nations.
(DIR) Post #AtHy39brfVFb7KvkrQ by p
2025-04-20T17:11:18.382991Z
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@dagda @Nimbius666 @irie > I'm well awareIn that case, hopefully it wasn't too boring. I try to never miss an opportunity to grind some sliders out of a sacred cow.> Ever since his whole "rich elites have huge organized pedophilia cabals" thing turned out 100% accurate I'm against leftist smugness over his style Did you see that video of that Nyberg guy that was trying to convince black women at a party to fly with him to a Caribbean island to so he could impregnate them so that he could have a doctor perform an abortion so that he could harvest the stem cells? I mean, as far as I'm concerned, all conspiracy theory bets are off.chadburger.jpg
(DIR) Post #AtHyB7Zp6v8z83m6GO by p
2025-04-20T17:12:44.774540Z
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@catmanmancat @nach @dcc @Nimbius666 @irie :bigbosssalute:
(DIR) Post #AtHyLUTgotIT3EqmTQ by dagda@netzsphaere.xyz
2025-04-20T17:14:36.293520Z
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@p @Nimbius666 @irie I don't follow his reporting, I mainly just see clips of him as memes.It's not an unreasonable assumption, Peter Thiel for example literally injects young blood to age slower (that's some dystopian vampire stuff fr)
(DIR) Post #AtI0MaZBrqB08J4gqm by p
2025-04-20T17:37:13.713865Z
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@dagda @Nimbius666 @irie > I don't follow his reporting, I mainly just see clips of him as memes.I didn't pay much attention to him aside from meme songs until he got banned everywhere. I don't know how old you are, but if you remember when Jon Stewart was doing the Daily Show way back in The Day, like when he was covering the 2000 election fiasco, it's like that. Broad strokes of the news (everything else is a lie anyway, as Jefferson noted) and a lot of jokes, sometimes dark humor. We laugh lest we weep and the news is always depressing. It's also entertaining when he improvises because of the type of thing that happens during live broadcasts, someone isn't ready with the thing that needs to happen next or a caller runs long. Technically it's all improvised, but there's an outline; he's been doing radio a long time so he knows how to avoid dead air in an entertaining way when he's got to operate without a plan.This was a very entertaining/fascinating article by David Foster Wallace about a local radio host: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/06/john-ziegler-as-david-foster-wallace-saw-him/240402/ . The reason I am bringing it up is because I have an excuse to (DFW is a good writer), and because of this bit: "What's amazing is that when you get new people who think that they can do a talk-radio program, you watch them for the first time. By three minutes into it, they have that look on their face like, 'Oh my God, I've got ten minutes left. What am I going to say?'" If you've listened to enough radio (like you live in Los Angeles and have to commute back and forth from the west side during rush hour), you can hear the things that go wrong and a good disembodied voice ("talking head" didn't sound appropriate for the radio) manages to actually be *more* fun when the parachute fails. Hard to explain, Alex Jones is good at his job; see attached.> Peter Thiel for example literally injects young blood to age slower (that's some dystopian vampire stuff fr) Ha, I remember the blood boys; I wonder if he still does that.get_ready_pls.mp4
(DIR) Post #AtI4aIn39kT4s4LsBc by dagda@netzsphaere.xyz
2025-04-20T18:24:30.623185Z
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@p @Nimbius666 @irie I do in fact do a radio show semi-regularly, in germany there's thing thing called "free radio frequencies", it started with pirate radios that were so pupular that the state was like "well if they won't stop we'll just give them some frequencies next to commercial radio to go wild with, easier then banning them against popular will".It's a music show and not a news show, it's on for quite a while now. I'm somewhat introverted and sometimes even extremely socially awkward, but I can talk on radio to large audiences perfectly fine. I think what it really comes down to is the will to be entertaining as if you would want to be a listener yourself, and passion about what you have to say. When we talk about certain songs before we get the vinyls ready we all go to tangents about weird shit the artists were up to in their lifetime, because we can with a non-mainstream audience that is enthusiastic about it as we are. Also a lot goes wrong, Vinyls too damaged, equipment going wild, software issues, etc. If you know all that you get an idea of how crazy it is that commercial stations can go flawless in their execution for weeks. However while they outclass us in professionalism they do have less soul. Still, remarkable achievement.
(DIR) Post #AtISEPYnhafIOhmVQ8 by p
2025-04-20T22:49:29.486949Z
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@dagda @Nimbius666 @irie > I do in fact do a radio show semi-regularly,AH, okay! Then you probably know what I mean (and probably a lot of > "free radio frequencies", it started with pirate radios that were so pupular that the state was like "well if they won't stop we'll just give them some frequencies next to commercial radio to go wild with,Oh, that's pretty cool. We used to have "public access" television stations that were sort of like that. The origin was a little more dull, the idea was first that cable stations, being monopolies, owed it to the market they monopolized, and also that there was some value in letting people build up the skills (professional and technical) needed to put a television broadcast together, since it's not exactly the type of thing you can do in your room. The internet more or less eliminated all of those concerns: you have (in theory) a medium that allows for equal access, global reach, and most of the gear has turned into software that runs on commodity hardware.> I'm somewhat introverted and sometimes even extremely socially awkward, but I can talk on radio to large audiences perfectly fine.I believe that. I'm socially terrible, someone asks how I'm doing and I freak out, but public speaking hasn't ever bothered me.> tangents about weird shit the artists were up to in their lifetime,Ha, really entertaining stuff. Artists are fuckin' weird, weird shit's great.> Vinyls too damaged, equipment going wild, software issues, etc.Ha, yeah, it's kind of amazing how much can go wrong with anything. That must be a lot of fun. I imagine no advertisements, right? Out of pocket on the gear or donations or is there some way of generating profit?
(DIR) Post #AtIVYIXPovISGwJ8zI by dagda@netzsphaere.xyz
2025-04-20T23:26:41.088606Z
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@p @Nimbius666 @irie non-commercial strictly. While it's basically do what you want the legal framework is under the umbrella of public broadcasting. The small office is rent by public money and the equipment is mostly old stuff that has been left over by actual public broadcast stations, dodging the dumpster. It still works fine, as broadcasting equipment is standardized and we broadcast to analogue and digital radio, which has consistent technical interfaces. Our show is also available as a web stream from an old-ass website, but that is more or less hacked together by us and not common for all shows in the house.The only legal restrictions are no profit and no explicit endorsements of political parties because of public money, which doesn't affect our music show. Other non-music shows in the house are ethnic minority radios, some show about local events and theatre stuff, mental health self help initiatives and education/ city history, that kind of things
(DIR) Post #AtIWQx8R6603orgY40 by p
2025-04-20T23:36:34.686351Z
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@dagda @Nimbius666 @irie That's really cool. > Our show is also available as a web stream from an old-ass website,I was gonna ask.> The only legal restrictions are no profit and no explicit endorsements of political parties because of public money, which doesn't affect our music show.Is there any weird encumbrance from the owners of the music, or can you mostly play whatever you can get onto the turntable?
(DIR) Post #AtIYGcnC4ko3jxx6Se by dagda@netzsphaere.xyz
2025-04-20T23:57:05.062820Z
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@p @Nimbius666 @irie https://www.freies-radio-kassel.de/live-stream.htmlThe show is live-only for online broadcast aswell and our date is mostly "when people have time" roughly once a month, name of the show is Aoxomoxoa, the Rock caleidoscope. I can give you the date when it's set.>Is there any weird encumbrance from the owners of the music, or can you mostly play whatever you can get onto the turntable?We have 2 guys who are always there and me and others who are semi-regularly there. We bring our physical copies mostly and have a legal public broadcasting license for basically playing anything without getting into trouble with copyright owners. Of course people are somewhat biased in their genres, you got the hippie guy, the heavy metal veteran, the funk expert, etc. I usually bring some zoomer spice with some post-punk, dark wave, goth rock, new indie stuff, etc. On my birthday I even insisted we play a song from Sonic Adventure 2 as a joke, you can really do anything. We also try to feature local bands a lot and indie bands that visit the region (including concert reviews)
(DIR) Post #AtIYgph0jePJHMYbvk by p
2025-04-21T00:01:51.489192Z
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@dagda @Nimbius666 @irie > https://www.freies-radio-kassel.de/live-stream.html> Aoxomoxoa, the Rock caleidoscope.Nice!> I can give you the date when it's set.Yeah, that would be awesome.> bring our physical copies mostly and have a legal public broadcasting license for basically playing anything without getting into trouble with copyright owners.That's awesome!> On my birthday I even insisted we play a song from Sonic Adventure 2Pro-gamer move.> We also try to feature local bands a lot and indie bands that visit the region (including concert reviews) Yeah, main thing I miss about LA next to the food: really good town for music.super_sonic_racing.webm
(DIR) Post #B6pUOrcnfhiTU56l6m by dagda@netzsphaere.xyz
2026-05-30T17:36:32.707018Z
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@p we're live in 25 minutes, 19:00 GMThttps://www.freies-radio-kassel.de/live-stream.html
(DIR) Post #B6pd47dvouqAfbp0SW by p
2026-05-30T19:13:40.599547Z
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@dagda Nice! Only 13 months. :brandt: Works in mplayer.
(DIR) Post #B6pf3PpEvtoigFtyL2 by dagda@netzsphaere.xyz
2026-05-30T19:35:56.003046Z
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@p my dedicated bloc with fren will be in about 25 minuteswe'll talk about latest concerts we visited, russian darkwave, canadian post-punk and hot new german death metal
(DIR) Post #B6pg1SIgrMvDjQJ2zA by dagda@netzsphaere.xyz
2026-05-30T19:46:47.225038Z
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@p >Nice! Only 13 monthsI had a rather large pause with the radio as rail construction was a huge pain in the ass forcing me to do ridiculously long alternative routes to reach it but now it's ok again
(DIR) Post #B6phwp2z3ou2jusVWK by p
2026-05-30T20:08:22.951655Z
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@dagda > russian darkwaveI think that is what I am hearing right now!
(DIR) Post #B6pi29g3mkEyAfhNFA by twinspin6@outerheaven.club
2026-05-30T20:09:04.611264Z
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@p @dagda indeed..
(DIR) Post #B6piHWgiVy1PsgKr4q by p
2026-05-30T20:12:07.454839Z
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@dagda I'm actually impressed you were able to find a post that old without DB access.
(DIR) Post #B6pisyfbROp3NdfkiO by miscbrains@misc.brainsoap.net
2026-05-30T20:18:52.765Z
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@p@fsebugoutzone.org @dagda@netzsphaere.xyz just tuned in to some some funky depeche mode sounding stuff. Pretty great.
(DIR) Post #B6piuuSe3pl8uCX6B6 by p
2026-05-30T20:19:14.510505Z
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@twinspin6 @dagda Eclectic shit goin' down, I'm into it.
(DIR) Post #B6pj2jGLa16IUVVcqO by twinspin6@outerheaven.club
2026-05-30T20:20:31.500355Z
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@p @dagda them russians are cooking
(DIR) Post #B6pj814emidpBEYvA0 by p
2026-05-30T20:21:36.635328Z
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@twinspin6 @dagda Hey, shoutouts!
(DIR) Post #B6pjFsrPCu0E1S7EG0 by miscbrains@misc.brainsoap.net
2026-05-30T20:23:01.010Z
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@p@fsebugoutzone.org @dagda@netzsphaere.xyz lol nice on air callout for @p@p@fsebugoutzone.org
(DIR) Post #B6pjKPWtgZYyVDgJns by miscbrains@misc.brainsoap.net
2026-05-30T20:23:50.453Z
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@p@fsebugoutzone.org @dagda@netzsphaere.xyz lol nice on air callout for @p@fsebugoutzone.org
(DIR) Post #B6pjd9fwr3F8pmqxEm by miscbrains@misc.brainsoap.net
2026-05-30T20:27:13.497Z
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@p@fsebugoutzone.org @dagda@netzsphaere.xyz great stream so far. current song gives me grauzone vibes
(DIR) Post #B6pjqO2ekidZ9fmfTc by p
2026-05-30T20:29:37.769236Z
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@twinspin6 @dagdamoeamerican.png
(DIR) Post #B6pkh9AYmLWwNPdfQO by smithy@shitposter.world
2026-05-30T20:39:09.441130Z
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@p @Nimbius666 Marx has glaring shortcomings in his thought (especially wrt LTV and certain economic presumptions) & his most notable adherents failed as well -- but I think part of the problem is that we take more modern (i.e. mid to late 20th century) Marxists at their word that his work is a singular, monolithic, coherent system of thought with clear correct interpretations. Taken piece-meal, I think there's a lot of value though, especially in regard to concepts of commodification, reification, and estrangement/alienation -- basically I think the guy had more value on a traditional philosophical and even psychological register rather than economic or sociological.
(DIR) Post #B6pkoazXjbEKh22OOW by smithy@shitposter.world
2026-05-30T20:40:30.289983Z
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@p @Nimbius666 I'd say eschew the Marx of (most) self-proclaimed Marxists, but don't throw the baby out w/the bath water - good pieces to scavenge
(DIR) Post #B6pl9R83bBiyBZxR2W by p
2026-05-30T20:44:16.638661Z
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@miscbrains @dagda Very good shit happening, I am into the things that are happening.
(DIR) Post #B6plCorJpN76eTk26a by miscbrains@misc.brainsoap.net
2026-05-30T20:44:52.476Z
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@p@fsebugoutzone.org @dagda@netzsphaere.xyz yeah it's been top tier so far.
(DIR) Post #B6plGfci6iRDANkF16 by p
2026-05-30T20:45:35.075993Z
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@twinspin6 @dagda :stalin:
(DIR) Post #B6plYbDfDh8MiiZwMS by miscbrains@misc.brainsoap.net
2026-05-30T20:48:48.595Z
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@p@fsebugoutzone.org @dagda@netzsphaere.xyz fuzzed out shoegaze cocteau twins totally works.
(DIR) Post #B6pmAmJWQ3FY8KWXc8 by p
2026-05-30T20:55:43.487599Z
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@miscbrains @dagda I got a shout-out on the radio!imontv.jpg
(DIR) Post #B6pp52u87h7HiFbaIC by p
2026-05-30T21:28:18.230578Z
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@smithy @Nimbius666 You're replying to a year-old post.> Taken piece-meal, I think there's a lot of valueEssentially, everything he said was in one of two categories: wrong or obvious.But I wasn't talking about Marx directly, and I think most of the stuff I read on there was Trotsky. That site has essentially everything from all of the Marxists; it aims to be complete, as far as I can tell, so there's no editorializing or bowdlerization or censorship or omissions or anything. If you want to read what they wrote, that's a great place to get it.
(DIR) Post #B6ppYsqu3plzDyK86i by smithy@shitposter.world
2026-05-30T21:33:41.501054Z
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@p @Nimbius666 My Bad! I am reaccustoming myself to pleroma and think I saw a more recent response in that thread or maybe it was reposted! Didn't even notice it was that oldAnd wrt marxists dot org -- yes, it's a very useful site. My point was that their idea that "Marxism" is a coherent whole, or at least something that has to be taken wholesale rather than piecemeal isn't true. My only disagreement would be that there is some not-wrong and non-trivial writing.
(DIR) Post #B6ppg9vQywNECcucHg by p
2026-05-30T21:35:00.669730Z
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@smithy @Nimbius666> I'd say eschew the Marx of (most) self-proclaimed Marxists, but don't throw the baby out w/the bath water - good pieces to scavengeThere is baby-throwing and then there's buying a salad at McDonald's: if you wanted a salad, you should have gone somewhere else.To borrow from :dmr:> Here is my metaphor: your book is a pudding stuffed with apposite observations, many well-conceived. Like excrement, it contains enough undigested nuggets of nutrition to sustain life for some. But it is not a tasty pie: it reeks too much of contempt and of envy.> Bon appetit!
(DIR) Post #B6pprurknXaYyJnTG4 by p
2026-05-30T21:37:08.161112Z
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@miscbrains @dagda I cannot understand most of the words except when there is some English or he says "minimalism" or if he uses famous fedi meme words like "genau".
(DIR) Post #B6pprvKp3SqCQTOgZE by ffaw@decayable.ink
2026-05-30T21:34:05.642789Z
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@p @miscbrains @dagda Sauce?
(DIR) Post #B6pqCRiCO5L8dK7JbM by miscbrains@misc.brainsoap.net
2026-05-30T21:40:45.956Z
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@p@fsebugoutzone.org @dagda@netzsphaere.xyz cocteau twins have many memes about the marble mouth.
(DIR) Post #B6pqTnM5AgzOgK2qW0 by dagda@netzsphaere.xyz
2026-05-30T21:43:57.654433Z
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@ffaw @p @miscbrains german indie radio, we also got a livestream hop onhttps://www.freies-radio-kassel.de/live-stream.html
(DIR) Post #B6pqqA6RHDbhbSORCC by p
2026-05-30T21:48:01.414071Z
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@smithy @Nimbius666 Yeah, the thread's recent activity has been about the stream, @dadga@netzphaere.xyz is a pirate radio that is also on the internet: https://stream-freies-radio-kassel.de/live.mp3
(DIR) Post #B6pqx8DofWC9nRAQfg by p
2026-05-30T21:49:17.015305Z
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@ffaw @dagda @miscbrains You just scroll up or you point something like mplaye ror mpv or VLC or maybe ffplay or something at https://stream-freies-radio-kassel.de/live.mp3vlc_lolis_vs_the_sex_offenders_that_made_mpv.jpgvlcchan.jpg
(DIR) Post #B6pr7HAiFQSARxYKf2 by ffaw@decayable.ink
2026-05-30T21:48:04.301749Z
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@p @miscbrains @dagda mpv vill always be my goat
(DIR) Post #B6pr99DYn9ekMNmFCi by p
2026-05-30T21:51:27.313786Z
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@miscbrains @dagda Oh, I was making a joke about not being able to understand the interstitial talk on the stream.
(DIR) Post #B6prsalfCxkQpuOkxU by miscbrains@misc.brainsoap.net
2026-05-30T21:59:39.159Z
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@p@fsebugoutzone.org @dagda@netzsphaere.xyz i do not sprechen ze deutche either. I heard your callout and some of the band names. It works in both regards though. Heh
(DIR) Post #B6psFvaLyVU03rEeiu by p
2026-05-30T22:03:53.137152Z
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@miscbrains @dagda I can understand the current song: "Cop killa, cop killa!" :dorner:Wizo - RAF.mp3
(DIR) Post #B6psZp6DncbLjkd14y by twinspin6@outerheaven.club
2026-05-30T22:07:20.614217Z
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@p @miscbrains @dagda https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdLiqQQWdks
(DIR) Post #B6pt3j6KfIIvoywHeS by dagda@netzsphaere.xyz
2026-05-30T22:12:51.659797Z
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@twinspin6 @p @miscbrains the last (post midnight) song is not on the recorded rerun so we usually pick something silly that's a hard style break or very vulgar for fun
(DIR) Post #B6pt8nZxRaZj9nDNQG by dagda@netzsphaere.xyz
2026-05-30T22:13:47.679570Z
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@twinspin6 @miscbrains @p we usually don't feature hip hop very much
(DIR) Post #B6ptgHmUAs7SNp2hAe by p
2026-05-30T22:19:51.252782Z
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@dagda @twinspin6 @miscbrains It was a good choice, ha.
(DIR) Post #B6pxfpE6js8JdizxQG by dagda@netzsphaere.xyz
2026-05-30T23:04:33.926181Z
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@p @miscbrains @twinspin6 :blobcatancap: :blobcatancap: :blobcatancap: :blobcatancap: :blobcatancap: :blobcatancap: :blobcatancap: They say tears are the blood of the soulAnd five out of ten cops are sons of bitches[Hook]Cop-killer, cop-killer[Part 1]Scarf around my neck, 'cause today's payday"Fuck peace," Satan whispers to meWe've been oppressed too many times and bitten by the police dogEven as a teenager, they punched me in the faceHandcuffs on our wrists, bruisesAnd they beat us with a batonKicks to the ribs, pepper spray, a hundred millilitersIn front of civilians right in the middle of the cityLeather gloves as protection for the fistOur bones are bruised, both eyes blackYou fucking cops, just keep on with your mad cow diseaseUntil they say: “The Cop-Killer has arrived”[Hook]Cop-KillerCop-Killer[Part 2]I sweat the cuffs shut and throw my eyes openNo interest in silver handcuffs on my brown skinThe narcotics squad is corrupt, just like customsThey fuck you with three, but only one goes in the reportWhat’s that about? Ask the prosecutorThe coked-out one’s hanging out in the evidence roomHe takes seventy grams—that’ll be enough for a monthReplaces it with mannitol—no one’ll notice, right?Fuck the law book, blow it, Lady JusticeToday’s a day of blood revenge, bro, reload the UzisYou fucking cops, just keep driving your mad cow diseaseUntil they say: “The cop-killer has arrived”They say tears are the blood of the soulAnd five out of ten cops are sons of bitches:blobcatancap: :blobcatancap: :blobcatancap: :blobcatancap: :blobcatancap: :blobcatancap: :blobcatancap:
(DIR) Post #B6q1sIBfI0dGkd3X9s by p
2026-05-30T23:51:39.853737Z
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@dagda @miscbrains @twinspin6 :satansmile: :ancapchanlol:
(DIR) Post #B6rB4g5rKEz97FHU5A by smithy@shitposter.world
2026-05-31T13:09:27.126172Z
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@p @Nimbius666 very fun — caught some jazz last night. Is it 24/7?
(DIR) Post #B6rwYWxUY6t7Jk6VWq by p
2026-05-31T22:01:29.417484Z
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@smithy @Nimbius666 It was pretty fun when @dadga@netzsphaere.xyz was DJing; jazz guy came on afterwards.
(DIR) Post #B6rwok5NVhLkfEWUqm by p
2026-05-31T22:04:25.212392Z
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@smithy @Nimbius666 > @dadga@netzsphaere.xyzGOD FUCKINGThe *one* time I spell the domain correctly, I transpose two letters in dagda's name.
(DIR) Post #B6yDz8uavVZWj3mezA by dorkvalized
2026-06-03T22:45:03.176816Z
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@p @dagda @Nimbius666 @irie Hi, this is me, with a belated load of fucks. haha hoho.pdf53b99af5312ce013aa0520b37bbef3728ad59d28efcd0a8685d4df363dcd6ad3.jpg
(DIR) Post #B6yGmP4bpKI6wp5KxU by p
2026-06-03T23:16:21.946067Z
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@dorkvalized @Nimbius666 @dagda @irie Oh, shit! This should be interesting.> Stalin called fascists “crows donning peacocks’ plumage” and never accepted them as a socialist state in any serious wayWell, "buddies" as in "military and economic allies", not "BFFs".
(DIR) Post #B6yHEepGqv1tubNpI0 by RedTechEngineer@snac.lowpassfilter.link
2026-06-03T23:19:38Z
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The Federalist papers are a better read.fedpapes<<<<@Nimbius666@comp.lain.la @p@fsebugoutzone.org
(DIR) Post #B6yLDXAQF4VRgYzqGO by dorkvalized
2026-06-04T00:06:05.339029Z
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@irie @p @Nimbius666 The higher I scroll this thread, the dumber it gets, lol. Well, congratulations, you have discovered one of the 9000⁹⁰⁰⁰ antisoviet books, of which I’ve seen so many, that at some point thrown off the bulk (since it’s just a cack-handed copypaste) and started to collect only the oldest and most hilarious examples. In regard to this particular piece of mindretch I can say two things: 1) The Bund couldn’t be the founders of the Bolshevik party, because they were a separate fucking thing from RSDRP (Russian social democrat party), the part of which (until 1918) the Bolsheviks were. Basically, there was not even any official “Bolshevik party”, because before the revolution they were a part of RSDRP (the common social democratic party), and after the revolution there was only the All-Russian Communist party, which had in parentheses – “of Bolsheviks”. Where “Bolsheviks” was written with a low letter, because it was a term for the people comprising a fraction inside RSDRP, and not a party name per se or of any society. “Bolsheviks” is spelled with a capital letter in English because it’s, duh, English. So, there was RSDRP, and it had two wings: more leaning to bourgeoisie, the left, and the foreign capital, and the wing more insisting on the “power to the people” side. The former were mensheviks, the latter were bolsheviks. Members of Bund (tens of thousands) decided to join MENSHEVIK side of RSDRP. And now the tricky bit, which the author of the drivel you posted clearly didn’t know: in 1903, on the II Congress of RSDRP, there happened the split on mensheviks and bolsheviks. And after the split each side in the published materials claimed to be the one, the only true RSDRP. So, if one doesn’t read carefully, without looking which side of RSDRP claimed something between 1903 and 1918, one may get the wrong impression of events. It is indeed, truth, that some influential mensheviks later joined the bolsheviks, like Trotsky, under whose command was the army, but there hardly were many others who were tolerated for their influence. And tolerated for the time being. 2) First of all, like Wikipedia tells us, there were “tens of thousands” of Bund members. While at the time of October revolution there was 200 000 – 240 000 in bolshevik ranks (according to Molotov, whose party id card was number 5). How they can “spearhead” something this way is not clear. Secondly, the former mensheviks were always a pain in the ass for both Lenin and Stalin, so they were pressed out more and more for every non-Communist step they would take. I can get you a short list of bodies of executive power in SU since 1917, on 35 pages, you can check it for Bund members, if you wish. [BTN] Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei - 03 (1280x720 h264 BD FLAC) [6D1594D4]_00:13:21.300.jpg
(DIR) Post #B6yMLQAwDkVmGvYw8e by p
2026-06-04T00:18:43.170092Z
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@dorkvalized @irie @Nimbius666 > The higher I scroll this threadIt is a thread from a year ago.
(DIR) Post #B6yOGHR1USuPcklKme by dorkvalized
2026-06-04T00:40:12.020038Z
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@p @Nimbius666 …the dumber it gets.> either lost to fascists be a German Communist in Germanytell your son what’s going on in the world, tell about how workers defended their power in Russiatell how there are bolsheviks who achieved thistell your son, that if the nazis come to power, they’ll be glad to lay ten more millions of Germans into the earth for their profitsit’s 1932 outsidecome to a peaceful demonstration with your comradesan assault squad out of nowhere is attacking youthey are armed, and none of you arepolice comestakes the side of the assault squadyou die in the clash from a bulletIn my opinion, trying to act peacefully is a police state is doomed to fail. On the other hand, since there was no means like instant messaging and sekrit telegram channels, it was easy for the state to hush the information, and continuing to kill the activists. If you have a better idea how to use your right for free speech in a situation like this, I’m all ears.> …or, once they got power, were indistinguishable from fascists.Yeah I can just see Lenin gassing everyone doing commerce, down to kids selling hand-made lemonade. I can just see Stalin whispering to Roosevelt on the eve of the Cold war: “Hey, buddy, you need to invade Brasil, so much oil, hmm!” while glaring at Alaska and thinking how good Russians would live on those southern latitudes… if only the land would be somehow cleared from the Americans… Yet Roosevelt half-jokingly said to his assistant, that he’d be fine, if all the matters of the world would be relayed to Churchill, Uncle Joe, and him.
(DIR) Post #B6yOc8GEHQONXf8La4 by dorkvalized
2026-06-04T00:44:08.979889Z
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@p @Nimbius666 @irie You have reposted something from here, and it appeared on my timeline, because I’m following you. Take responsibility now! [Commie] Takamiya Nasuno Desu! - 01 [A24A2396]_0005.jpg
(DIR) Post #B6yPFWNmWtQXeFRrO4 by dorkvalized
2026-06-04T00:51:16.096666Z
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@p @Nimbius666 @irie Or, perhaps, you’re implying that posts from a year ago suffer from a sort of MP3 bit rot? [SubsPlease] Tokidoki Bosotto Russia-go de Dereru Tonari no Alya-san - 07 (1080p) [ECB7B60A] 6:29.68–6:30.97 [LFL-1].webm
(DIR) Post #B6yPQIjrb60KWAuvY0 by dorkvalized
2026-06-04T00:53:12.987006Z
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@p @Nimbius666 @dagda @irie On the part of economic ties I agree, but on the military side it was “here – yes, there – no”. And, if you read that .pdf, you’ll see, that even the part where it was a “yes” there were still confrontations.
(DIR) Post #B6yQ1l5RAAx99UrwY4 by p
2026-06-04T00:59:59.159834Z
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@dorkvalized @Nimbius666 > trying to act peacefully is a police state is doomed to failLike trying to be peaceful and own two cows in the USSR.> Yeah I can just see Lenin gassing everyone doing commerceWell, they called it "dekulaization" and "Red Terror" but more or less.> Yet Roosevelt half-jokingly said to his assistant, that he’d be fine, if all the matters of the world would be relayed to Churchill, Uncle Joe, and him. Churchill was the only reasonable person of the three and even then.FDR was an idiot and a technocratic Malthusian nihilist, same as Stalin but with a different domestic landscape.
(DIR) Post #B6yQ7IxAfujvdTeCQK by p
2026-06-04T01:00:59.302056Z
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@dorkvalized @Nimbius666 @irie Well, it is a thread. It has recently come back to life for reasons I do not remember.
(DIR) Post #B6yQAqbq02OYt1MGiO by p
2026-06-04T01:01:37.716624Z
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@dorkvalized @Nimbius666 @irie I'm just saying that it is an old thread.
(DIR) Post #B6yQi974DxlhpZqLwm by p
2026-06-04T01:07:38.794721Z
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@dorkvalized @Nimbius666 @dagda @irie I'm off to dinner but I will have a look at it.> even the part where it was a “yes” there were still confrontationsSame as when he switched to the other side after Barbarossa. Sucked for Poland.In fact, the last days of Nazi Germany were pretty fascinating: Stalin was adamant on the point that soldiers stationed in the east not be allowed to surrender to the US/UK because is concern was that there was going to be a counteroffensive against the Soviet incursions and this was justified because this is what the German troops wanted to do: if they were going to be occupied, they'd rather be occupied by the US than USSR. Eisenhower wasn't confident that Hitler really was dead and suspected a ploy that was designed to start the US/USSR fighting to buy Hitler time to start an insurgency from the south. Churchill was in favor but was in the same boat as Eisenhower. FDR loved Stalin, though, so he would never give the order.
(DIR) Post #B6yQskWI09K0k3hGyW by p
2026-06-04T01:09:33.772733Z
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@dorkvalized @Nimbius666 > FDR was an idiot and a technocratic Malthusian nihilist, same as StalinBy which I mean that Stalin was a technocratic Malthusian nihilist, not that he was also an idiot. Of the three, FDR was the only idiot.
(DIR) Post #B6yQztNlRuj2Fu7Dgu by ins0mniak
2026-06-04T01:10:51.224964Z
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@p @Nimbius666 @dorkvalized Mencken had some great work on Roosevelt.
(DIR) Post #B6yTLOILuZW67RxmBU by dorkvalized
2026-06-04T01:37:08.947063Z
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@p @Nimbius666 > Like trying to be peaceful and own two cows in the USSR.Like ask for work and be sent to die on some malaria infested swamp in the USA.> Well, they called it "dekulaization" and "Red Terror" but more or less.The newspapers stamps. To deserve a bullet would require to join an organised crime group. That is, hide grain, burn homes, kill people, bring devastation to the land, stir up revolts and make them do the aforementioned things. Basically to be hard against the law. The father of the man who interviewed Molotov, was a kulak. He was stubborn and refused to yield what he owned, to then live like the others, by his own labour. So he was sent to a labour camp, and returned from there a rather huge man, met his son again, they opened a bottle of vodka and discussed why and how it happened.> Churchill was the only reasonable person of the threeFound an English spy *blows whistle*> FDR was an idiot and a technocratic Malthusian nihilist, Well, it is your president, so you can call him whatever names.> same as Stalinand for that I’l like to see an explanation.
(DIR) Post #B6yWJr2AODEcXDLqJE by Nimbius666@comp.lain.la
2026-06-04T02:10:27.228261Z
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@dorkvalized @p Churchill is also directly responsible for the Bengal famine.
(DIR) Post #B6yawlIW3BdBr1o4O0 by dorkvalized
2026-06-04T03:02:20.291641Z
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@p @Nimbius666 @dagda @irie > Same as when he switched to the other side after Barbarossa. Sucked for Poland.I’m getting confused. Who’s he and what other side?> soldiers stationed in the east not be allowed to surrender to the US/UKBecause the Soviets knew about how surrendered German divisions are not being disbanded, and instead put on rations and train for something. In fact, the 12 German division that were on the west, were disbanded only in January 1946.> because is concern was that there was going to be a counteroffensive against the Soviet incursions What incursions? I have an abridged version of the “Unthinkable” of 22 May 1945. And the number one item under “Goals” says “The general political goal [of the operation] is to foist the will of the United states and the British empire upon the Russians.” Don’t ask me, how the “British empire” got there. > what the German troops wanted to do: if they were going to be occupied, they'd rather be occupied by the US than USSR.They didn’t get to choose. And as to whom they can surrender – of course. The German high command thought about it before the troops. I’ve read somewhere that the Northern line of defence yielded easily, because the Anglos and the Americans have bought a high-ranked army general (Rommel?) and convinced him to surrender and betray the painter in the bomb shelter.> Eisenhower wasn't confident that Hitler really was dead and suspected a ploy that was designed to start the US/USSR fighting to buy Hitler time to start an insurgency from the south.That’s interesting. But where from the south? I remember, that some remains were to the south, and some – to north-east (the latter being very scarce, though). It’s just hard to imagine, where could such considerable forces hide to suddenly jump out of the shadows and hit the USSR, US, UK, and some French armed forces? Remembering how you and the British turned Montecassino into a pile of rocks, it doesn’t seem like the rest of the places could survive better.> Churchill was in favor but was in the same boat as Eisenhower. FDR loved Stalin, though, so he would never give the order.Hmm, I would think that “FDR loved Stalin” is his opponents smearing dirt on him for being a “socialist”. FDR was for allowing government more control (which in turn allowed social services to function and then that sweet life, that boomers enjoyed). The primary goal was… it’s hard to tell. Anyway, I guess that oil, logistics and real estate big shots didn’t like him for making their existence more difficult (taxation, inspections etc.). The increase of government control is what happened in Europe too, so that was sort of development stage for the modern states. And as for “FDR would never…” our books say it was either because on the day when the attack on the USSR should’ve happened (July 1st), the US and UK found, that Soviet positions have suddenly changed – or because when in the USA they counted what would it cost to fight Japan without USSR, they’ve already postponed the idea.
(DIR) Post #B6ycJRUPxibr2Fkhou by p
2026-06-04T03:17:38.529563Z
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@dorkvalized @Nimbius666 > Like ask for work and be sent to die on some malaria infested swamp in the USA.I ain't said that FDR was not a murderous psychopath, just that Stalin was. "Yeah but you" is some shit I don't even let a girlfriend get away with, so it's like, is it okay to terrorize the peasants or not? I don't think it is, regardless of who has done it.> That is, hide grain"If you hide grain, you're an enemy of the state" is already bad enough.> burn homes, kill people, bring devastation to the land, stir up revolts and make them do the aforementioned thingsTo do those things *unsuccessfully* was the crime. Stalin does it and because his revolutionaries won, he was the law.> He was stubborn and refused to yield what he ownedSounds like a goddamn hero, yes.> Found an English spy *blows whistle*:churchillsmug:> Well, it is your president, so you can call him whatever names.I'll call anyone whatever names. I'll say Stalin was worse, but I'll hedge by saying it's possibly only because Stalin could get away with it and FDR could not.> and for that I’l like to see an explanation. Well, I'll grant you, if I shit on Hitler or Lenin people argue but if I shit on Stalin, almost no one ever does. See Khrushchev's speech, which agrees with the historical record in the US.
(DIR) Post #B6ycci7MMbDI6n9fHs by p
2026-06-04T03:21:07.470166Z
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@Nimbius666 @dorkvalized "It's fake and a lie if you mention the USSR famines and the ones that weren't fake were the US's fault, and Stalin stops being terrible if Churchill was also bad."
(DIR) Post #B6ycuxxEDpiwRB7Yem by lolitechengineer@loli.church
2026-06-04T03:24:19.797Z
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@p@fsebugoutzone.org @Nimbius666@comp.lain.la @dorkvalized@fsebugoutzone.org look man, all the sensible and intelligent people long left that continent by that point. They were doing the best with what they had.
(DIR) Post #B6ykVjSxkcVrtfRWnA by dorkvalized
2026-06-04T04:49:30.207758Z
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@p @Nimbius666 > I ain't said that FDR was not a murderous psychopath, just that Stalin was.“Look, maybe FDR was a murderous psychopath – even though I’m not calling him one – but I’m calling Stalin being one, that I do, yes” Names, names, names…> "Yeah but you" is some shit I……that you’ve started here. I was speaking of Germany, and you seem to have taken it personally, for some reason. Taking a glance at the timeline, I understand the reason, why the attention may be not so good, as well as the cause of irritation after discussing a Latvian retard. Still, I hoped that this conversation could be at least a degree more substantial. Alas.> "If you hide grain, you're an enemy of the state" is already bad enough.Hide as in “refuse to give a portion of grain that’s due to the state and proportionate to the acreage of land, and pretend you don’t have any”. Don’t make me recite centuries old papers, it’s not a funny pastime.> To do those things *unsuccessfully* was the crime. The “success” being continuing to exploit the local farmers like under tzars, but now on the burned down land, giving the people grain in credit with a high interest, so that they will have to work on your gang’s fields this and the next year, and get them into the good old debt loop that is impossible to break? > Stalin does it and because his revolutionaries won, he was the law.I can see why Vatican, Monaco or some Sealand (lol) may neglect offences to the law. But I thought you were living in a country somewhat bigger than that.> Sounds like a goddamn hero, yes.My bad, “owed”. It’s been too long since my day started.> I'll call anyone whatever names. I’d like to think, that the street is only a street, if I didn’t remember what Plutarch wrote about two youths in “Dionisius the Elder”.> I'll say… but I'll hedge Choose one.> Well, I'll grant you, if I shit on Hitler or Lenin people argue I can see, why, but I probably wouldn’t agree with any of them.> but if I shit on Stalin, almost no one ever does. By that logic, if no one spoke of Australia, it shouldn’t exist. What would we do without atlases and encyclopedias…> See Khrushchev's speech, which agrees with the historical record in the US.“My state approves this version of the history of your country”? Well, if you’re going to stand on Khruschiov’s point, I have good news for you: when the USSR collapsed and the archives were opened, it turned out, that all 61 accusations against Stalin were lies. I could bring some from my mind, but writing would be exhaustive. I could reference some books, including the interviews with people who were silenced for the rest of their lives to make Khruschiov look “uncontested”. But I also know of one author, an American historian, whose work is just specialised on this subject. I’ll try to attach it.> :churchillsmug:сталин_playful.jpgGF_.pdf
(DIR) Post #B6ymlckufTDTctXpNw by p
2026-06-04T05:14:47.128006Z
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@dorkvalized @Nimbius666 @dagda @irie > I’m getting confused. Who’s he and what other side?Stalin was allied with Hitler until Barbarossa (that is, until long after the fall of Warsaw, and Stalin kept Poland after the war), after which he changed to the Allies.> Because the Soviets knew about how surrendered German divisions are not being disbanded, and instead put on rations and train for something.That is what halted the Soviet expansion, yes.> What incursions?All of the ones that were obvious from the USSR expansion that persisted until the wall came down. Poland, Germany, attempts at Romania, etc.> “The general political goal [of the operation] is to foist the will of the United states and the British empire upon the Russians.”Yes, FDR was (explicitly) attempting to set up global governance...just like Stalin, who was actually under discussion. I'm not taking FDR's side of anything: I view FDR, Hitler, and Stalin as essentially terrible.> They didn’t get to choose.Yes. Stalin made this a condition.> because the Anglos and the Americans have bought a high-ranked army general (Rommel?) and convinced him to surrender and betray the painter in the bomb shelter.Doesn't sound plausible, but feel free. Hitler suggested that they surrender to US/UK wherever possible and I think it's reasonable to say that the PoWs taken by the US/UK had better treatment.> That’s interesting. But where from the south?I think they thought he'd gotten to the woods: the USSR hadn't made it there yet and there were a lot of areas that hadn't been brought under control in the weeks after Germany attempted to surrender.> Remembering how you and the British turned Montecassino into a pile of rocks, it doesn’t seem like the rest of the places could survive better.Well you can't burn all the forests in Europe. But I'm not sure what you're contesting. I say that their thinking was that they hadn't occupied all of Germany yet and were concerned that Hitler was marshalling forces away from the front and that his death was faked as a cover for an escape: that is what they thought, and you can speculate that it's not reasonable to think this but we have hindsight.> Hmm, I would think that “FDR loved Stalin” is his opponents smearing dirt on himNo, you can look at what Churchill said; FDR didn't want a war with Stalin, however you want to paint it.> being a “socialist”.His wife was in the goddamn socialist club in New York. I don't know what you want.> The primary goal was… it’s hard to tell.If I take his word for it, technocratic Malthusian nihilism, including population control. You just have to read what he said and what his friends (Dulles, Rockefeller, et al) said: they didn't expect this would get published on the internet and you could back then take for granted that it was easier to control the flow of information. It was easy for people not to notice things that had been stated explicitly. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's just the shit the people in question were explicit about pushing, and they were explicit about the means and methods and motivation.> And as for “FDR would never…” our books say it was either because on the day when the attack on the USSR should’ve happened (July 1st), the US and UK found, that Soviet positions have suddenly changedContemporary writing from the generals in question had FDR focused on Japan and Churchill as the only one that wanted a war with the USSR.> because when in the USA they counted what would it cost to fight Japan without USSR, they’ve already postponed the idea.This is one of the reasons the US would never have attacked the USSR. The Manchuria push was critical to stopping Japan.
(DIR) Post #B6ynN9xSBYuVJeJCV6 by p
2026-06-04T05:21:34.157935Z
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@lolitechengineer @Nimbius666 @dorkvalized Yeah, maybe I'm setting the bar too high.
(DIR) Post #B6yqkuoaREA3ABBFj6 by p
2026-06-04T05:59:28.645002Z
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@dorkvalized @Nimbius666 > “Look, maybe FDR was a murderous psychopath – even though I’m not calling him one – but I’m calling Stalin being one, that I do, yes” You keep talking like I've ever said a single word in FDR's defense or like FDR has anything to do with the conversation or a post I made a year ago about how socialist authors are not really worth reading. I'm talking about socialist authors, not Stalin (murderous psychopath) "YEAH BUT YOU" so FDR (worst president we have ever had and the beginning of the shitty things that have plagued not only this country but the earth in the years since) isn't relevant unless you want to draw attention away from all of the terrible socialist states which was itself a diversion from terrible socialist authors. It's a way to confuse an internet argument, not a way to assess anything.> I was speaking of Germany, and you seem to have taken it personally, for some reason.This is almost certainly you reading into it things that are not present. My position on Germany remains "surrender be damned, we nuked the wrong country".> Still, I hoped that this conversation could be at least a degree more substantial. Alas.Thirteen months ago, I was dismissive about socialist authors (whom I have read and I found nothing redeeming). I don't know what you think the conversation is supposed to be. The reason the thread came back was that dagda was DJing. In as few words as possible, what are you hoping to discuss?> Hide as in “refuse to give a portion of grain that’s due to the state and proportionate to the acreage of land, and pretend you don’t have any”.As Kasparov noted, the first year they demand you share, the second year they accuse you of hoarding, and the third year you're hauled to the gulag. The state is a parasite; socialist states are just somewhat more aggressive.> The “success” being continuing to exploit the local farmers like under tzarsRight, the USSR never exploited farmers.The crime was being on the losing end: a revolutionary that loses is a brigand. That's all. We ourselves had a revolt and history would have recorded it differently had the fortunes been reversed; we had another revolt and it was put down and the perpetrators of that revolt were recorded as misguided. This is how history works: the victors write the history books.> My bad, “owed”.Taxation is theft and the state is a parasite.> I’d like to think, that the street is only a street,I can say a street I've driven is a pain in the ass, I can say it's a nice street with broad lanes and little traffic, but a man is not a street. I can characterize Stalin however I like; you may disagree and characterize him however you like. > Choose one.I will say that, although I hate FDR, he was held back by the domestic situation and given that, I'd rather have lived under FDR in the US than Stalin in the USSR. Now, I can also say, you know, if the option was to live under Stalin in the USSR or FDR in the USSR, I would have to flip a coin, because I don't think there would be much difference.> By that logic, if no one spoke of Australia, it shouldn’t exist.I was just remarking that it is unusual to hear someone attempt to defend Stalin. That's all.> “My state approves this version of the history of your country”?No, "Here are the things that the USSR and USA both agreed on, so there is very little reason to argue unless you can demonstrate that both had an incentive to lie about this specific topic."> all 61 accusations against Stalin were lies.I've heard similar about Hitler. Khrushchev knew Stalin personally; I don't think it is a stretch to say that Khrushchev's remarks that Stalin built a cult of personality is far from the truth. You are free to disagree.> But I also know of one author, an American historianAn American and a Soviet were arguing. The American says that the American way is superior because of our freedom of speech. The Soviet says "We have that, too." The American says, "No, you don't: I can go to Capitol Hill in the middle of Washington DC and stand up and announce to everyone in the capital that the American president is a dangerous idiot. That's real freedom of speech!" And the Russian says, "We have that, yes." And the American gets incredulous and says, "No, you can't do the same thing!" So the Russian responds, "Of course I can: I can go to the middle of Red Square, stand on a soapbox, get a bullhorn, and announce to everyone in Moscow that the American president is a dangerous idiot!"parasite.jpg
(DIR) Post #B6zRfegAhR7ByWbDXs by Nimbius666@comp.lain.la
2026-06-04T12:53:05.930038Z
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@p @dorkvalized youre missing the point. Communism learns and adapts through a process called self criticism and scientific socialism. Stalin wasn't perfect, and was analyzed thoroughly during the process of kruschev led destalinization. In the wider context intellectuals of the renmin ribao and CCP also delivered criticism that drove admissions of Stalins failures by soviet leadership itself. Stalins leftist dogmatism and cult of personality were both directly attributed in the documents of the CCP (the great debate, 1960-1963) as having a serious impact on governing the country effectively. Its why in 2026 you dont see Chinese media with memes of Xi Jinping; Stalins cult of personality drove his paranoia, which is a failure Chinese scholars seek to avoid repeating. On Churchill I struggle to recall even an account by Parliament or passing admission of guilt related to churchills racist tirade against Bengal and its ensuing famine. Royalists will insist it never happened, prime ministers will praise his military genius, and the media will jovially recall fond tales of his love of drink and smoke.But because capitalism does not self reflect or study its failures, it is doomed to an endless cycle of repeat and ruin.
(DIR) Post #B6zrS6zHFeGCWdjqPQ by p
2026-06-04T17:41:59.728553Z
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@Nimbius666 @dorkvalized > scientific socialismNo, this is exactly the pretense that turned the naive philosophy of French positivism into the hellish technocratic Malthusian nihilism that the earth currently enjoys. What you are describing is a justification for society-wide engineering. "Scientific governance" has been a plague and it has given us the worst disasters of the 20th century and has created the excesses of the 21st century. It's a core facet underpinning socialism (which Marx sold as "scientific" at a time when "science" was a buzzword; cf., "Christian Science") as well as all of the disastrous policies from every other "We can just add up the numbers and quantify human suffering" motherfucker from Dulles to Rockefeller to McNamara to Ford to George Bush and Hillary Clinton. Utilitarianism's fatal conceit is not materially different from consequentialism's. This is a disease and all of the institutional corrections you throw at it won't stop it from being a means of top-down governance and refusing to leave people alone.The core supposition of these totalizing ideologies is that society is to be managed. Socialists always treat that as a given. You see institutions like the World Bank Group as some sort of capitalist conspiracy for which socialism is a cure and they are not different in any important way: the fundamental divide is attempting to engineer humanity versus staying out of humanity's way. Even if we run with your (terrible) premise that only communism is capable of self-correction, "self-correction" means that you can successively approximate an optimal form of totalitarianism: it's still totalitarianism. Anyone that threatens a subsistence farmer with state authority is a goddamn monster, full stop.> Stalin wasn't perfect"Hitler wasn't perfect."> On Churchill I struggle to recall even an account by Parliament or passing admission of guilt related to churchills racist tirade against Bengal and its ensuing famine.I don't hear Marx, Stalin, FDR, or Gandhi apologizing for any of their racist tirades. I don't know what that has to do with anything. I don't think Stalin apologized for Holodomor to the Party Congress.Churchill knew what Hitler was. This is really all that was needed for the time and place. Hitler had to attack Stalin for Stalin to give up on the alliance.> But because capitalism does not self reflect or study its failuresThis is because you see exactly two branches, and it sounds like if you talk to a cop and the cop literally refers to the people he arrests as "the bad guys". There are authoritarians that see humans as something to be managed rather than led, humanity as cattle, and there are people that see human life and liberty as an end in itself and that get out of the way of letting humans live. I don't care which flag they're waving: either they leave people alone or they don't.Robert_McNamara_official_portrait.jpgsocialism_souffle.png
(DIR) Post #B6ztX2UVazXjw8p9IP by Nimbius666@comp.lain.la
2026-06-04T18:05:16.854136Z
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@p @dorkvalized I dont know how you arrived at any of these conclusions outside the pages of a sci fi novel. Scientific socialism in Marxism is the application of historical materialism to the development of socialism. Scientific socialism is a method for understanding and predicting social, economic and material phenomena by examining their historical trends through the use of the scientific method in order to derive probable outcomes and probable future developments. It is in contrast to what later socialists referred to as utopian socialism—a method based on establishing seemingly rational propositions for organizing society and convincing others of their rationality and/or desirability
(DIR) Post #B6zuWdv93125gfeqWW by p
2026-06-04T18:16:25.771043Z
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@Nimbius666 @dorkvalized > Scientific socialism in Marxism is the application of historical materialism to the development of socialism.I know what's on the brochure. You wanna talk about sci-fi, Lysenkoism is historical materialism applied to plants because Marx said that Darwin was wrong about competition.Do "science" on someone else, and make sure it's far enough that I can't smell the mass graves from here.
(DIR) Post #B7693CQypM2uInj6AK by MelGibsonafter4Beers@poa.st
2026-06-07T18:27:25.529270Z
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Tfw Stalin considered himself a "Russified Asian" man.
(DIR) Post #B769JMDUDychH77TFI by MelGibsonafter4Beers@poa.st
2026-06-07T18:30:21.601047Z
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"Whatever else may divide us, Europe is our common home; a common fate has linked us through the centuries, and it continues to link us today." -Leonid Brezhnev
(DIR) Post #B76b2hu98J0WKhvEtE by p
2026-06-07T23:41:06.189173Z
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@MelGibsonafter4Beers @dorkvalized @Nimbius666 @irie @dagda I mean, Turks were called "Asians" back when Stalin were wee.
(DIR) Post #B76b7EPiCsd0JgqOxs by p
2026-06-07T23:41:55.252233Z
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@MelGibsonafter4Beers @dorkvalized @Nimbius666 @irie @dagda That is onnacounta Europe is a serf continent.
(DIR) Post #B76dNeuDg3z51Q4hDE by genmaicha@stereophonic.space
2026-06-08T00:07:16.686706Z
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@Nimbius666 tried that ~6 years ago. materialism is nothing compared to elite theory, and the modern left is a bucket of crabs, not worth engaging with at all.
(DIR) Post #B78uiACJ8Fx1OronNg by dorkvalized
2026-06-09T02:30:54.786545Z
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@p @Nimbius666 @dagda @irie > Stalin was allied with Hitler … after which he changed to the Allies.If Stalin were to be allied with Hitler, as you allege, then 1) Hitler would demand USSR’s help in the war with England or publish a bitter note like “y u no helpings us Josep?” 2) England would hardly help USSR with lend-lease, if Stalin attacked it earlier. The possibility to act together with UK and U.S. would be automatically closed for USSR. Also, the “Allied side” formed only in December 1941, after the Japanese attack on Pearl harbor forced the U.S. to join the war. Before that the country was neutral.> That is what halted the Soviet expansion, yes.Now to recall, what the plan of the Soviet Union expansion after defeating Germany was called like?[ ] Operation Unthinkable[ ] Operation Pincher[ ] Operation Dropshot> All of the ones that were obvious from the USSR expansion that persisted until the wall came down. Poland, Germany, attempts at Romania, etc.@p… Neither Poland, nor any part of Germany, nor Romania were ever included in USSR, and there was not even an intention to include them. As the result of the Conference at Potsdam the USSR borders have expanded. But by this the USSR mostly received the lands, which formerly belonged to the Russian empire and were forcibly taken away during the Intervention of 1918–1920. The Soviet Russia back then had to repeatedly fend off Austrian and German forces, then the French, and finally the Poles (led by the French again). It worth to mention, that Stalin, a former narkom (minister) of nationalities, has drawn the new borders according to how nations lived on the land: thus Belarussian people, for example, were finally united into one republic of their own, without having to fear, that Poland would wipe their culture and the language away. Same for the Baltic states, Ukraine and Moldova (then often called Bessarabia). These acquisitions were legitimate and acknowledged by other powers. The same way the South Sakhalin and Kuril islands came back home after 1945 (Japan made Imperial Russia cede them after the 1905–1907 Russo-Japanese war). The only thing, that “sticks out” is the Kaliningrad oblast attached to RSFSR as an exclave. However, 1) it was owned by Russian empire not long ago; 2) legit acquisition through Potsdam conference; 3) Poland shouldn’t feel offended, for it was given (back) a large piece of land on the north, which Germans cut off of Poland after WWI.> Yes, FDR was (explicitly) attempting to set up global governance...By whom, you forgot to add.> just like StalinAnd you, of course, have proofs of that?> I'm not taking FDR's side of anything: I view FDR, Hitler, and Stalin as essentially terrible.Why an exception for the pot-bellied one?> Yes. Stalin made this a condition.More like the German command, that chose for the German people and that sent them to Russia to pillage, devastate and murder – allowing this all officially – is what sealed their fate, rather than someone else. What you sow, that you shall reap.> Doesn't sound plausible, but feel free. H. Smith and G. Ritter write about his at length. The latter estimated this chance (for the German high command) as having a vague perspective, but still better than a total capitulation, certainly better than the conditions, on which it happened in reality.> Hitler suggested that they surrender to US/UK wherever possible Yeah, yeah, I can just see Hitler standing in front of the armies lined up in blocks before their departing to Normandy. Trembling voice through loudspeakers says: “you’re my good soldiers… you’re going to defend the country… I will be missing you. *sob* Try not to get cold. Wear warm socks. If it will be too hard, if you get your feet sore… or something… just surrender. I wouldn’t mind.”> and I think it's reasonable to say that the PoWs taken by the US/UK had better treatment.Cossacks in Lienz would like to have a word with you. I am too shy to ask: how the preferable side for the Germans to surrender even relates to the initial question of how far/deep were the nazi Germany and USSR before 1941 on the military side?> I think they thought he'd gotten to the woods: the USSR hadn't made it there yet That sounds strange, because 1) USSR was already in Austria, and supposedly found something there and didn’t allow Churchill send someone there for several days, about which he wrote a pissy note to the American president; 2) the American armies have advanced all the way into the Soviet zone of occupation, which again made Churchill almost have a heart attack, because according to protocols signed before, they had to move back.> and there were a lot of areas that hadn't been brought under control in the weeks after Germany attempted to surrender.I’ve skimmed the sourced, and it turns out that the most powerful group was in Czechoslovakia and some troopers were left on Crete. But the former were driven out by the 11 of May 1945 (smallest groups eradicated just two days later). And those on Crete have accepted the capitulation and didn’t act, until some Brits and Americans came to take their arms and move them out with convoy. To show the cards up, I thought this would be about Northern Italy. For it has > Alps and > fortresses> that is what they thought, and you can speculate that it's not reasonable to think this but we have hindsight.No, I think it’s but reasonable. If you want German archives, why not to want Hitler himself?> No, you can look at what Churchill said; FDR didn't want a war with Stalin, however you want to paint it.Perhaps I’m not sufficiently colourblind to see “love” where there’s simple neutrality.> His wife was in the goddamn socialist club in New York. And the next thing you’re going to say is that FDR called home to receive a nod from his wife on any matter of importance? Oka-ay, let’s open a book… What do we see? Roosevelts were a family of capitalists. FDR’s grand-grand-grandfather was an industrialist who owned a sugar plant near what is now called the Wall-street in New York. His grandfather on maternal side had a trade business with China; with it he acquired a million dollars (a dream for many, I suppose). His father was an eccentric money-maker who began with the transportation and coal mining companies, which he inherited. His entire life he was obsessed with large-scale projects. Together with his friends he founded the largest monopoly in the U.S., that was extracting black coal. But after he ruined profits because of his passion to invest into projects of speculative nature, they expelled him. Then he was digging a channel for $6 mln subsided from the government. The project was ruined in a crisis. In the United States they used to say, that seeing his father’s failures, this has developed a strong prejudice in young Franklin against stock exchange speculations as well as speculations of other sorts. It’s difficult to judge, as nothing in the life and business, that FDR was leading doesn’t confirm this: he lives in harmony with multimillionaires. Though, he gravely hated economical crises, which have shut the door to the society of the selected princes of economy before his father. Does this alone make one a socialist? Or just something like a “capitalist who dislikes swindling”? This can explain, why other capitalists – a big lot of them, quite probably – would hate him, yet between this point and acting in favour of socialist views there’s a long, long road. Anyway, what about FDR’s childhood? While his father James constantly experienced failures in making more money, the family was still rich. James always had several hundred gold-backed dollars on himself. Their family owned a large house, a number of governesses and servants, numerous workers tending to the fields. The wedding brought James another million dollars for his investments. When the family travelled somewhere, they used a custom carriage, never having to buy tickets. As a boy, Franklin witnessed the existence of social hierarchy: his father, his mother and he himself were separated with invisible borders from the governesses, whose status differed from that of cooks and other servants and maids, who, in their turn, preferred to keep a distance from coachmen and field workers. Little Franklin loved animals and received a Shetland pony and a setter as a present from his parents. Tending to them was made his responsibility, to which he referred years later as a “tremendously hard labour”. James and Sarah carefully warded the little world around his son from the troubles of the big world, the troubles, which are known to American children almost from the cradle. Somebody has made a snarky remark that the acquaintance of Franklin with Huckleberry Finn hasn’t come farther than a handshake with Mark Twain. He know about the life and everyday life of the common folk only by what he’s heard from others. Though he’s imbibed this – it has to be ruled, what was also carried over to the children with whom he played. His mother scolded him: “What’s the need to order them around?” – “But if I won’t give orders, they won’t do anything” – her son objected. On Summer, their family would travel to Europe. They were cosmopolites. They took Franklin with themselves from the age of three. And very soon Paris, London and Germany, on the resorts of which his father constantly sought a treatment for his heart condition, became as familiar to Franklin as New York. When he was ten, the parents let him go to a public school, so he would learn German better. His mother found the idea funny, as she doubted, that he would be able to learn anything there. Franklin was excited to go with the flock of “monkeys”, as he’d said, but he had no such experience. Curious eye of the boy would examine ministers and herzogs, admirals and nobles. They spoke there in French for the most part, and Franklin could answer quickly. The boy liked the sea and wouldn’t leave “Halfmoon” – the yacht newly acquired by his father. When he was 16, James bought him his own yacht. Around the same age Franklin, still dreaming of the sea, told his father, that he’s going to be a navy officer. And that he’s going to enter military academy in Annapolis. James Roosevelt was thrown in horror at first, but then colourfully described his son the dull life of an officer in a sheeny uniform in comparison to the prosperity of a businessman in a modest frock-coat. The choice wasn’t hard to make. Franklin’s writings from the age, when he was a student at Harward, expose his sensibly conservative views. At the same time he didn’t seek light ways: while not being of an athletic build himself, he took the complex course program for sports, which even university athletes didn’t choose that often, as the Harward Bulletin noted in 1945. Coming of age, he was under the patronizing shadow of his uncle Theodor Roosevelt, vice-president, and later the president of the United States. Around the time, when his uncle visited the university, Franklin wrote, that one of the good side of Roosevelts is that they would never just sit and do nothing, it’s the democratic spirit, that… and so on. Tying up democracy and being proactive as one thing is, indeed, a very specific view of democracy, but for someone under 20… It is long known, that the people most intricately masking their actual intentions are those who seem boundlessly sincere and put their facility up front. So an American researcher was amazed with president F. Roosevelt’s, his knack and sophisticated traits of an experienced diplomat – and did so not from admiration. “It is clear, that under the mask of good will and conformism, which were evident at the peaks of his career, there was a hidden impulse of an objector, who aimed to break with the current norms, what has found a reflection in the experiments with the new course.” (This paragraph is a literal quote.) If some think, that this is enough for accusing (lol) FDR in socialism, they should first remember, that capitalism and its consequences (speculation etc.) have brought the Great Depression upon the United states. An increase of government control is not socialism. Also, to deny, that capitalism could find a way out of Great Depression, would make look that system look unsightly. Like, if “to deal with this FDR had to go socialism way”, lol. And this would then pose another question: “AHEM, THEN COULD WE ACTUALLY AVOID…?” and “…then why didn’t we do it sooner?” Well, I’m eager to know where socialism would finally begin. Let’s read further. In 1900, Franklin is a member of Harward Republican club… an active member… a participant of a torch procession… In 1904 he votes for the first time and gives his vote to uncle Teddy. How he became a democrat? When, after leaving a juridical school he went into politics and sent his application, the democratic party replied sooner. Ha! Though he might receive all help from his uncle Theodor, Franklin wasn’t an eloquent orator. Eleonora feared, that every pause he makes, might make the speech stop. But he continued. Some speculated, that the sum which Franklin has spent on the 1910 election, exceeded a four-digit number. He’s won the election, and this was the second time since the Civil war, that a democratic candidate would become a governor. Franklin’s colleagues from the Wall-street listened with a condescending smile, how a 28-years-old politician is going to clash with a hundred years old dragon of corruption of the State’s powers. (Meaning Schlosser.) One of them wrote to FDR: “If only congratulations from the ‘stock exchange cabal’ don’t wound your tender political feelings, then I’m sending to you my most hearty congratulations.” For which Franklin answered with “The Wall-street as a whole is not so bad, as I’ve seen it in the four years of being there”. Meanwhile, what Franklin spoke against was “bossism” (capturing of power by a bunch of corrupt politicians in the State government). One of them, L. Pan in Chatham district, inscribed the named of the dead people to voting lists. When the fraud was uncovered, he explained, that he doesn’t see anything bad in it, as he knows, how would they vote, were they still alive. That’s some Dead Souls by Gogol playing in reality. But on the American scale. Let’s see how FDR performed in the Senate. . . . . . (wait for it)
(DIR) Post #B79F5WlLOr6V80cme0 by dorkvalized
2026-06-09T06:19:14.162116Z
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@p @Nimbius666 @dagda @irie (continued; hello, hellfrens) During two years his most notable proposition was to save the forests in NY. This was a part of his program of preserving natural resources, with which he tried to get on the same footing with the common folk. However, the powerful forestry and timber companies ignored his guidance almost entirely. Having this failed he began to speak for the limit of work hours set for youth to be 54 hours a week. (Holy mother…) While before he was against it. On the acute question of workers boycotting the job, he acted in favour of using armed force to disperse the crowds on a strike. Wow, what a socialist! What a defender of worker’s rights! By the way, Stalin wrote seven years before that in an article “Bourgeoisie puts up a trap”: “Liberal sirs from the bourgeoisie will be ‘very pleased’, if will be given the freedom of speech, of the press, and of unions – if only the freedom of strikes won’t be there. This is why they speak at length about the ‘rights of a man and a citizen’, while about the freedom of strikes they mumble and can’t anything clear, except like pharisees they would blabber about some ‘economical reforms’”. W. Wilson in 1912 says: “There is a tremendously large and covered displeasure, which seeks a way out. Republicans with put out Tuft, and, if the democrats won’t put out their own candidate, which could be accepted by the people as the one who will voice their protest, there will appear a third party, a radical party, and in the result of the election we may find ourselves not long from a revolution.” (Literal quote from the book.) So, FDR tries to be that substitute voice, while “avoiding socialist terms” (this is a literal quote). The society is excited with Jack London’s “Iron foot” and “Revolution” who sung about class struggle and the union of the proletariat. And, while Marxism was evidently weak in the New world, the fierce resurrection of “Jacksonianism” and the work done by the “dirt removers” from L. Steffens to T. Draiser resounded like a cleansing storm in the psychological climate of the American society. At the footstep of the 1912 election, socialists have been gaining power. The whole country was listening to the piercing speeches of Debbs… The Socialist newspaper reached one million copies… etc. etc. But apparently FDR was nowhere close to the socialist ranks and had no desire to be there. And you say “wife” Well, while we’re at it, who was she? Eleonora Roosevelt was Franklin’s cousin in the fifth generation. The family, to which Eleonora was born to, was less rich than Franklin’s, because her father was wasting money on pleasures and affairs. She charmed Franklin after returning from her education in England, where she was under supervision of a French governess. Eleonora tried to be closer to her husband: she learned to drive a Ford and smashed it on a tree. Riding on a horse went no better. A lot of time she’s spent on learning how to plat golf, but seeing her once, Franklin advised to drop this pastime. She was the typical daughter of rich parents of the time. She never had to nanny her children herself or to make food. She couldn’t imagine a house without at least five servants, couldn’t dress herself without a maid, and without a cook the young pair would probably die of hunger. At that, she was horrendously ignorant. Even forty years later Eleonora recalled an uncomfortable situation, when she couldn’t explain to a curious Englishman the difference between the federal and the local governments in the USA. The house, that they lived in, was built by Sarah, Franklin’s mother, and Eleonora once cried before her husband, because she “didn’t like to live in the house that was never a part of her and that she’s done nothing for”. Franklin just shrugged. He didn’t understand. At home he was short sighted and didn’t show such watchfulness, as in politics. Franklin has just separated his family life and his games of poker at the club, where he was absent till late in the night. And you’re telling me that this woman…? Ahem, let’s continue. We’re already fifty pages in, maybe I’ll just skip the next fifty pages. We still don’t know, what Roosevelt himself thought of socialism, something in his own words, that is. Oh. Here is it! “You know, — said FDR pensively — the situation today doesn’t differ much from those days, when I was in Senate in 1911 and 1912. Alfred Smith, Bob Wagner, Jim Foley (Fawley?) and me have been fighting for making laws, which would keep the society in mind, laws, which would work. I remember, that we were called socialists and radicals at that time. I remember how furious was my dear mother, who decided, that her son has become a socialist.” This contemplation have become one of his favourite subjects, while his other, later programs were still being called “socialist” or even “communist”. What was “socialism” in 1911, has become an undoubted Americanism in 1928. Referencing the earlier work of governor A. Smith, Roosevelt said: “If his program of shortening the work week for women and children is socialist, then we are all socialists; if his program of bringing up hospitals and jails in the State to a better condition is socialist, then we are all socialists. And if his attention to healthcare…” – guess that’s enough to get the idea. …[In 1933] The jobless people from the cities started to unite their efforts with the farmers. Committees of action have begun to appear. The terror of power didn’t bring any feasible results. As one witness told before the commitee of Congress, a farmer exclaimed to him: “We have to make a revolution, like in Russia”. The movement was brought to a recession after promises of economical reforms, that will be implemented. Farmers trusted the word, but firmly stated: if they’ll be swindled, by the Spring of 1933 there will be a nation-wide strike. Two million jobless people sought for a better place in the other cities. One State and another took measures against the “wanderers” and not let them in. Concentration camps appear in California, roadblocks prevent movement. Children of crisis – hungry students, that are sleepy during lessons. “You should go home and eat” – says teacher to a pupil. “I can’t, today is my sister’s turn.” – she replies. Hungry teachers, tearing cents from their allowance to get some food for the children. Troubles in various parts of the country, often hopeless and spontaneous, left an impression on the spiritual life of the society. In the whirlwind of ideas among intellectuals, more and more evident emerged a movement – not only of a sympathy, but a straightforward acceptance of Communism both in theory and in practice. Famous writer and critic W. Frank wrote in 1932: “The world is on the verge of a crisis, and we shouldn’t lose time. The preparation for the revolutionary tomorrow should be made today. In the opposite case, it may come too late […]” E. Nielson insisted: “Soviet Union is on the moral summit of the world, where the light never ceases to be”. William Allen White: “Russia is the most interesting place in the world”. “Of course” – confirmed W. Rodgers – “they have great ideas. Just think about it: in their country everyone has a job!” So did speak and write the American intellectuals, who were never seen expressing their sympathies for Communism before. I guess this should be enough to serve as an explanation, why FDR could be (and, as I found now, he actually was) accused of being a “socialist”. He wanted to be good, he wanted to do something decent. While staying who he is: a comfortably living bourgeois. He could never be a socialist, not while maintaining relations with his pals. Moreover, he spoke against socialism, affirming the capitalist rule. And you say “wife”. The source (mostly in retelling, because translating some fifty pages just to prove a point is not in my plans): N. N. Yakovlev. Franklin Roosevelt: a man and a politician, 2nd ed. Moscow, 1981, p. 11–50, 96–131.> I don't know what you want.To tell the truth, I’d like to have on the other side of the screen someone as fluent in Russian as I am in English.> If I take his word for it, technocratic Malthusian nihilism, including population control. You just have to read what he said and what his friends (Dulles, Rockefeller, et al) said:Well, judging how you talk about Communism with only memes, and replacing them with corresponding ones, I can imagine what you may mean. Though taking into account your understanding of Communism, Socialism and the history of USSR, I’m not sure what to expect here. Some means are just means, which may find a use in one system or in another which is something quite unlike the other. But the means may be applied nevertheless. Anyway, this isn’t an invitation for making an explanation, unless you promise me something actually revealing.> Contemporary writing from the generals in question had FDR focused on Japan and Churchill as the only one that wanted a war with the USSR.You bet! The contempt is oozing off the pages of his sixth volume on WWII. On this subject we agree, what a pleasant surprise.> This is one of the reasons the US would never have attacked the USSR. The Manchuria push was critical to stopping Japan.I wouldn’t be so sure, placed in the circumstances. After all, say the war with Japan is over. U.S. probably has more nuclear bombs. And Soviet armies are stationed in Germany, in their occupation zone… On the other hand, the large Soviet army was gradually rolling back to the other half of the globe, so the need to “contain” this power was lesser by the day. The plans would have one date and a situation in mind, the reality would offer something different. Or, perhaps, the HQs were already tired drawing and redrawing plans, and doing this several more times, with a prospective length of several more years was considered too much strain on the people in charge. Who knows? Anyhow, the history knows no ‘if’s, which takes the question an empty one.> You keep talking like I've ever said a single word in FDR's defense or like FDR has anything to do with the conversationI was actually calling out your calling Stalin names non-stop, and in the sentence that you’ve cited, the accent is not on FDR. One might wonder, how can you even manage to read it in some wrong way.> a post I made a year ago about how socialist authors are not really worth reading. I'm talking about socialist authorsI’m sorry, but do you realise, how that sounds after your remark above (https://fsebugoutzone.org/notice/B6pp52u87h7HiFbaIC) that most of the stuff that you’ve read, was… by Trotskiy? Like, lmao. Lenin: leads the bolsheviks against bourgeoisie- and merchant-backed parties, wins against the rest (cadets etc.) in the newly formed parliament (Учредительное собрание). Wins against the odds, while the RSDRP, represented with bolsheviks, doesn’t comprise even a half of seats. Creates the first Soviet republic, manages to defend it against World War I, a civil war (stage I), repeated intervention, civil war (now backed by the foreign bourgeoisie, stage II), rules through raids of bandit armies armed by the foreign powers, meanwhile somehow launching the industry and agriculture sectors of the economy, logistics, laws fro protecting valuable resources (like forests, which FDR couldn’t achieve btw) and industries. Sends people to other lands of the former Russian empire to help people create other socialist republics. Composes a Constitution for the first ever Union of socialist states. Leaves 45 volumes of works. The principal works would comprise 2–3 volumes, I think. Stalin: implements Lenin’s concepts and builds on top of it. Implements policies which end the shortage of grain supplies by the end of 1920s (they still will happen due to wars and sabotage, but the consequences of the intervention and the civil war were overcome). Basically receives a country without any large-scale industry (Russian empire had no full-cycle car producing factory, nor a plane factory, nor a tractor or tank factory, during tzars Russia has imported even scythes from Austria) – and leaves it a winner in a world war, with a nuclear power plant and soon a nuclear bomb. Spends money to bring civilisation to remote areas building beautiful cities near the North polar circle – only to make people go there, live there, research the area and do science. More socialist republics are created (and some larger ones are split). The Soviet Union goes through the harsh time of 1941–1945, wins against a war machine nurtured by the imperialists, the Union gets bigger. At the end of his life Stalin chalks up the further course of the economy, where the interest of an individual consumer is placed before the need to make or realise wares. Which would require each factory to know their consumer better and actually put an effort into satisfying consumer needs. The system he envisioned would gradually abolish money, switching to the sheer labour and ware producing/exchange. Which would make things like savings, usury and credits impossible. Relying on the work, that began at the time of Stalin, the country sends a first satellite to orbit and sends the first man to space. This Communist leader leaves 18 volumes of works. Trotskiy: initially leaning up to the bourgeoisie, he joins bolsheviks at he last moment. Eager to launch the world revolution (writes a book about it) and throw the Red army on every opponent at once, he would just lose the army, lose the Socialist state. But, perhaps, he hoped to be placed as some colonial regime leader in the Germany- and England-occupied European part of Russia. Expelled from the Soviet Union by Stalin, because he kept spouting derailing messages. In exile writes lampoons. @p: Gee, whom do I pick? I think Trotskiy would be a fine choice! Fuck, why he’s such an idiot… I hate socialism.> not Stalin (murderous psychopath) You’re still at it? Let’s do a meme clash or something. This discussion would be livelier with some action.> so FDR…Please, stop. Enough.> > I was speaking of Germany, and you seem to have taken it personally, for some reason.> This is almost certainly you reading into it things that are not present. Oh, really? Well, let’s check. Thankfully, what’s necessary is simply to scroll the thread up. In https://fsebugoutzone.org/notice/AtGcK5L0PcVIdpkl9s you’ve written about “people that either lost to fascists or, once they got power, were indistinguishable from fascists.” Which I called out in https://fsebugoutzone.org/notice/B6yOGHR1USuPcklKme bringing up a real story of a real German Communist in Germany (Paul Krause). In a short paragraph below there was a contemplation about the situation in Germany in the 1930s and a suggestion to share a thought, how you’d do better in his place. Instead of a thought (or an admittance in the absence of such) there was a “YO MAMA”-tier reply, but I guess it would be hard to expect much from a person whose mind is occupied with Pleroma, hellthreads, Latvian retards and memes probably made by long-nosed individuals of the Near East. So, in https://fsebugoutzone.org/notice/B6yQ1l5RAAx99UrwY4, your reply went about “cows in the USSR” and if this isn’t the first occurrence of a “YEAH BUT YOU”™ in our dialogue, I don’t know what this is. Ironically, when I mirrored this back at you in https://fsebugoutzone.org/notice/B6yTLOILuZW67RxmBU you began framing me as the one who used “YEAH BUT YOU”ing – see https://fsebugoutzone.org/notice/B6ycJRUPxibr2Fkhou> Thirteen months ago, I was dismissive about socialist authors (whom I have read and I found nothing redeeming). Like who? Like who? smug_anime_girl.png> In as few words as possible, what are you hoping to discuss?We may start discussing something – if you wish – once you get yourself acquainted with Lenin’s “State and Revolution”, unabridged. For starters.. . . . .(wait for it) ro_257.jpg
(DIR) Post #B79aKmLHr594pSYAfQ by dorkvalized
2026-06-09T10:17:17.874168Z
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@Nimbius666 @dagda @irie @p (continued; ohisashiburi desu)> As Kasparov notedA half-Jewish emigrant and Ukraine supporter (read: hating all that is Russian and Russia) sure wouldn’t lie about events that might or might not happen 30 years before he was born. How about you read what Gavrilo Vassilyevich Vokuyev (born 1883, lived on Russian North) have said? Or read about how a commune “Sudanki” (Kharkov oblast) developed in 1920s – 1930s from the contemporary newspapers, about its highs and lows? Hm. You are right, the western censorship would never let these texts through. They don’t fit the image of “horrible Russia”.> Right, the USSR never exploited farmers.USSR never sought to exploit farmers. USSR never did usury loops on its people. What USSR did was to allow people get together to use costly technical equipment for both their own and the state’s profit. For kolkhozes formed from the poorest the equipment was subsided below cost price, to be paid later once they have gathered crops for one year.> The crime was being on the losing end: a revolutionary that loses is a brigand. That's all. We ourselves had a revolt … This is how history works: the victors write the history books.Apparently, you’re under impression that literally no one could end up being good before the face of the Soviet government? that the government simply intruded and took everything? Jesus Christ, that’s what I get for logging onto an American server. This is getting tiresome, but I’ll try to picture it in general details. When the bolsheviks became the sole ruling power and proclaimed Russia a Soviet republic, they inherited a very underdeveloped country. Its industry, its agriculture, the well-being of its citizen were leaving to want for the better. The education for the masses was basically non-existent. The imperial Russia has left a lot of dissent in the people. You know, like everyone looks for somebody who would come and just fix their troubles. Bolsheviks explained, that the troubles are only starting, and there will be more, if we all won’t start working, and working hard right now. Some were happy – especially farmers, because they finally got enough land – and for free – to be able to feed their families. Some were already exhausted and perceived any call for work as more trouble for them – they didn’t expect anything good to just happen to them, as it didn’t happen before, when there were tzars. Others tried to outsmart the Soviet government, thinking, that they would still be making profits, hauling on others’ backs. About the collective farms, or kolkhozes. There was in fact several types of those (communes, kolkhozes, sovkhozes, artels can be placed in the list, too). I won’t describe the differences here, for it would take ten screens more. To put it simply, a kolkhoz is a /self-organised/ collective farm. Like the aforementioned Gavrilo Vokuyev talked about. He lived in Ust-Tsilma village of Arkhangelsk oblast. His family (he had five brothers) worked hard and worked together, so they’ve become, one can say, a core of what eventually become their kolkhoz. The village has selected him as the chief. So, nothing much changed there, because the people there worked together even before that. With the Soviet declaration of land going to farmers, he just divided it “by the number of mouths, by the justice” (his words), and they continued to work the land, hunt and fish like they did before. But the Russian North knew not forced servitude (крепостное право). It was exempt from that due to the cold climate, making the life hard, and the Russian empire didn’t make it harder, because people would flee then, the region would get empty and soon the English or Danes would come and start encroaching (like in the 1918–1920) because there would nobody to defend the land. So, the relations between people, between villages and areas were decent. Given means and decent education, those clever people could make wonders. Perhaps, the acquaintance with them made Lenin so sure about the capabilities of the Russian people in making a Socialist state. In the central and southern areas of European Russia it was different. In the Central Russia there could be found some amount of decently kept farms, but those were scarce. For the most part – and this to a considerable extent is applied also to southern regions – most people were poor, and working on their tiny plot couldn’t make the life suffice. They had to till not only their own land, but also for some landowner (who could be of noble birth, or a merchant, or a “fellow” peasant, but practicing usury – a kulak or ‘fist’. Kulaks could be both under servitude or – which was rarer before circa 1880 – free people). Anyway, the poor man would come to some homestead manager or a kulak and sell his labour. He’d be given grain. Often, the poor wouldn’t have an equipment (also a horse, or a bull) to till even their own land, so they would load the tools and/or cattle, and in return, come to till kulak’s land. Kulaks paid little, to always have the poor folk return to do more job. Despaired and hopeless, farmers could seek a better place, but they couldn’t do much, except for jobs, that were even more exhausting. If before 1861 they would be fixed to the land by law, after 1861 they were fixed by the need to pay the debt to a particular person (nobleman, merchant or kulak). Most of the country folk was driven to poverty also because most land that is good for growing, was under wealthy people. If we consider a decent farm – or a /balanced/ farm – that, which is self-sufficient and produces some spare resource to improve the life of the family, then an /imbalanced/ farm is an opposite of this. An imbalanced farm is either one that is too poor to make ends meet – not having a sufficient plot of land to feed from it, not having equipment or cattle – or the one that produces in abundance, a wealthy nobleman’s, a merchant’s or a kulak’s farm. A kulak (or a person in a similar position) wouldn’t work in the field himself, but only hire workers and those who should be bringing up debtors to do work on his field. Kulaks and the wealthy would retain grain, this “currency of currencies” sometimes, for years, without giving it out to the market, if the conditions are not in their favour. Which is one of the reasons for hunger. In the times of Smuta (early 17th c.) a chronicler left a story, how one storage had grain that was fourteen(!) years old. These are the kind of people, who would prefer the grain to rot, rather than giving it to people at a price that is lower than desirable. The most negative side of imbalanced farms were the workers who for years worked basically for naught, just to carry the debt for another year. They were desperate, they felt hopeless, they had no motivation for work, as they expected nothing good, they have basically lost all host under tzars to make their life better. And those people the Soviet government was trying to organise, creating better conditions for them. In return it asked to just work, so in 1–3 years they could be proper owners of the equipment and cattle that the government subsided for them at a low price. It was actually feasible, and the “Sudanki” commune was an example of that. The problems started when it has returned the goverment the price of the equipment. But to organise despaired people and to make them work is not an easy feat. The Soviets expected, that the offered conditions would rise the spirit in the people, that would see the long-awaited ray of light through the dark clouds, but what’s spoiled can’t be easily restored. People didn’t want to work, especially, when they were forcibly organised (that is, when you didn’t have a place to go). And while kulaks were constantly pushing these people in the backs to do work, the Soviet government tried to be nice and expected the people to just perform what they should, there was nothing insurmountable, or even especially hard – in fact, the norms were average and were later lowered for kolkhozes, who failed to meet even that criteria. Needless to say, that there were people, who were interested in those artificially organised collective farms to break: neglected cattle and equipment could be bought for a cheap price after the farm would be dissolved and until new cattle and equipment would be delivered there. The first of the people, in whose interest that was, were the — you guessed it – kulaks. But that wasn’t their primary reason to hate Soviet collective farms. And that reason was: the Soviet government has pulled the ground of their wealth from under them – it took the poor, not letting them be exploited. It’s necessary to speak also of the Cossack lands, who were on a somewhat privileged position under the tzars: by carrying the duty of defending the lands at the border of the country from the Turks and semi-civilised tribes, they were exempt from taxes owed to a noble landlord – there was none above other than their Cossack leader (ataman) and the higher military command at the capital, then the tzar himself. However, Soviets decided, that “everyone should be equal”, and didn’t recognise their privilege, demanding, that they pay their grain tax like the rest. A considerable part of Cossacks were against it, and chose the opposing side, probably thinking, that if monarchy (or whatever) government would be, they would receive their former privilege. The felt above others and took the tax as an offence to their status of “the free people, who serve none, but the tzar himself, and to him they may or may not wish to bow”. Finally, the intervention and the civil war have left the country with a lot of enemies of the Soviet system, who laid low and kept agitating people to do harm, promising, that without Soviets they would live better. There were centers in Europe, where the undermining efforts were coordinated: some in Prague, some in Paris, some, naturally, in Poland. You wouldn’t think, that the wealthy businessmen, who had to flee from Russia in 1917 were only sighing, drinking and singing songs of the old time? Their capital was initially placed outside of Russia. They knew, that their lands and their factories, together with most of the workers – are probably still there. So they coordinated their efforts and put their capitals to use. It’s not a stretch to suppose, that some governments like France, the UK and Poland have supported them in those efforts. The Soviet counterintelligence service reported the presence of anti-soviet organisations’ cell all across the western border, and all the way through Ukraine and Southern part of the European Russia. The caught agents reported names and connections, and it’s became evident, that the network resembles a constantly spawning mycelium grid. It might not have been eradicated completely till the end of the Soviet Union, probably, so its activity was prevented to the best effort. What these cells did was to sabotage work, burn crops, buildings, cattle sheds; agitating people to strike against the Soviet government; place agents to the higher position in the Soviet system, extend the soviet Union resources on constant aid, kill Communist leaders, report the wrong numbers up. The latter should be explained: a sovkhoz leader would organise people for work, make them sow and reap, then write off a considerable part of the crops as “rotten” and hide, distribute among the local group of actors or resell it to group members, who smuggled grain across the border. The sovkhoz head would then tell to people, that “the State ordered to take this much”, and people would be left starving, which indeed produced 1) dissent; 2) people willing to overthrow the Soviet power. It took a considerable amount of time at local (republic-level) centres to understand, what’s going on. For some time they’ve simply conveyed the reports to Moscow, and implemented soft measures recommended by Moscow. And only when Moscow started to suspect a large ploy this was put to an end. Concluding, I won’t say that there was no overuse of power, no misreading or attempts to look good and boast one’s executive abilities before the higher-ups. Such problems existed even in close proximity of Moscow, where Kropotkin lived his last days. However, the aforementioned list is not a complete list of problems, but it at least gives the general idea, that nothing was simple back then.> Taxation is theft and the state is a parasite.Yet you have an education, that made you to some extent, self-sufficient, and that education, as well the benefits of having a roof over your head, food on your table, electricity to run your computer and a warm bed to sleep in at night all are possible only thanks to you being born in a civilisation, which employed taxes. I don’t see you calling yourself “Child of a parasite”, while it’s due, if you speak the truth.> Now, I can also say, you know, if the option was to live under Stalin in the USSR or FDR in the USSR, I would have to flip a coin, because I don't think there would be much difference.As someone who understands the difference, I’d think that the personal inclination towards history, places, culture does more to one’s choice. In other words, that differences are not that significant (though still rather big) to put them over own preference. Thus I’d find it perfectly normal for you to pick the U.S., for example.> I was just remarking that it is unusual to hear someone attempt to defend Stalin. That's all.Hehe. No, allow me to disagree with you. Had this be your intention from the start, then you’d put in the words like these or similar, expressing it like a surprise. What you wrote earlier, however, had the characteristics of framing someone.> "Here are the things that the USSR and USA both agreed on, so there is very little reason to argue unless you can demonstrate that both had an incentive to lie about this specific topic."I can. It would be a hefty opus on a scale several degrees larger than seen itt, so no way in hell I am translating this much. The most I would do is to provide references to sources.> I've heard similar about Hitler. Khrushchev knew Stalin personally; That Khruschiov knew Stalin personally doesn’t tell us anything about his attitude or his motives. You know, Molotov, Kaganovich, marshals Rokossovskiy and Golovanov also knew Stalin personally. They all were replaced from power by Khruschiov and silenced in the press. Why? And why the “truth” was conveyed on a limited session (there was to media people)? . . . . .(wait for it) 91718301.jpg
(DIR) Post #B79agomTTAXulLmAgy by dorkvalized
2026-06-09T10:21:16.860444Z
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@Nimbius666 @dagda @irie @p (continued; motto tsuyoku edition)> I don't think it is a stretch to say that Khrushchev's remarks that Stalin built a cult of personality is far from the truth. You are free to disagree.This is another complex question. Viacheslav Molotov said, that the people liked Stalin naturally, but there was some effort put into supporting this. After the death of Lenin, which for many was sudden, people wanted another figure to direct their hopes for. Like it’s one thing when you’re told “do your best!” and another, when there’s a leader up front, who does his best, and you feel like a team. The group of bolsheviks, who gathered around Stalin, needed to confront the opposition – the Trotskyists of various sorts (Zinoviev, Kamieniev, Bukharin, Rykov…). Stalin did a great job explaining in his speeches what efforts should be the power of the people directed to and why. His public speeches were like good encyclopaedia articles. They were both entertaining and imparting some knowledge of the world around. But that was not enough to fully gain the support of the people. People expected the leader to be “like Lenin” with all due attributes (being a living motor, a living image and a poster image). So the entire group benefited from Stalin’s fame. An effort was put into reflect that love of the people. At the same time Stalin did realise, that an image of him in the minds of people began to lead its own life, and the Stalin that people imagined is a heavily idolised image, rather than true him. So he would at times speak of “Stalin” as of a figure people imagined, and later this was used by people like Mikoyan to portrait him as “insane”, as “speaking of himself in third person” as if he merged himself with an idolised image, which wasn’t a reality. Stalin found this idolisation if not a burden, then an inconvenience, but said that “if this makes people believe in something better, if this gives them hope for the future, then this has its use.” Stalin lived a modest life, his adoptive son Artiom (his comrade, who died in a train accident, asked Stalin to take care of his son, – Stalin already had one and a daughter by then) later remembered that it was a good day, when guests came, because then they would have some fancy food. Till the last years Stalin was wearing the same winter coat he wore during the Civil war days. His wardrobe was nearly empty. When an officer opened it in search for things that could be useful for a museum, he said “I have more than him…” During the first ten years of USSR existence, Stalin asked TsK to replace him for someone else thrice, and thrice his plea was rejected. When Stalin considered the country restored for the most part after the World War II, he proposed a change to the ruling mechanism, and the removal of Politburo. It has done its job for preparing the nation to war, leading the war and restoring the country after the war, and for the peaceful period the country was moving with a much larger council of people, a Presidium consisting of 36 members. The people from Politburo, including Beria and Khruschiov, have lost their significant weight in the power. Now, what do you think happened soon after the death of Stalin? Presidium was shortened to 12 members and the ministries were suspiciously absorbing lesser ones, especially those relating to trade… Sources for the most part are mentioned in the .pdf file linked above. Also what CPSU published on the 6 and the 7 March 1953 in newspapers (take Izvestia for example).> > But I also know of one author, an American historian> An American and a Soviet were arguing…Oh, an anecdote! I know one, too:propaganda and taking it seriously.png