Post AbrCnkfNnS85FMzmE4 by dneary@mathstodon.xyz
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(DIR) Post #AbrCnkfNnS85FMzmE4 by dneary@mathstodon.xyz
2023-11-16T06:23:05Z
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@Br3nda @evan In the US, there is no legal reason why immigrants shouldn't be able to vote or serve in local government - just political inertia.
(DIR) Post #AbrCnlUQjexjngsXnE by ian@mckellar.social
2023-11-16T07:33:33Z
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@dneary @Br3nda @evan I think it's mostly racism.Since I've become a citizen I've become more frustrated because first-past-the-post feels like trolling rather than actual democracy if you've grown up in a modern democracy.
(DIR) Post #AbrlHaqIHdN3uJV4EK by dneary@mathstodon.xyz
2023-11-16T13:59:52Z
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@ian @Br3nda @evan I live in a state where, in theory, towns can vote to allow immigrants to vote ("Home Rule") - however, such votes need to be ratified by the State (the House, I think, although it might be the Secretary of State) to take effect, and they haven't been.
(DIR) Post #AbsORTRsWaXS5GmZKy by evan@cosocial.ca
2023-11-16T01:35:41Z
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Should non-citizen residents of a city get to vote in municipal elections?#EvanPoll #poll
(DIR) Post #AbsORUdG7lEhkr7AiO by thisismissem@hachyderm.io
2023-11-16T01:48:52Z
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@evan non-citizen residents of 3 years (with tax paying) should get a vote in all elections, not just local government.Edit: that is to say, if you participate in and contribute to a society, you should have a say in that society. That's democracy, anything that limits participation to only citizens, limit's democracy.
(DIR) Post #AbsORVyv6i9nwKFz7I by drq@mastodon.ml
2023-11-16T21:18:46Z
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@thisismissem Also, what's "citizenship"?Yeah-yeah, legally speaking, it's a stamp in a paper (in a system where everything is a fucking stamp in a paper).In real-world terms, though, at least in my book, if you live in, participate and contribute to some society, it pretty much makes you a citizen of that society, correct me if I'm wrong.@evan
(DIR) Post #AbsORY6RDjMKWDn172 by thisismissem@hachyderm.io
2023-11-16T01:57:51Z
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@evan When I lived in the UK, I could vote in elections, it was actually the outcome of the 2015 general election that caused me to move to Berlin.In Germany & Berlin, especially, there's something like a quarter of the adult population can't vote because they're non-citizens and not EU-citizens. (Might have the number high). But think about that, is it really democracy if 25% of adults can't vote? Same goes with voter ID laws which suppress democracy.
(DIR) Post #AbsQM9QBl3BKQma7FY by thisismissem@hachyderm.io
2023-11-16T21:40:09Z
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@drq @evan true, but I'm following the typical states definition here, hence preferring the inclusive residents language over citizens
(DIR) Post #AbsQbvgIbxBARxdn8q by drq@mastodon.ml
2023-11-16T21:43:05Z
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@thisismissem Fair.@evan
(DIR) Post #Abubk1lZMIk1S15cyu by evan@cosocial.ca
2023-11-17T19:45:53Z
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I'm not sure why so many people read this wrong.Apparently there are places where non-resident property owners can vote in municipal elections, which is apparently controversial. So people who are dealing with that might have jumped to the conclusion that this poll was about that issue.Also, "non-resident" is a more common term than "non-citizen", I think. So mentally people might have juxtaposed them.
(DIR) Post #Abubp1STvlfZwaXlGi by evan@cosocial.ca
2023-11-16T03:05:16Z
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Please read the question carefully! A lot of people are getting it wrong and expressing regret in the comments.Of course, the stakes are extremely low.
(DIR) Post #Abubp3GrBxYjZ77VQW by bobjonkman@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-11-16T06:57:55Z
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@evan>Please read the question carefully! A lot of people are getting it wrong and expressing regret in the comments.Now he tells me...