Post ATVqSssMpReeZUvgEy by ramsey@phpc.social
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(DIR) Post #ATUIBVtnPcGAmsBQ4O by Gargron@mastodon.social
2023-03-10T23:14:36Z
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If Meta is really working on a new ActivityPub-powered social network, I see it as a very positive signal overall--my personal feelings towards Meta notwithstanding. For one, it's validation for our entire ecosystem from the biggest player. It also tells me that they don't see themselves as strong enough to keep users locked inside their walled garden anymore. It means the tide is really turning for interoperable social media, and that's always been the goal.
(DIR) Post #ATUJGN2ds3DqidCVpQ by victor@crucible.world
2023-03-10T23:30:53.918391Z
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@Gargron ExtendEmbraceExtinguish
(DIR) Post #ATUJc6WJyeKJqkRjbE by spiritsplice@pieville.net
2023-03-10T23:31:50Z
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@Gargron It was never the goal. It is a backup plan to control all speech.
(DIR) Post #ATUJgU1YX5Kpu690PQ by hardisk@social.optimus.ovh
2023-03-10T23:15:35Z
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@Gargron ActivityPub has reached escape velocity
(DIR) Post #ATUKU77HybDjKvUX2W by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2023-03-10T23:44:06.178784Z
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@Gargron Yeah, I do have a bit of worry in terms of culture and good old Embrace Extend Extinguish (not a strong one though, I don't think people would leave OG Fediverse to Meta, more like the other way around really).At least I would very much welcome tearing the wall of Facebook down.
(DIR) Post #ATUPDiO0efV1m4JPoO by chjara@snowdin.town
2023-03-11T00:37:05.710558Z
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buddy what they're here for EEE
(DIR) Post #ATUPDint6SCR4KQ59E by gamer@bungle.online
2023-03-11T00:37:36.644Z
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@chjara@snowdin.town did you really expect the grongon to have any foresight
(DIR) Post #ATUPk1Wn1RfcPKpD5E by a1ba@suya.place
2023-03-11T00:43:28.068527Z
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@lanodan @Gargron remember when Google supported XMPP? It did change the reputation of XMPP from positive to negative, when they were slowly killing XMPP support.And it wasn't a technical problem that Google's support for it was incomplete, they just didn't care enough.
(DIR) Post #ATURCqNxd1RwCb0AbI by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2023-03-11T00:59:54.388627Z
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@Gargron And calling bookers niggers is gonna be fun.
(DIR) Post #ATURlhNJ7ZxIOMJf6W by Revertron@zhub.link
2023-03-11T01:06:08Z
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@Gargron Meta has very bad year right now. They loose a lot of audience, and loose money from advertisers. Stocks are going down.Their attempts to pull users into VR failed, and they came up with another hype topic - decentralization.I bet that they will try to suck in all the user info from all instances, make up some profiles for everyone and show ads as posts.I officially declare, that when I will hear about start of their instance, I will block it on mine immediately.Privacy of my users is more valuable than Meta's audience.
(DIR) Post #ATUTEx9ncf2DgvVlZo by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2023-03-11T01:22:10.715860Z
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@a1ba @Gargron IIRC what Google did is make people migrate en masse to Google Talk, for various reasons but a lot of them even made technical sense due to XMPP's pretty poor interoperability on almost all levels and the particular case of VoIP being an horrible pain to get working thanks to NAT.Meanwhile in this particular case:- I don't believe People won't move to Facebook's servers- Facebook has been leaking users for the past years, so I believe people *will* leave Facebook, specially if they can still contact some people after migrating to the other side- The fediverse bootstrapped itself / works standalone, it's not the extraneous network like it was in GnuSocial era where basically everyone had accounts on a bigger network
(DIR) Post #ATUWO9D6TgTTXi8HuC by a1ba@suya.place
2023-03-11T01:57:56.091273Z
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@lanodan @Gargron I want to believe that, but so far, it sounds like EEE. When they will have enough of AP and federation quirks, they will just silently kill it, killing social connections as well.Also Facebook is ultra censored, I don't think they just fit here.
(DIR) Post #ATUYyPGWSj0Tfc9JhI by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2023-03-11T02:26:01.525053Z
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@a1ba @Gargron Censorship is a funny one because if you look at the fediverse, people leave instances with too much restrictions (or not enough).It's going to be a cultural mess, that's for sure but we have pretty good moderation and curation tools on the fediverse side of things and some instances that will probably annoy the shit out of facebook.As for EEE, I think it's actually not the right one, the amount of features and stuff doesn't matters much, at least beyond techies.What matters is which is hype / has wind in their sails, and facebook is a ship lost at sea.
(DIR) Post #ATUZdVgVV7ljS3u2wy by matty@nicecrew.digital
2023-03-11T02:34:21.195071Z
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pee pee poo poo du hasst mich gefaght
(DIR) Post #ATUa54SQKAxf7HSQlc by PodunkPotato@nicecrew.digital
2023-03-11T02:39:19.455721Z
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Autotranslate read this as:Typical German Porn, gay fag.
(DIR) Post #ATUcf4N6JwzhBRGFiC by a1ba@suya.place
2023-03-11T03:08:14.682965Z
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@lanodan @Gargron we'll see anyway. :)
(DIR) Post #ATUd5sA7p4978TyMEK by dpp@mastodon.social
2023-03-10T23:19:43Z
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@Gargron please be aware of and careful about embrace and extend… https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish
(DIR) Post #ATUxKJbwZ1wTP69Gy0 by fcktheworld587@social.linux.pizza
2023-03-11T06:59:46Z
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@Gargron I think they see the fediverse as a credible threat, and seek to poison it
(DIR) Post #ATUyJdiSQcEbQIR9yC by victoriadecapua@mastodon.social
2023-03-11T07:10:51Z
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@fcktheworld587 @Gargron I agree. It's profoundly naive to suggest they don't see themselves as strong, and Twitter did fine keeping people in a walled garden until Musk came along. If Gargron wants to be an alternative he needs to *do* something about scale instead of just getting excited over Murdoch owned newspapers signing up. Meta, et all, has 500x the resources than one non profit in Germany does.
(DIR) Post #ATVFnPZvFquFU5E8X2 by Azt3c@mastodon.social
2023-03-11T10:26:38Z
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@RevertronI tend to agree. They don't do anything without monetization.Besides, it could be classic EEE strategy...@Gargron
(DIR) Post #ATVKgbkA7sXWxQakJE by iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org
2023-03-11T11:20:35Z
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I guess, the last. corps had never supported open protocols just for fun.
(DIR) Post #ATVVS0vDKZ3eCN0Lse by mike@flipboard.social
2023-03-11T03:31:18Z
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@Gargron From experience I can tell you the Facebook playbook: 1) Tightly embrace and clone the latest new thing2) Reach out to the people who've been key in building/supporting that new thing with attractive partnerships to gain their support, trust and endorsement3) Abruptly pull support from those same people when either a) the current new thing is under their control or b) the next new thing arrivesI've seen these movies too many times and the sequels keep getting worse.
(DIR) Post #ATVVS1PhVDRbivGhOq by Keef86@mastodon.social
2023-03-11T06:39:25Z
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@mike @Gargron
(DIR) Post #ATVeuvmCRIYQE3eTOC by textfiles@digipres.club
2023-03-11T15:07:51Z
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@Gargron no way, man.
(DIR) Post #ATVqSssMpReeZUvgEy by ramsey@phpc.social
2023-03-11T17:16:45Z
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@textfiles @Gargron Embrace extend extinguish
(DIR) Post #ATVquKsunhOLG4H9OL by rysiek@mstdn.social
2023-03-11T15:04:39Z
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@Gargron I agree with this assessment, but this is also a huge threat to fedi. After all, same things could have been said about XMPP back in the day when Google Talk and Facebook Messenger both used it!We *have to* learn that lesson and proceed with an abundance of caution. Meta would not be doing this if they didn't think they can somehow "own" and control the resulting ecosystem in some critically important way.
(DIR) Post #ATXvyTQvqZYR15tnnc by Bringiton@musician.social
2023-03-11T05:12:41Z
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@Gargron Why do people call it "Meta" anyway? Call it what it is...Fakebook...Or as I call it the dark surveillance capital machine with no accountability or transparency...
(DIR) Post #ATXxf0ax2jSvyxQohk by acb@mastodon.social
2023-03-11T09:28:33Z
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@Gargron that sounds a bit too much like “If Microsoft is really working on a web browser”
(DIR) Post #ATYD74VnZXmhYDrRSa by jcast@mastodon.social
2023-03-12T20:09:51Z
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@Gargron #fediblock
(DIR) Post #ATYG15pY3aFllVwJHM by allenstenhaus@oddballs.vip
2023-03-12T19:52:09Z
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@victoriadecapua @fcktheworld587 @Gargron More instances would help. Perhaps easing restrictions on which instances are publicly listed. While I understand & appreciate an instance having daily backups, adding daily backups to my very small instance increases operating costs by about 60%. I can't justify that until I have a larger user base, but I can't get a larger user base without being officially listed, which I need daily backups for. >>
(DIR) Post #ATYG16NE2NBxRxhCls by allenstenhaus@oddballs.vip
2023-03-12T19:54:13Z
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@victoriadecapua @fcktheworld587 @Gargron Is there a way to list all instances that wish to be listed, but perhaps give them a rating of some kind? Gold instances have daily backups, multiple admins, & other such perks, silver instances have weekly backups, one admin, & other perks, bronze has maybe monthly backups with few other perks, then unrated. Letting them all be listed & leaving choice to the user strengthens the fediverse, IMO.
(DIR) Post #ATYG4GRb3H9FYHFSnQ by fcktheworld587@social.linux.pizza
2023-03-12T21:13:54Z
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@allenstenhaus @victoriadecapua @Gargron these all sound like great ideas!
(DIR) Post #ATYzQZHoAplIIWgBgu by GNUxeava@mk.absturztau.be
2023-03-13T05:42:09.613Z
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@chjara@snowdin.town this dude is delusional. I thought it was common knowledge by now? Let's ignore him and keep doing our thing.
(DIR) Post #ATkafCFArbxgL3swTo by mahaska@kolektiva.social
2023-03-10T23:39:54Z
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@Gargron my hopes are that it doesn't become another corporate take over.Mastodon and XMPP are not controlled by corporations and I pray to the gods that the 2 platforms are stepping it up to keep *them* from taking over.At one time, back when the internet was a true system not controlled by corporate, a Jabber server could connect to all platforms (gtalk, yahoo, aol, Facebook messenger, Twitter) Now?!?!Stop it before it happens, I beg you all.