Post ANwgM6bd9Pv9Aa7n72 by publius@mastodon.sdf.org
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(DIR) Post #ANwgM45eVL9XMp9DzU by ScientistRebellion@social.rebellion.global
2022-09-22T06:02:53Z
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RT @XR_Hamm_Fulham@twitter.comWe all know it! The scientists are screaming it! Emissions from aviation are a significant contributor to the climate crisis. Join those of us calling out the dangerous greenwashing practices of airlines, airports and their advertising agencies #BanFossilAds and #BanFlightAds
(DIR) Post #ANwgM4cGY5EyzyPGpE by franz@pantherx.social
2022-09-22T10:30:47Z
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@ScientistRebellion what exactly is "significant"? 1%? 10%? 50%?
(DIR) Post #ANwgM55Ko0UcS80U8O by ScientistRebellion@social.rebellion.global
2022-09-22T19:06:08Z
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@franz In 2018 it accounted for 2.5% of global CO2 emissions globally alone, which is enough to say "significant" due to it being a single element inside of the broader transportation sector. [Source: Global Carbon Project. (2019). Supplemental data of Global Carbon Budget 2019 (Version 1.0) [Data set]. Global Carbon Project. https://doi.org/10.18160/gcp-2019.]However, the contribution of flying on climate change is very complex, in the sense it may account for even greater impact https://ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions-from-aviation
(DIR) Post #ANwgM5bwqka45HGWy8 by franz@pantherx.social
2022-09-22T20:32:49Z
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@ScientistRebellion so wouldn't it be more helpful to point out alternatives that you consider to be a less "significant contributor", instead of blaming Lufthansa, which just respond to demand?The data you linked to goes back approx. 200+ years. Do you have any other data about how our "climate" changed over the past 500, 5000, or 50,000 years or is this not relevant / applicable?
(DIR) Post #ANwgM67UxRolf81j96 by ScientistRebellion@social.rebellion.global
2022-09-24T10:30:26Z
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@franz First, we do not blame anyone, we point out responsibilities.Secondly, our current economic models do not 'just respond to demand', it is actually based (no plot: just clearly written guidelines) on the creation of demand by consumers in order to offer a surplus of products.Third, as airplanes didn't existed back than a century or so ago, the data pointed here isn't about it.Finally: yes, there is the most comprehensive scientific review on climate change (IPCC) on how it did so.
(DIR) Post #ANwgM6bd9Pv9Aa7n72 by publius@mastodon.sdf.org
2022-09-26T04:48:50Z
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@ScientistRebellion @franz Aviation is the sector of transport most difficult to eliminate fossil fuels from. Moreover, at least in terms of long-distance and especially intercontinental flights, the benefit to mankind per unit of fossil fuels consumed seems to be greater for aviation than for most other modes of transport.It really seems as though this outrage against air transport is manufactured and meretricious, an easy target because it is seen as a luxury of the rich.
(DIR) Post #ANz88HqzilhX25Qj5M by franz@pantherx.social
2022-09-27T09:09:34Z
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@publius @ScientistRebellion I could not have said it better.Aside, it's totally unrealistic that we're going to abolish airlines tomorrow. It's just not going to happen.
(DIR) Post #ANzaYMZhaWiFv8Z2C8 by publius@mastodon.sdf.org
2022-09-27T14:28:03Z
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@franz @ScientistRebellion If we place restrictions on aviation, high-value parcels, businessmen making million-dollar deals, and the idle rich traveling for pleasure will all continue to go by air. What will disappear is tourist class. The small supersonic aircraft now being developed seem to be intended for just this scenario.Too often, "Green" policy proposals exacerbate social inequality more than they improve environmental quality. This is a case in point.