Post AV9CUPXXztQ8cwcYme by unlambda@hachyderm.io
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(DIR) Post #AV5mnE93PKHYVPb1lI by mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io
2023-04-27T21:41:43Z
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All of the posts on Mastodon about how the Blue Sky team was silly for releasing a social media network in 2023 without blocking and moderation, even in private beta, and that the Blue Sky team should have known what would happen......are being written on Mastodon: a social media platform that in 2023, still doesn't take into account that Black users face a disproportionate amount of very specific types of abuse, and is missing key features that would make the Black population safer. šš
(DIR) Post #AV5mnH38bmKfVvqqSO by mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io
2023-04-27T21:44:53Z
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It really is the social media equipment of white folks telling Black folks that Boston is less racist than the South, and completely ignoring any Black folk that live in Boston or anywhere else in the US trying to talk about what their real, lived, experiences have been.Many Mastodon users are just completely convinced of the superiority of their moderation philosophy, and they are as happy to ignore the few Black Fedi users in 2023 as they were in 2017.
(DIR) Post #AV5msaFwct3wWvNDay by AIaYYAle4i1uKmKpqy.gme@bofh.social
2023-04-27T23:19:09.389926Z
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@mekkaokereke Have you looked at some of the other projects on the fediverse other than mastodon to see if they have the features you need?
(DIR) Post #AV64f28rwsxu8ZkiCe by mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io
2023-04-28T01:16:47Z
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I'm not interested in having Fedi 'splained to me. I'm just saying why more Black folk are on BlueSky:1. It should be almost impossible for a new, non-technical user to onboard onto the Fediverse and accidentally join a server where they will receive racist death threats.2. It should not be possible for racists to reply to a Black user's post with hateful gore images, without other users on the server knowing it.3. It should be easy for a new admin to default into a safe, general denylist.
(DIR) Post #AV64f2pPOizcGVegVc by mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io
2023-04-28T01:22:18Z
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This isn't an exhaustive list, but these 3 are fairly straightforward ones. And they're not new. You can seriously find Black users asking for these going back to 2017.Even trying to discuss these often results in:* You just don't know how the Fediverse works!* Shared deny lists can be abused, so let's never have them!* You just love Twitter! You want quote tweets! You want Elon to hurt you again!
(DIR) Post #AV64f3VarsjkNLONGK by mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io
2023-04-28T01:30:27Z
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So Black Fediverse users tend to self-select into one of a few buckets:1) Kinda Stubborn (AKA, this isn't my 1st racism): Willing to stay until things improve. People like me, @BlackAzizAnansi etc.2) Super Stubborn (AKA, I will change you!): Willing to stay and fight the tide of the whole Fediverse for as long as it takes to fix things. @Are0h etc.3) Normal People (AKA, life is too short): They just leave the Fediverse. This is most Black folk.The "3s" are going from Twitter to BlueSky.š¤·šæāāļø
(DIR) Post #AV64f4AMQJLYPmSvo0 by gretared@vis.social
2023-04-28T02:38:21Z
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@mekkaokereke what makes BlueSky different/better for black folks? I have very little knowledge about it.
(DIR) Post #AV64f6iovA6ELEbTnM by mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io
2023-04-28T01:42:28Z
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@BlackAzizAnansi @Are0h If you take one thing from my little thread here it's this: Black people don't leave the fediverse because of openly racist people.Just like Black people don't leave Boston or San Francisco because of the openly racist people. There are openly racist people everywhere.š¤·šæāāļøBlack people leave the fediverse, Boston, and San Francisco, because of the behavior of the supposed "non-racist" people. The combination of extreme racism, and denial of its existence, is too much.
(DIR) Post #AV6EQ198MrMuFNM3fc by mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io
2023-04-28T04:27:39Z
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@gretared It does all of the 3 needed things above better (or is designed to).It listens to Black women who talk about their abuse.It prioritizes the concept of "moderation providers."There's none of this that Mastodon can't do. There's none of this that Black users and admins haven't asked Mastodon for over the years. FediBlock is essentially a moderation provider. It's just not fully integrated. There are proposals for shutting down reply visibility abuse. They haven't been accepted.
(DIR) Post #AV6HMv9aUXlEeemXlQ by gretared@vis.social
2023-04-28T05:00:46Z
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@mekkaokereke who is the āitā in this? Better hosts? Or just more responsive moderators?
(DIR) Post #AV7AvpHzmYMU55N6lE by Ear_bele@fediscience.org
2023-04-28T14:54:36Z
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@mekkaokereke @BlackAzizAnansi @Are0h It's my fixed opinion that twitter succeeded so many years because of #BlackTwitter, not the journalists and academics.
(DIR) Post #AV7Avq3qucduTVlKM4 by mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io
2023-04-28T15:10:33Z
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@Ear_bele @BlackAzizAnansi @Are0h Yep. Anyone that's looked at the data for any major western social network sees this paradox:The social network that grows, is the one where young Black and brown women, feel comfortable to create. No exceptions. You can see in the BlueSky graph, the impact of one well connected Black woman (Aliafonzy). The big clump in the center is BlackTechTwitter (BlackTwitter + cool tech folk). Many of those folk are there because of her.https://bsky.jazco.dev/
(DIR) Post #AV7Avqk2NmO2aLV16m by mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io
2023-04-28T15:15:13Z
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@Ear_bele @BlackAzizAnansi @Are0h The BlueSky devs kept feeding her invite codes, and she brought BlackTechTwitter over.Could've been us, but her friends had such a bad experience on Mastodon, that she wouldn't consider it.š¤·šæāāļøOne of her friends said that she tried to move servers 4 times on Mastodon before she gave up. And each Mastodon move, she lost all her posts.You can see why a harm reduction strategy, and following community, might lead people to Blue Sky.
(DIR) Post #AV7AvrekytkzQG2JW4 by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2023-04-28T15:23:14Z
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@mekkaokereke @Ear_bele @BlackAzizAnansi @Are0hshe should try moving servers on bluesky...
(DIR) Post #AV7ZcWhv8tnjnoOMVc by onceitwas@mas.to
2023-04-28T16:34:16Z
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@mekkaokereke @BlackAzizAnansi @Are0h isn't blue sky also twitter?
(DIR) Post #AV7ZcXJqrs8thS8edE by mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io
2023-04-28T18:51:27Z
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@onceitwas @BlackAzizAnansi @Are0h Not really.BlueSky is the AT Protocol, and an implementation of that protocol to build a social network, available at BlueSky. I do not trust Jack Dorsey's judgement, but this site is run by Jay Graber. All fan mail or hate mail should be directed at her. It's kind of insulting to rob her of her agency for her good and bad decisions.Look at the experience for Black users.And separate out the protocol, and its ideas for safety, from the implementation.
(DIR) Post #AV7ZcY6PxIzU84rRKa by mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io
2023-04-28T18:56:56Z
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@onceitwas @BlackAzizAnansi @Are0h Jay has made her own decisions that have been criticized. Like having a large beta with no blocking. Jack is her questionable investor.Read the AT Protocol docs. Understand what they're proposing with moderation providers and safe defaults. People have been trying to build that into Mastodon for years.You can take good ideas from people you disagree with. Mastodon could do any of the things that would make the experience safer for Black users at any time.
(DIR) Post #AV7ZcYltT6ASCiGYym by KimCrayton1@dair-community.social
2023-04-28T19:06:49Z
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@onceitwas @Are0h @mekkaokereke @BlackAzizAnansi and yetā¦here we areā¦donāt judge Black folx to desiring to maintain the communities AND connections we developed on Twitter after years of figuring out how to keep ourselves relatively safe when everyone else didnāt give a shitMost are ONLY hyping mastodon because, as predicted, they, or those they care about, are now being targetedAgain, I canāt tell the difference between twitter and mastodonā¦so fix that
(DIR) Post #AV7Zfrazw8G9SHkFxQ by aka_quant_noir@cinematheque.social
2023-04-28T19:34:24Z
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@KimCrayton1 @onceitwas @Are0h @mekkaokereke @BlackAzizAnansi I've been here since December and still haven't seen additional protective or even functional tools announced or come out in that time. I don't see devs asking for advice from users either.
(DIR) Post #AV7Zfs9NsHlVAvpiYS by KimCrayton1@dair-community.social
2023-04-28T19:53:42Z
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@Are0h @mekkaokereke @aka_quant_noir @onceitwas @BlackAzizAnansi the fact that Black folx have to play āinstance rouletteā in order to land in a safe space is absolutely ridiculous AND unsustainableMastodon advocates who refuse to ACKNOWLEDGE this as a reason for the lack of Black folx experiencing welcoming and psychological safety will be its downfall for this specific communityā¦Twitter wasnāt better, weād just figured it out
(DIR) Post #AV88NBiGPjK0k0yRLU by peterbutler@mas.to
2023-04-28T19:13:44Z
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@fivetonsflax @mekkaokereke Like most everywhere, itās remarkably segregated, so itās easy for white people to visit and not even see Black people ā¦ "what racism?āAnd Boston perhaps deserves its bad rap, but also perhaps not to the extent that itās been portrayedhttps://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2021/09/10/boston-racist-reputation/
(DIR) Post #AV88NCZ5FLZZNpgcfw by mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io
2023-04-28T19:26:09Z
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@peterbutler @fivetonsflax If I reached out to a Boston magazine to pitch a story that Boston is the most racist city, they wouldn't print it. But if I reached out to write a story that Boston isn't the most racist city, I could get that printed.š¤·šæāāļøAsk the other Black Boston residents. I went to high school in Massachusetts. Mass had more "Sundown towns" than most places. Town kids in Boston would run around trying to beat up Puerto Rican, Black, and Vietnamese kids. It's super racist.
(DIR) Post #AV88NFwEhisJqVXegC by mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io
2023-04-28T19:41:42Z
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@peterbutler @fivetonsflax The thing about segregated places in the US, is that they never happen organically. Segregation is maintained by violence.There's a direct line between present day Massachusetts segregation, its history of sundown towns, and its more recent history of white young kids violently assaulting non-white people just trying to live in the neighborhood.This scene of Good Will Hunting is fake.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i6zhqOcfqQAIn real life, it's this:https://youtube.com/shorts/N5XE4sdxdaI?feature=share
(DIR) Post #AV99zCART07WGcnjGK by gminks@mas.to
2023-04-29T11:32:22Z
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@peterbutler @fivetonsflax @mekkaokereke what's crazy is that when I moved there from north Florida I was shocked that there weren't black people around. I kept thinking where is everyone?
(DIR) Post #AV99zCs2qszyRrCYE4 by unlambda@hachyderm.io
2023-04-29T13:53:09Z
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@gminks @peterbutler @fivetonsflax @mekkaokereke Oh boy, if you think that Boston is devoid of black people, wait until you visit Vermont. SNL had a pretty good skit on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKcUOUYzDXAI love Vermont, but I do sometimes find it creepy how white it is.
(DIR) Post #AV99zDSCgRvEG07QaO by gminks@mas.to
2023-04-29T14:04:53Z
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@unlambda @peterbutler @fivetonsflax @mekkaokereke oh I know! We were out in the 495 loop. My son & his best friend were big wrestling fans. One Halloween, they were their fav wrestlers. My son was the Hurricane, & his friend showed up as Booker T in full blackface!My kids were mortified & had to explain why he had to wash it off & how he could be his fav wrestler without black face.Kid went on to be a military chaplian. Idk I think it may have been good that he was friends with my son.
(DIR) Post #AV99zEzCzDuv0eZIfY by syntaxseed@phpc.social
2023-04-29T14:20:34Z
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@gminks @unlambda @peterbutler @fivetonsflax @mekkaokereke That's an important lesson that kid got that lots of white folks miss. That it can still be racist & harmful even if the intention wasn't (like the pure innocence of a kid wanting to be like his fav wrestler).The younger kids learn that actions matter regardless of intent, the better.
(DIR) Post #AV9CUPXXztQ8cwcYme by unlambda@hachyderm.io
2023-04-29T14:47:57Z
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@corfiot @mekkaokereke @gminks @peterbutler @syntaxseed @fivetonsflax "X can be harmful regardless of intent" does not mean "intent does not matter"
(DIR) Post #AV9EUS7EcZEMWWSe36 by unlambda@hachyderm.io
2023-04-29T14:54:48Z
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@corfiot @mekkaokereke @gminks @peterbutler @syntaxseed @fivetonsflax Yes, I was paraphrasing to make it more clear.
(DIR) Post #AVAAxOGHp8byJHCKiu by mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io
2023-04-29T23:57:15Z
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@bitbear @BlackAzizAnansi @Are0h My point is not that BlueSky is "systemically better." I'm showing why Black users choose BlueSky over Mastodon, and gaps in Mastodon.Please stop thinking of this in terms of "Things that BlueSky is bad at." and start thinking about it in terms of "What are the specific asks of Mastodon admins and Black users etc that would make Mastodon better, safer, and easier to moderate?"Some of these asks have been around for years before BlueSky was even conceived.
(DIR) Post #AVADQtZUh3oJioNYS8 by beholdnec@mas.to
2023-04-30T02:35:23Z
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@wjmaggosAt least Bluesky has plans for that. Here on Mastodon we've got a feature request that has been open for years with no apparent progress.
(DIR) Post #AVAIUih1a5qKuaXo00 by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2023-04-30T03:32:10Z
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@beholdnecbut on the fedi, we're not fully dependent on Mastodon. other apps like #Calckey might provide what we want. or we could fork something.
(DIR) Post #AVBIoTMcTiioJqNXzE by iragsdale@hachyderm.io
2023-04-28T01:46:37Z
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@mekkaokereke @BlackAzizAnansi @Are0h I have zero disagreement with any of that but I donāt have enough understanding of BlueSky to understand what makes it better on those fronts?
(DIR) Post #AVBIoU87d6iehAbU1o by mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io
2023-04-28T03:20:52Z
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@iragsdale @BlackAzizAnansi @Are0h BlueSky is building in 1st class composable moderation providers. FediBlock faced years of resistance.BlueSky you can see horrible replies. Mastodon, I still run into people that have genuinely never seen the type of abuse that some Black folk endure on the same server that they've been on for years.BlueSky is starting with just one instance, with curated members, so that you *can't* choose an unprotected server by mistake. Mastodon doesn't have that. Etc
(DIR) Post #AVBIoUnb8ttclo0bg0 by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2023-04-30T15:10:26Z
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@mekkaokereke @iragsdale @BlackAzizAnansi @Are0hThis isn't a fair comparison because #BlueSky isn't yet decentralized. Maybe they will find a solution, but I don't think the problems you detailed above can be solved on a decentralized network.
(DIR) Post #AVBLrbWIuTquLX5r3g by pthenq1@mastodon.la
2023-04-30T15:44:37Z
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@mekkaokereke Racism sucks.No sure how to detect automatically racist human trolls. I understand the problem if an user reports a racist insult to a racist admin. The only remedy it occurs to me is to start reporting to the admin and then report the toot or a capture of the toot to #fedibkock.I can see message retaliation on that too. No sure how to proceed on those cases.Eventually, we will get a list of blocked servers because racist admin + admin awareness about racism reports.Have anybody ideas about how to deal with racist human trolling?
(DIR) Post #AVDx4W1QkQ8hgBamHI by bebecool@shitposter.club
2023-05-01T21:51:03.334307Z
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@pthenq1 @mekkaokereke
(DIR) Post #AW9Q3EpZVqiXZDEqrQ by radio@portside.social
2023-05-13T07:27:43Z
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@mekkaokereke why I am not on blob.catit had turned into a playground for Nazi pigs. take note that I am here and erased everything I had as "@indyradio"
(DIR) Post #AW9Q3FdYW0hS4Ecllo by Jeramee@mastodon.social
2023-05-13T11:13:11Z
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@radio @mekkaokereke @indyradio Blob.cat? Is that the bird app?
(DIR) Post #AW9Q3GQ7bRY2UrLYTA by Jain@blob.cat
2023-05-29T15:14:17.597778Z
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@Jeramee @radio @mekkaokereke @indyradio You left the server voluntarily after I asked you to because you were posting exclusively political opinions even though this server was not made for that and it is stated in the rules. Apart from that, your political posts are sometimes very difficult to report and without verifiable sources. This applies less to the news you post, but rather to the more advanced discussions you engage inThere have been accusations of surveillance on your part that are verifiably baseless and in this context I accuse you of lacking and incorrect technical knowledge about how websites work.Likewise, the accusation that we are Nazis is extremely sensitive, is in no way true, comes without a source and is damaging to reputation and the spread of false information. I ask you to leave it alone and would like to point out that this can also damage your credibility.Can't you just leave it be? Up to this point I would not have thought that you have a grudge against us, but I apparently misjudged that. If you still have a problem with us/myself, please clarify it with me, there is no reasonable reason for a public slander campaign to be made by you.
(DIR) Post #AWB90jr4Oopk0t572W by Jeramee@mastodon.social
2023-05-30T10:20:09Z
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@Jain @indyradio @mekkaokereke @radio I don't believe you.From my experience, Radio has focused more on news, and most political opinions have been coupled with historic or current events analysis.Please stop publicly defaming people.
(DIR) Post #AWB90kkj3tLwnV7Yn2 by Jain@blob.cat
2023-05-30T11:12:47.296149Z
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@Jeramee @indyradio @mekkaokereke @radio Feel free to not belive me.You can take a look at our instance, beside of that there should also still be federated messages which would prove it and i can provide you with reports if you want.In addition i would like to remind yourself that indy never posted anything to proof the claims, which tbh should be the first thing to do as soon as someone As soon as such serious accusations are made.I also said that my claims apply to discussions and not the news, they are good in the way they are.And no, i wont stop defend blob.cat in such cases, i bet you wouldnt stop either if someone makes you such accusations without proving them
(DIR) Post #AWBHyPSUA3wZlMXwrA by radio@portside.social
2023-05-30T11:37:18Z
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@Jeramee @Jain @indyradio @mekkaokereke I guess you're responding to someone I blocked. It was enough of a hindrance while I made the mistake of having an account on an experimental server. š
(DIR) Post #AWBHyQtonvOyEQLI6C by Jain@blob.cat
2023-05-30T12:53:11.900279Z
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@radio @Jeramee @indyradio @mekkaokereke > I guess you're responding to someone I blockedtbh, i dont care much about who you blocked, thats your personal decision to do so> It was enough of a hindrance while I made the mistake of having an account on an experimental serveri can live with this accusation. What is important to me is that you do not accuse us of something as serious as fascism.I have enough material and context to prove flawlessly without your posts that this is not the case and to show why you changed servers. Such accusations hurt us on the one hand, because people get a wrong idea about us, and you on the other hand, because it makes you untrustworthy. So please better stop these taunts.
(DIR) Post #AWBIz8P59kzt6zrdyq by Jeramee@mastodon.social
2023-05-30T13:01:55Z
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@Jain @indyradio @mekkaokereke @radio I don't know what you're talking about. I never changed servers. Stop harrassing people.
(DIR) Post #AWBIz9E85xpXfJkPY0 by Jain@blob.cat
2023-05-30T13:04:33.643253Z
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@Jeramee @indyradio @mekkaokereke @radio i guess you didnt saw on who i answered... i answered to indyradio and not you
(DIR) Post #AXi8nkYMlulecswrr6 by Zergling_man@pawoo.net
2023-07-15T07:08:00Z
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@mekkaokereke working as intended
(DIR) Post #AXi8semje4tQBU0dSS by thisismissem@hachyderm.io
2023-04-28T02:34:03Z
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@mekkaokereke I've been pretty vocal on Mastodon's discord about figuring out improvements to moderation tooling (I did a heap of work in 2018 on trying to improve them)I know I don't know the experience of black users, and I mostly draw on my experiences of being trans (different minority, different harms, but maybe some overlap, I'm not sure), but I do dearly wish to have world class moderation tools that just *work* on the fediverse.On point 2 below, the replies, is that due to unlisted?
(DIR) Post #AXi8sfiACYpX3asUyG by mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io
2023-04-28T03:44:24Z
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@thisismissem Yes, unlisted replies.A lot of the targeted abuse that I received while on Mastodon.cloud, was unlisted replies to posts.No one else saw, and mods did nothing with reports.When I moved to Hachyderm, it dropped to practically zero. When it does happen on Hachyderm, mods are all over it. ā„ļøššæ
(DIR) Post #AXi9BtCUH1l2OXE25Y by Zergling_man@pawoo.net
2023-07-15T07:12:22Z
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@roboneko @mekkaokereke :^)
(DIR) Post #AXiAFT75J5NkbDy8Aa by charliebrownau@poa.st
2023-07-15T07:24:14.984755Z
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@mekkaokereke Different Ethnic Groups should NOT be forced to live together in the same house, street, suburb, village, district, city or NationAfricans, Go back to Africa Jews bought you to the white nation
(DIR) Post #AXiAteykbtQ0z1Ef9k by charliebrownau@poa.st
2023-07-15T07:31:29.999706Z
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@mekkaokereke Its da chiiiicoms:- "American" CEOS Bigtech:- * Amazon CEO - Andy jassy(Ashkenazi Jew) * Meta/Fakebook CEO - Mark Zuckerberg (Ashkenazi Jew) * Whatsapp CEO - Jan Koum (Ashkenazi Jew) * Instagram CEO - Adam Mosseri(Ashkenazi Jew) * Alphabet CEO - Larry Page (Ashkenazi Jew)(owns Google) * Youtube CEO - Susan Wojciki (Asheknazi Jew) (Replaced with Diversity shield in 2023) * Twitter CEO - Leslie Berland - People & Marketing(Ashkenazi Jew) * Snapchat CEO - Micheal Lynton(Ashkenazi Jew) * Reddit Chairman - Steven Newhouse(Ashkenazi Jew) * Reddit CEO - Steve Huffman(Ashkenazi Jew) * Tumblr CEO - David Karp(Ashkenazi Jew) * Discord CEO - Jason Citron(Ashkenazi Jew) * Twitch CEO - Emmett Shear (Ashkenazi Jew) * Paypal CEO - Dan Schulman (Ashkenazi Jew) * Imgur -Alan Schaaf (Ashkenazi Jew) Alt Tech :- * ODYSEE CEO ((( Jeremy Kauffman )))- (Ashkenazi Jew) * Rumble CEO ((( Chris Pavlovski ))) -(Ashkenazi Jew) * Gettr - Jason Miller - (Ashkenazi Jew) * DDG CEO - Gabriel Weinberg (Ashkenazi Jew) * Signal - Moxie Marlinspike (Ashkenazi Jew)(Resigned Jan 2022) Gig Economy:- * ETSY CEO - Josh Silverman (Ashkenazi Jew) * AirBnB CEO - Brain Chesky(Ashkenazi Jew) * Uber Founder CEO - Travis Kalanick (Ashkenazi Jew)
(DIR) Post #AkN0chWw4rDDOfpjlo by rdr@5dollah.click
2024-07-27T22:44:38.578292Z
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@mekkaokereke they make mastodon hard to use, so only whites and Chinese can use it
(DIR) Post #AkRQdqMG7G8uVQsu4O by alwillis@mastodon.social
2024-07-28T20:53:00Z
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@mekkaokereke I agree with the points youāre making.And I get the use of Boston and San Francisco as easily understood placeholders.Iāve live in and around Boston my entire life and have traveled to lots of other places.The racism in Boston isnāt any worse than other places; itās just different in ways people from other places generally donāt grok.
(DIR) Post #AkRQdrRc4q1HsKOh3Q by mcmullin@musicians.today
2024-07-29T01:32:21Z
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@alwillis @mekkaokereke Iāve lived in Boston since 2000 but I didnāt grow up here. Iām curious about the ways you find racism here to be different. Can you elaborate? Itās not for me to say how bad it is. I hope itās getting better, but I listen to and accept what I hear from people here who experience it directly.
(DIR) Post #AkRQdsReMBdwyjQEka by mcmullin@musicians.today
2024-07-29T12:53:49Z
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@alwillis By the way, in case it wasnāt clear, Iām not playing dumb here, Iām aware of the kinds of things @mekkaokereke posted above, the horror stories from generations of Black Bostonians, some nasty history and the obvious segregation. Also I didnāt mean my question as any kind of challenge or passive-aggressive sea-lion thing. Iām just hoping to learn something newānot that youāre under any obligation to teach me.
(DIR) Post #AkRQdt5LyZP0xrzwdU by alwillis@mastodon.social
2024-07-29T23:02:51Z
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@mcmullin @mekkaokereke Racism in Boston is well-intentioned, professional white people who do next to nothing about racism in their sphere of influence even when theyāre well positioned to do so.For a long time, Boston racism was a black theocracy beholden to the white power structure, keeping the heat off the mayor (Menino) and city council.itās all the hoops you have jump through to get basic things done while others can make a single phone call.
(DIR) Post #AkRQdtsH2gXBPat0t6 by mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io
2024-07-29T23:24:53Z
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@alwillis @mcmullin There's that too... But there's plain old fashioned "Guys with Celtics jerseys jump out, yell racist slurs, and try to beat up Asian store keepers, Black school kids, and any minority that they don't like."š¤·šæāāļøBoston is a physically violent city, especially when it comes to hate crimes. You could get beat up just for being Black / Asian in the wrong place. And locals just say garbage like "Mean streets of Boston." Listen to this teacher:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xMfu1641x9o
(DIR) Post #AkRQduXOZnQZT87qz2 by mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io
2024-07-29T23:28:06Z
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@alwillis @mcmullin The only things I find unique about Boston racism, are the volume of it that's hidden behind Celtics paraphernalia Celtic crosses and Irish symbolism, as opposed to Confederate flags, and the extent that people in Boston think that they are not racist, while doing and saying things that would never fly in Atlanta.I find it ironic that as a group, Irish people from Ireland, are so much less racist than people who claim Ireland but live in Boston. šš
(DIR) Post #AkRQdvM5XJye0LqKzw by mcmullin@musicians.today
2024-07-30T01:22:32Z
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@mekkaokereke @alwillis That was actually something that struck me very strongly when I first visited Boston in the early 90s. Iām of Irish descent and familiar with other strands of Irish American culture. My family never made a big deal of it, but itās just a fact of our background.Boston was the only place Iād ever encountered an Irish American community that seemed to still consider themselves a separate race, and have a big chip on the shoulder about it.
(DIR) Post #AkRQdw4OsZQGDmZj4C by tomjennings@tldr.nettime.org
2024-07-30T01:55:04Z
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@mcmullin @mekkaokereke @alwillis A wee bit of provincial info on that... i'm a damn yankee, potato-famine white trash, lol.in grade school, early 1960s, there still existed rivalries between irish- and italian-decent people in our shitty litle town or franklin MA. It was vestigial mostly, but i can remember it, people concerned with the 'meanings' of family names.it stems from northern east coast (NYC to Boston) 18th C immigrant issues, lower class immigrant worker stuff, who fought over shit jobs. irish cops, italian mafia. old crap that refuses to die i guess.I remember my horrible grandmother complaining to her son, my father, about aunt and uncle so and so, dad not listening but at some point asked who are you talking about, ... tl;dr she was talking about something HER mother had complained about. turns out they had died before the 20th century began.People can malinger on truly petty shit, especially when not a lot is happening in their own lives.
(DIR) Post #AkRQdwc4rMMRuEKcYi by mcmullin@musicians.today
2024-07-30T01:36:55Z
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@mekkaokereke @alwillis I was living in NYC, on Tompkins Square near Loisaida (= āLower East Sideā as pronounced by the predominantly Latino residents of the neighborhood) when I first took a bike ride through South Boston on a weekend visit. This would have been around 1995. I remember thinking this is almost familiar as another kind of ethnic enclave, only everyone looks like meāmy ethnicity, but certainly a different culture, and not one I felt at home in.
(DIR) Post #AkRQdyuaJWLz2D0QgS by mcmullin@musicians.today
2024-07-30T01:45:47Z
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@mekkaokereke @alwillis So Iām Irish American and I live in Boston, but Iām not Boston Irish. Thatās a whole other identity. Which has nothing to do with Ireland, by the way. 30 years ago when I first encountered it, it seemed mainly to be about nursing grudges over power struggles from 150 years before, which the Boston Irish had basically won already decades ago. I didnāt understand why they couldnāt get over it.
(DIR) Post #AkRTYjFHQtJirSsBiy by RufusJCooter@mstdn.social
2024-07-30T02:27:45Z
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@tomjennings @mcmullin @mekkaokereke @alwillis Indeed. One of my earliest memories is my (wildly racist) French-Canadian great uncle saying wildly racist isht about the Irish, in front of my Irish-American uncle and cousins, in whose house he was living, and who were serving as his caretaker in his golden years.