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(DIR) Post #AUjD5xuA8oGRoQ9FWi by errante@rot.gives
2023-04-17T01:53:45.734650Z
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what is fundamental for life?1. water2. food3. shelterto gain power over someone, you control these three aspects, or you control the people who control them.someone cannot be free if they are dependent on another for their life; they are bound by that person. how to start being free? control the fundamentals of your life - water, food, shelter.
(DIR) Post #AUjDBnswJ6NcTSMNsW by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-17T01:55:36Z
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@errante The broader questions:1. Do most people want to be free?2. Is there a higher ideal than freedom?
(DIR) Post #AUjDFzmtzm2QY1XEZ6 by errante@rot.gives
2023-04-17T01:55:34.615084Z
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@amerika 1. no. i do.2. yes. but, highers require lowers. lets be free first and see where that takes us.
(DIR) Post #AUjDJ3da8fTfM8dTPs by lina@eientei.org
2023-04-17T01:56:45.385367Z
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@errante lmao just kill everyone who cares about water and food an shelter if they're all dead? :D:
(DIR) Post #AUjDKG4POquEClkwVM by errante@rot.gives
2023-04-17T01:56:22.154291Z
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@prouddegenerate i hope to only bottom for big brea
(DIR) Post #AUjDQ0azqWVBwvjziy by errante@rot.gives
2023-04-17T01:57:24.505556Z
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@prouddegenerate wow what
(DIR) Post #AUjDUHHfk1VErjjntY by banana@kiwifarms.cc
2023-04-17T01:57:54.215596Z
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@errante missing 4. have sex incel
(DIR) Post #AUjDULuSXkuDDBupuK by errante@rot.gives
2023-04-17T01:58:08.028314Z
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@banana :akarietto: again? so soon? my ass still hurts :akarided:
(DIR) Post #AUjDVcNYnQWua28B60 by errante@rot.gives
2023-04-17T01:58:24.787098Z
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@transpian @prouddegenerate it is not, she is in a monogamous relationship with me
(DIR) Post #AUjDWUf8yGgGwClz04 by errante@rot.gives
2023-04-17T01:58:34.538660Z
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@prouddegenerate degen bottom arc
(DIR) Post #AUjDbIUTebDOdQ4fkO by errante@rot.gives
2023-04-17T01:59:26.785589Z
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@prouddegenerate
(DIR) Post #AUjJ6TxbYiFyxJO7Q8 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-17T03:01:52Z
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@errante 1. A personal choice that may be granted to you by other systems.2. I have to disagree here: going for the wrong goal ensures loss.
(DIR) Post #AUjJCrDY0CiAp8svbs by errante@rot.gives
2023-04-17T03:02:13.711767Z
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@amerika > 1. A personal choice that may be granted to you by other systems.not within the constraints i desire > 2. I have to disagree here: going for the wrong goal ensures loss.i dont view freedom as the wrong goal, nor an option; i see it as the beginning of the options. once you have it, you can do some interesting stuff
(DIR) Post #AUjJJF8xxULKlbmrRo by errante@rot.gives
2023-04-17T03:03:25.299675Z
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@amerika the point of me seeking this level of autonomy is such that i do not have to rely on an external system, like i said - i can become a system unto myself. ultimately, i seek the creation of many, many such systems unto themselves
(DIR) Post #AUjzjLJ5rVPLUCeTT6 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-17T10:59:30Z
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@errante However, you are never not reliant on some external system. Try going 48 hours without the sun!And, others with the same power would simply make carnage and waste.So it makes sense to instead of trying to flee the current system, trying to fix it...
(DIR) Post #AUjzrKLhJ8bwpcg2ka by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-17T11:00:57Z
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@errante "The beginning of the options" sounds good, but is it true? We had freedom and ended up here, and since most people are fools, freedom for all creates a kingdom of fools.This is what snapped me out of the remaining solipsism that is found in libertarianism. We are all free = we are ruled by the LCD.
(DIR) Post #AUk00xkqAURxeU23KC by errante@rot.gives
2023-04-17T11:01:52.365714Z
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@amerika > However, you are never not reliant on some external system. Try going 48 hours without the sun!i rather be beholden to nature than to another man
(DIR) Post #AUk09EdTHwN4KBWuYq by errante@rot.gives
2023-04-17T11:03:23.249231Z
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@amerika > We had freedom and ended up herefreedom for all, perhaps not. but many individuals and small groups have had freedom and turned out well. i hope to join their ranks
(DIR) Post #AUk0DFOsO5eDr1cGsi by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-17T11:04:54Z
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@errante Nature is a system of a mathematical nature. It extends beyond objects.This means that no matter how much we try to run from it, it is within us.
(DIR) Post #AUk0FK3O3c6krjYQnQ by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-17T11:05:17Z
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@errante Like I said... under the system I propose, you would have everything you wanted.A town could organize itself by those principles easily.
(DIR) Post #AUk0RR6BgnZyBtdlvU by errante@rot.gives
2023-04-17T11:06:39.925233Z
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@amerika perhaps, perhaps. but i have no care for your system, or any system. i am relentlessly stubborn and bullheaded in my desires, and i want them fulfilled in my way, not yours~
(DIR) Post #AUk0bkXwEqSZP0XSOe by errante@rot.gives
2023-04-17T11:08:32.366934Z
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@amerika correct, but the weather cannot be cruel nor kind, deceitful nor honest, but a human could be all. the only ruler who can be truly impartial is the one that does not have a who :)
(DIR) Post #AUk1CW9ei1lvTwiG5g by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-17T11:15:59Z
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@errante This is why we call it individualism, but the question is, is it good?Civilization has benefits.
(DIR) Post #AUk1GJ7f6WoIDoaU6q by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-17T11:16:39Z
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@errante I would argue the exact opposite: the best leader is not impartial and is aware of that fact, but is oriented toward success instead of negatives.These leaders tend to be least likely to mess with personal lives.
(DIR) Post #AUk1XtRXJoMnn6GkPw by errante@rot.gives
2023-04-17T11:18:59.822515Z
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@amerika oh amerika honey, you dont seem to get the message; i've never cared about what is 'good'. i have a care for what is right, myself, yes, but i have no delusions of societal overhaul, positive or otherwise.
(DIR) Post #AUk1bUbrag87vhodyS by errante@rot.gives
2023-04-17T11:19:43.928216Z
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@amerika perhaps, but im not seeking the best leader or ruler. im seeking the impartial one. we call that ruler Tao :)
(DIR) Post #AUk1iD6l3m1TfzTBsu by Abby@boks.moe
2023-04-17T11:21:43.256082Z
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@errante @amerika someone call?
(DIR) Post #AUk1nImTObYgiaPS8e by Abby@boks.moe
2023-04-17T11:22:38.306470Z
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@errante @amerika I can't promise to be impartial but I'll certainly be a fun leader
(DIR) Post #AUk1o0NrHU0rwzEPse by errante@rot.gives
2023-04-17T11:21:57.679745Z
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@Abby @amerika hm? your name is abby :akarietto:
(DIR) Post #AUk2HDFeWCVuFyJw1I by errante@rot.gives
2023-04-17T11:27:15.180378Z
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@amerika ch34:The Great Way runsto left, to right,the ten thousand thingsdepending on it,living on it,accepted by it.Doing its work,it goes unnamed.Clothing and feedingthe ten thousand things,it lays no claim on themand asks nothing of them.Call it a small matter.The ten thousand thingsreturn to it,thought it lays no claim on them.Call it great.ch5:Heaven and earth aren’t humane.To them the ten thousand thingsare straw dogs.
(DIR) Post #AUk2MfRj7P0P9IZLlY by paulo@boks.moe
2023-04-17T11:29:01.028569Z
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@Abby @amerika @errante there's no such thing as an impartial leader
(DIR) Post #AUk2g97d0ahWgmSM9Q by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-17T11:32:32Z
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@errante This assumes that impartiality leads to goodness.I do not think nature is impartial, do you?
(DIR) Post #AUk2idTb7fmLPVv4m8 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-17T11:32:59Z
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@errante "Right" then: that which produces the positive.Society may be lost, but someone will produce a functional one that lasts, and inherit the world.
(DIR) Post #AUk2kAgJ9XOQgRb4HA by Abby@boks.moe
2023-04-17T11:33:16.801808Z
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@errante @amerika Abby Tao(n't)
(DIR) Post #AUk2lPJyCyHENSjoeG by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-17T11:33:29Z
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@errante @Abby I agree: impartiality is a spook.Someone who is able to move toward right/good/sane however is the best option.
(DIR) Post #AUk2nXZSVT6AXj037I by errante@rot.gives
2023-04-17T11:33:06.081202Z
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@amerika > "Right" then: that which produces the positive.no, no, my right is to avoid causing unjustified harm. i have no desire to directly hurt people; such is my ethic. it is not societal
(DIR) Post #AUk2p0YuChj6kMROO8 by Abby@boks.moe
2023-04-17T11:34:09.027129Z
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@amerika @errante maximum fun
(DIR) Post #AUk2sbEOKEotLJYesC by errante@rot.gives
2023-04-17T11:34:01.047753Z
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@amerika i do not think nature is partial nor impartial.to be partial or impartial is to be human. nature is not human. humans are human.nature is the wrong word here, anyway. its a standin for Dao. > This assumes that impartiality leads to goodness.nay; like i said, i dont care about goodness, i care about these other things :)
(DIR) Post #AUk2zv216egEmPGBcG by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-17T11:36:07Z
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@errante Goodness can simply be what is functional. That is part of the nature-pattern which you call Dao.
(DIR) Post #AUk32MKgZYKq229jBA by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-17T11:36:33Z
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@errante No one sane wants to hurt people at least without need.However, we hurt them by having any system other than that which produces the positive.
(DIR) Post #AUk32eXkrhU6VmPQ36 by errante@rot.gives
2023-04-17T11:35:49.359856Z
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@amerika perhaps, perhaps. but now we're getting into subjectivity
(DIR) Post #AUk3CA90k8G97tMzOS by errante@rot.gives
2023-04-17T11:37:32.157898Z
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@amerika amerika, you're not going to be able to convince me that your system, let alone any, produces the positive :P
(DIR) Post #AUk3XC9oSDiNRzm2gS by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-17T11:42:07Z
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@errante As a nihilist, I reject the dichotomy of objectivity and subjectivity.People express what reflects themselves, and can only perceive what is consistent with that.
(DIR) Post #AUk3e64zRwAQcyoEaW by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-17T11:43:22Z
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@errante "Convince" is a difficult standard because it gives the other part a way out at all times.However, I think it can be made clear that this system produces the positive, or at least more of it than any other options.Everything is a system. The ecosystem determines a great deal, and people need insulation against that; those who have no system will quickly be ruled by those who do.
(DIR) Post #AUk3kCDDYrLjNxZ8tM by errante@rot.gives
2023-04-17T11:43:41.996477Z
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@amerika you act in opposition to the ecosystem, i seek to move in tandem with it. insulate, yes, but insulate working with, rather than against.
(DIR) Post #AUk3ty5MwF96T6YQnA by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-17T11:46:14Z
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@errante I must disagree here. What I promote is entirely based on the natural model.
(DIR) Post #AUk4OvH5RJksj9nNyq by errante@rot.gives
2023-04-17T11:51:02.691599Z
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@amerika your natural model is always an interpretation, as is mine. you propose something based on the natural model, but you say right here:> The ecosystem determines a great deal, and people need insulation against thateverything that operates on this principle falls fastest. the
(DIR) Post #AUkAYib41td41qC4ye by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-04-17T13:00:50Z
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@errante This is the nature of humanity: we build fire, shelter, and crops to shield ourselves from the ecosystem.This is why we tend toward runaway technologies.The point is to find a balance: natural patterns accommodating our unique role.