Post AsVHcf6KyyETLh9Mhs by judgedread@poa.st
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(DIR) Post #AsU0U4EoGMLSK8T8cK by judgedread@poa.st
2025-03-27T14:42:54.929227Z
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As you walk down the street if you believe in Hell realize that almost everyone you see is ending up there.Including perfectly harmless, even very nice people.That's a major factor in the collapse of orthodox religion.
(DIR) Post #AsU6bFZD8iIhDDosme by Countermeasures@poa.st
2025-03-27T15:51:22.999453Z
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@judgedread Most "Christians" understanding of Hell is deeply flawed, this is a huge problem. You have the correct allergic reactions to the common understanding of Hell, this is very important. Kalomiros's "The River of Fire" from 1980 goes into the details of the problem.Perfectly harmless and very nice people, whose hearts are free of any malice towards their fellow man and who strive to help out their neighbors have a big advantage in the Afterlife Olympics.The Orthodox position is that the Final Judgement and the resulting Eternal Condemnation doesn't come until the very end, so nobody is Doomed(TM) ... yet. Being dead makes it very difficult to dig yourself out of a deep hole, but others can still help.
(DIR) Post #AsUeftgDL6IrDiTzpw by judgedread@poa.st
2025-03-27T22:13:14.692687Z
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@Countermeasures In The Great Divorce C.S. Lewis presents a Hell you can leave... if you really want to.
(DIR) Post #AsUo4P5R7WNbAF2afY by machciv@poa.st
2025-03-27T23:58:24.066422Z
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@judgedread @Countermeasures That's the premise of "Inferno" and "Escape from Hell" by Niven and Pournelle, that hell is "the violent ward for the theologically insane," but reform is possible. This was a heresy of Origen, which is why he's not a Father of the Church.
(DIR) Post #AsUo9E1Xg9vQIkWCbw by judgedread@poa.st
2025-03-27T23:59:15.474983Z
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@machciv Heresy of attrition to nothingness.Pick one.
(DIR) Post #AsVHOH3fZq5Uj72dhw by neofugue@noauthority.social
2025-03-28T05:27:07Z
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@Countermeasures @judgedread Your understanding of Hell is heretical.There is no such thing as being "perfectly harmless and very nice" in Orthodoxy.If not so, name ONE saint in the church who said he was a "nice" person. When one reads the pre-Communion prayers, does St. Basil speak of himself in positive terms?As for Kalomiros:gocwiki .com /index.php/Alexander_KalomirosHe is a schismatic who aligns himself with Lazar Puhlo, a known subversive who defends transgenderism.
(DIR) Post #AsVHcf6KyyETLh9Mhs by judgedread@poa.st
2025-03-28T05:29:36.219187Z
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@neofugue I believe the consensus of historic Christendom is that I should be hunted down and killed.Which with hardcore Christians at 2% and falling... ain't gonna happen.To a new age of gods and monsters!
(DIR) Post #AsVIW1LZyTeuGofzwe by neofugue@noauthority.social
2025-03-28T05:39:45Z
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@judgedread Speaking as a theocrat in the vein of Pobedonostsev, only if you speak publicly* in a way which undermines the authority of the sovereign. Public heresy/schism/atheism is treason and thus is subject to the death penalty.That being said, private thoughts are free. God gives men free will to choose, so your accounts would, in the right places, be fine. St. Augustine would approve of an ideological red-light district, so to speak.*power is unitaryIn any case, you should be fine.
(DIR) Post #AsVJHqK0Gn9JyXk6dM by judgedread@poa.st
2025-03-28T05:48:16.536032Z
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@neofugue Well then as you have read my poasts it's clear you'd have to kill me because my every word subverts.
(DIR) Post #AsVJkS3iPBO9c1MVhw by neofugue@noauthority.social
2025-03-28T05:52:31Z
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@Countermeasures @judgedread The (oversimplified) patristic conception of Hell is, paraphrasing the writings of St. Ephraim the Syrian, the continuation of this life in the next.If your heart is pointed towards God, your experience of the Glory of God will be eternal bliss. If your heart is pointed away, your experience will be the opposite—think of a vampire being exposed to Holy Water.Looking down the street, where random person [X] ends up is by his heart, which only God knows.
(DIR) Post #AsVK9zaOtB7mpnpSvg by judgedread@poa.st
2025-03-28T05:58:01.434481Z
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@neofugue Pardon the cynical memetic take, but those are the only kind I've got:'Only god knows who goes to Hell' is an escape valve used by Orthodox, Catholic AND Protestants, which shows how very important it is to evade this point. It's much like the tranny who won't reveal whether they've had the mutilating surgery or not - a subject that does not bear close examination.Because everyone can deduce from the state of the vast majority of their fellow humans godless lives that almost everyone is going to Hell. And once this is understood the next safety valve the mind takes, confronted with infinite horror, is to just stop believing in the entire system. Which is why the exit ramp for Christendom was annihilationism / universalism - bad guys have no afterlife or everyone goes to Heaven. The deboonking of those succeeded not in reviving but in destroying the faith entirely.Or so I deduce based on the history and the internal meme engines.
(DIR) Post #AsVLKNnLpsAulcPBCq by Countermeasures@poa.st
2025-03-28T06:11:06.749930Z
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@neofugue >Your understanding of Hell is heretical.Perhaps. Let's get me sorted out.For sure no saint will say that they themselves are a nice person, much less a good or kind person. However, from the outside we can begin to identify those who *actually* care about their fellow man, as opposed to those who want to be *seen* as caring -- the dangerous aspect of "niceness". Of course in the end only God truly knows the heart of a person.A "perfectly harmless" person would always act to improve the spiritual condition of those around him, applying gentleness or strictness as appropriate to the situation. In extreme cases, such a person might justly execute criminals to prevent them from degrading themselves further by harming others.Within Orthodoxy we have huge problems with schism right now, especially after the ecumenist plague set in. I do know Kalomiros and Seraphim Rose had serious disagreements. Was Kalomiros promoting heretical ideas in 1980? Were Lazar Puhlo's bizarre statements about transgenderism made before Kalomiros's death in 1990?Most critically, which piece of Kalomiros's reasoning about Hell in the River of Fire is heretical?
(DIR) Post #AsVLaVofmRPmHIiM6K by neofugue@noauthority.social
2025-03-28T06:14:10Z
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@judgedread The ultimate subversive position which undermined Christianity was the idea of "the good person."There is no such thing as a "good" person. There are only people who repent, and those who do not.If someone wishes to turn away from God, that is on him, not God.In this day and age, the destination of their fellow humans may be skewed one way or another, but that is their decision to make; whether it is a majority or minority depending on circumstances is irrelevant.
(DIR) Post #AsVLqxfO0A3JHsDLEm by judgedread@poa.st
2025-03-28T06:17:00.129760Z
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@neofugue You may be right. In any event almost everyone does believe there are good people, and preaching the blackpill that all are bad or that goodness doesn't matter, only one's allegiance in an invisible war being waged in another dimension, is a non-starter at this time.Recall the stats on the Orthodox in the US - 300,000 people in a nation of 330,000,000.
(DIR) Post #AsVMlgXsKWmgh2kVJQ by neofugue@noauthority.social
2025-03-28T06:27:24Z
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@Countermeasures There is a quasi-Universalist train of thought which while does not explicitly affirm all of what Origen said, does explicitly affirm repentance after death."Afterlife Olympics" and "nobody is Doomed(TM) yet" indicates to me this train of thought.However, if Kalomiros is only stating that "nice people (TM)" (who are repentant) will receive God in the same way as those during the Harrowing of Hell—if his position is with the fathers—then I was wrong earlier and I apologize.
(DIR) Post #AsVNDh6zokNWYgX44W by neofugue@noauthority.social
2025-03-28T06:32:28Z
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@judgedread If men decided matters of faith based on logic and reason, you would be right.But in truth, men decide these things based on inner moral character."Tess of the D'Urbevilles" and "Anna Karenina" were far more important in the destruction of Christianity than Darwin.
(DIR) Post #AsVNhAuS6qVhN8irJI by neofugue@noauthority.social
2025-03-28T06:37:47Z
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@judgedread It will not work with people who think they have by their own nature "reason" and "wisdom."It will work with people who can easily see that the world around them (and the people within, including themselves), are evil and in need of repentance.You of all should know that faith is not a numbers game, it is a matter of being as extreme as possible. Christians were only 5% at the time of Constantine.Not that the US will be around by the time any of this will be relevant.
(DIR) Post #AsVNqwxEqgoUzGgdmq by Countermeasures@poa.st
2025-03-28T06:39:26.438446Z
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@neofugue @judgedread Yes, this seems right. My strong suspicion (indeed only God knows for sure) is that in his heart Dread loves the truth and hates lies, and won't rest until he has seen through every deception and learned all truth. This worthy task will take eternity, and I suspect a merciful and loving God who is Truth will provide that eternity to those who are sincerely committed to it.The danger of this path is always becoming puffed up with Pride, believing that you are already so wise as to be incapable of being fooled or have full understanding of infinite Truth in finite time.Similarly, I suspect that Dread opposes our shared enemies because he doesn't want bad things to happen to his neighbors, especially bad spiritual things -- "meme malware". This is a core Christian value. It is unsurprising that he would be upset with the idea of a God that would harm his neighbors maximally and eternally for reasons he finds incomprehensible.
(DIR) Post #AsVOoHll6Sd0d2bvAO by judgedread@poa.st
2025-03-28T06:50:10.034024Z
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@neofugue I can never get though these longass foreign novels. Maybe there's a movie...
(DIR) Post #AsVP8u94OYzTwXrrcG by judgedread@poa.st
2025-03-28T06:53:52.086935Z
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@neofugue History is a numbers game. But the timeline matters. The liberal blogger who analyzed how Christianity beat paganism and everything else (at least in the West) pointed to its impact on fertility.So in 400 years maybe there will be a comeback.That's assuming Elon doesn't come up with a culture hack to get agnostics to start families and that the human game lasts that long.
(DIR) Post #AsVPOQlzMtj3TpTWq0 by StarProphet@noauthority.social
2025-03-28T06:56:49Z
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@judgedread "I can never get though these longass foreign novels. Maybe there's a movie..."😀
(DIR) Post #AsVQBYzRbeMv9dCHhY by Countermeasures@poa.st
2025-03-28T07:05:33.274497Z
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@neofugue My understanding is that after death we don't have *time* to repent, this is the main problem. However, those of use who are still alive, as well as the Saints, can intercede on their behalf. In addition, the full consequences of the choices the dead made in life have not yet played out, and are interdependent with actions we can take now.For example, Nietzsche had a terrible philosophy and made many serious mistakes. However, his honest and detailed reporting of a particular strange experience enabled a friend of mine to see through an important error they both had made. This experience helped bring the latter to Orthodoxy! Obviously my friend is very grateful to Nietzsche for this and prays that God will have mercy on him -- maybe Nietzsche's Final Judgement has improved as a result.I should be more clear in my discussions with people like Dread that people who are content in their "niceness" and sure that they will reach Heaven because they are such "good people" are in terrible danger. In contrast, Dread's concern that he might be dragged down to Hell from doing distasteful things to protect his neighbors is much safer.
(DIR) Post #AsVTkUUubJ3dDeGJs0 by Countermeasures@poa.st
2025-03-28T07:45:27.841852Z
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@judgedread @neofugue Yes, your reasoning here is very similar to that of Kalomiros: people who view God as a cruel and vengeful judge who will condemn almost everyone to Hell escape either into atheism (and the safety of oblivion in death) or the "punishment cannot be eternal" idea promoted by Origen.We intuitively understand that punishing our fellow humans an infinite amount for their finite crimes, much less punishing them eternally for the sins of *Adam*, which they had no control over, is unjust -- and that no loving God worthy of our respect would act this way.I believe that the rejection of this (unorthodox, heretical) understanding of God as a cruel and vengeful judge in favor of atheism is progress for most people. Those inclined towards virtue can then start over with a sincere desire to figure out objective truth and objective goodness.
(DIR) Post #AsVYbfaYUjk2mXVzd2 by Countermeasures@poa.st
2025-03-28T08:39:54.167086Z
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@judgedread @neofugue A more useful framework is that *becoming more good* matters a great deal, and that the biggest failure modes involve *stalling out*, either by becoming convinced one is "good enough" (pride) or that one can never become better (despair / blackpilling). The Universe is so vast that mere *finite* goodness pales in comparison to the infinite potential goodness that is theoretically achievable, given infinite time.Clearly you are excited about achieving functional immortality through technology that would allow you to collect as much goodness as possible, and can't imagine becoming bored and wanting to end the adventure for hundreds of thousands of years at least -- this framework should resonate with you.In this framework, the Orthodox Christian claim is that there is Good News: the Eternal Life needed to fully take advantage of all that infinite goodness is available for those who demonstrate that they really want it by committing to *becoming more good*. Put another way, Orthodox claim the existence of a being like Q in ST:TNG that, while engaging in Tough Love when needed, in the end wants to guide you on a journey of unlimited spiritual growth.Naturally you are skeptical that such a being exists and that the advertised Eternal Life is available on the specified terms. Clearly such a benevolent situation would be Maximally Convenient but that by itself doesn't make it true.At this point I can give you two pieces of evidence that are encouraging:-- You know from personal experience that Weird Shit happens, maybe you can catch a lucky break and this Weird Shit is true too.-- The jews really, really, hate Orthodox Christianity and do everything they can to fuck with it, including murdering the Romanovs and their children, who were benevolent to a degree that would be unbelievable were it not for stacks of irrefutable evidence.
(DIR) Post #AsVbvsrHASjvaifNC4 by Countermeasures@poa.st
2025-03-28T09:17:12.097401Z
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@judgedread @neofugue The political system you are subverting is obviously a sick joke, which is why you are trying to undermine its legitimacy. If we were ruled by the Romanovs, I have faith you'd be employed in an official capacity hunting down the satanic judeo-bolshevik subhuman criminal vermin that killed them and threaten us with extinction. Imagine the opportunity to do exactly what you are doing now, but with *state sanction*.It's quite improbable that you would attempt to subvert Orthodox leaders who were demonstrably more loyal to their people's interests than Hitler. Also note that heresy involves *claiming to be Christian* while intentionally promoting anti-Christian ideas -- you don't subvert Orthodox Christianity in this way. Instead you say things like, "I'm not Christian because I don't believe in essential doctrine X".Related: you and Cough can poast the Nicene Creed without difficulty, while the demonic jews and spook scum trying to pass themselves off as Christian to Trevor while promoting heresy *can't*. This counts as a third piece of evidence you have that something strange is going on with Trevor's flavor of Christianity.