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(DIR) Post #AKpicaz2CVxIrRhN7w by geotechland@fosstodon.org
2022-06-25T02:35:01Z
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I believe women have a right to an abortion. Having a child is a huge investment and Women should have the freedom to decide.Was great to be out in Minneapolis in solidarity.Those that disagree, feel free to @ me or DM me and let's have a conversation.#RoeVsWade #SCOTUS #abortion #roevwade #abortionban
(DIR) Post #AKpjrb5UCDk9TvQvyq by Jonathanjazz123@mastodon.social
2022-06-25T02:48:57Z
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@geotechland I’m not sure I feel about this I just hope that everything ends up OK
(DIR) Post #AKpkbFrBSnQwxNVzEG by verita84@detroitriotcity.com
2022-06-25T02:57:13.362394Z
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@geotechland Baby Murder is not moral
(DIR) Post #AKpkfcKbqTOtopMIa0 by Prodigal@freespeechextremist.com
2022-06-25T02:58:01.697475Z
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@geotechland you are ok to believe that, but every embryo conceived in the usa by a natural american is an american until it dies, and americans have rights, including the right to not be arbitrarily killed because of being inconvenient to someone else
(DIR) Post #AKpluxvxuTO37EiL1E by geotechland@fosstodon.org
2022-06-25T03:11:58Z
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@verita84 I don't think an abortion is equivalent to murder.In the same way killing someone in self defense isn't murder nor do I think the person who defended themselves is a danger to society.Women who get an abortion are not a danger to society.Even though they, and someone protecting themselves in self defense, technically "took" the life of another person.
(DIR) Post #AKpmTYLd1vqHthD6gK by geotechland@fosstodon.org
2022-06-25T03:18:14Z
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@Prodigal Yeah intuitively, it sounds right for us to want to protect the life of a fetus. I get that.But ultimately, i think the freedom of a Woman to make the decision is more important and leads to better outcomes for society.And having an abortion is not the same as murdering someone in cold blood.
(DIR) Post #AKpnk3K9jFYCYWx9ay by Prodigal@freespeechextremist.com
2022-06-25T03:32:26.695548Z
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@geotechland That’s what you are missing.I am not against women having freedom, I am against women thinking their freedom is a right to kill.In an age of of so many contraceptives, women should be asking science to come up with away to remove a fetus and nurture it to term age if they don’t want it, and then asking for the govt to have good foster homes or adoption programs in the event the child is unwanted.I believe in a woman’s right to not want to raise a child, 100%. Example, the husband dies and she thinks it is too much to raise for foreseeable financial reasons, she has the right to put child up for adoption.But to have the child executed because she doesn’t want it? And no one else does?Nah, that’s a hard no for me.She has the right to reject the child and even have it expelled PROVIDED it does not suffer death, e.g. birth by c-section.But the child has rights too.Child protective services should begin at conception.
(DIR) Post #AKpnt65goOJbk7V1Qu by verita84@detroitriotcity.com
2022-06-25T03:34:04.325842Z
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@geotechland Life begins at conception. New DNA is created. A spark happens. This is science. A heartbeat forms at like 5 weeks.It's murder.
(DIR) Post #AKpo2NdExno8kgcR3g by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-06-25T03:35:45.143690Z
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@geotechland just going to point out: you're able to have this discussion only insofar as fosstodon doesn't censor your political opponents. Part of the reason Roe v. Wade was inevitably going to fail was because of the separation between right and left in your country, because the increasing censorship meant that you no longer saw eye to eye writ large fosstodon specifically is a pro-censorship instance, so if you're finding this kind of dialogue useful, you should either tell your mods to drop their restrictions on your speech or drop off into another, more free instance
(DIR) Post #AKprmQIRgkg4CQXTYu by average_random_joe@noagendasocial.com
2022-06-25T04:17:41Z
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@geotechland @verita84 First the SC didn’t ban abortion. That is a lie or gross misrepresentation. If it is life, it is murder. Self defense if there was danger to the life. Self defense is allowed because you don’t need to die to preserve someone else. So arms are a right. But I don’t get to kill someone or something if they threaten my way of life or are a burden. A whole lot of men have ex wives they would like to relieve themselves of.
(DIR) Post #AKps8BLxva2sDzYppw by average_random_joe@noagendasocial.com
2022-06-25T04:21:37Z
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@geotechland @verita84 What the SC did was opened it up so that instead of 350M people trying to decide where that very subjective life live is, 50 states get to decide. It is funny to see my body my choice people come out again though. Killing an innocent child intentionally and avoidably, it is murder and can’t be allowed in society. I would consider a state trying an abortion law. You get one but then get a full hysterectomy.
(DIR) Post #AKpsUyoAjhBhyecoTY by average_random_joe@noagendasocial.com
2022-06-25T04:25:44Z
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@geotechland So to avoid a huge investment or financial burden ending a life is ok? Child payment by the father are huge so does he get to demand an abortion? You don’t get to kill someone because them living makes your life difficult. That kind of society is barbaric. Here’s a thought experiment. What if a state bans abortion but only for white people? Who is oppressed?
(DIR) Post #AKptGXGoQPkOTAhJOy by Alphakilopapa@noagendasocial.com
2022-06-25T04:34:20Z
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@geotechland If women have the right to abort I should have the right to abandon. If I dont use my body, against my choice, to do labor to pay for a child I couldnt afford I will face jail time. Thats bull. Make it illegal until child support and alimony are illegal... we have rights too. Personally I think up until a certain point a woman does have the right. But after its got a heart and blood pumping through its veins it too has rights.
(DIR) Post #AKq2OtQSOXYxuPF1Cy by beardalaxy@gameliberty.club
2022-06-25T06:16:40Z
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@geotechland the freedom for a woman to decide if she wants a child or not starts when she has sex, not when she gets pregnant. same exact thing for the dude. if you're not prepared to have a kid, don't do literally the one act that will cause you to have a kid.
(DIR) Post #AKq2XkRr8rt8fj7O6q by DotardTed@noagendasocial.com
2022-06-25T06:18:17Z
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#news #dNews #Abortion @geotechland @Alphakilopapa @jeffcliff @Prodigal @average_random_joe @verita84 I don't believe in Abortion but I never got into the fight. It was supposed to be limited to the first trimester.Then I heard Gov Northam say we will let the baby be born and wrap it in a blanket, and at that time we will talk to the mother to determine if she wishes to abort. Next, California proposed a two-week post-birth decision period.ENOUGH! Time to return some rights to the baby!
(DIR) Post #AKq2nIKPSYiw5n33L6 by DotardTed@noagendasocial.com
2022-06-25T06:21:05Z
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#news #dNews #Abortion @geotechland @Alphakilopapa @jeffcliff @Prodigal @average_random_joe @verita84 I don't believe in Abortion but I never got into the fight. It was supposed to be limited to the first trimester.Then I heard Gov Northam say we will let the baby be born and wrap it in a blanket, and at that time we will talk to the mother to determine if she wishes to abort. Next, California proposed a two-week post-birth decision period.ENOUGH! Time to return some rights to the baby!
(DIR) Post #AKq45Ssz2rT00FRqEq by Beefki@noagendasocial.com
2022-06-25T06:35:35Z
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@geotechland I feel that men should also have a way out of all their self-caused problems and that expecting any person to have some god damned personal responsibility is asking too much.
(DIR) Post #AKq7HOuNxUOb0MUFCi by wishgranter14@poa.st
2022-06-25T07:11:21.694253Z
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@geotechland @geotechland @verita84 Life begins at conception. That is a biological reality. If someone does not wish for a child then they should abstain from sex. Simple as.
(DIR) Post #AKq7IjEPsp8qKEUOoK by icedquinn@blob.cat
2022-06-25T07:11:32.527057Z
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@DotardTed @geotechland @Alphakilopapa @jeffcliff @Prodigal @average_random_joe @verita84 they burn the baby corpses for fuel
(DIR) Post #AKq7TxtbhZdozX77dw by Koropokkur@poa.st
2022-06-25T07:13:37.969617Z
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@wishgranter14 @geotechland @verita84 LIFE CYCLE eludes them as they scream "Trust the Science"
(DIR) Post #AKq8OGswHsOk6OeNm4 by Christ_is_Lord@poa.st
2022-06-25T07:23:48.426614Z
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@geotechland @verita84 Babies are human too
(DIR) Post #AKqAcjjY1ewVXLHbX6 by TinyFern@poa.st
2022-06-25T07:48:49.870816Z
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@geotechland @geotechland Why should women be able to abort a baby at 8 months but not murder a child of equivalent age which is born a month early? What's the problem with infanticide? Oh, it just looks bad and you feel bad about murdering a baby you can actually see. Every argument about preserving the independence of the mother applies equally to her parenthood after the baby is born, and to men as well. Should a woman be able to euthanise her toddler when she finds its autistic? That's way more work than she signed up for, after all. Should a man be able to decide that his girlfriend needs an abortion? It might affect his future, damage his prospects, inhibit his independence. The 'self-defense isn't murder' argument isn't particularly useful here because everybody agrees that pregnancies which will kill the mother (ectopic, etc) are allowed to access abortion. Women are allowed to act in self-defence to kill an unborn baby which is endangering their life.
(DIR) Post #AKqCGCEY659HAyAB7o by cirnog@poa.st
2022-06-25T08:07:09.805724Z
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@geotechland We should be allowed to abort subhumans like you
(DIR) Post #AKqP0og2hEmLB21HNo by notaleman@fosstodon.org
2022-06-25T10:30:00Z
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@beardalaxy @geotechland Finally an answer, owner of which used at least 2 brain cells to come up with!
(DIR) Post #AKqQJEiaCva8j8KgwC by macxool@fosstodon.org
2022-06-25T10:44:32Z
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@geotechland when it comes to abortion there's really only one question that needs to be considered. What is this in the woman's womb? It's obviously human. It's also obviously alive, since it's made of living cells. And it's a distinct entity from the mother due to its unique DNA.
(DIR) Post #AKqaxt8hDg761ZWw8O by MirceaKitsune@baraag.net
2022-06-25T12:43:49Z
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@DotardTed @geotechland @Alphakilopapa @jeffcliff @Prodigal @average_random_joe @verita84 Okay seriously, if we're talking "abortion" AFTER the child was born, yeah obviously that's murder plain and simple. I for one think there should be a limit of at least 1 - 3 months BEFORE the baby is born, though before that it must absolutely remain a woman's choice.Of course I stopped caring what happens in this now collapsing world. Kill babies, don't, set it all on fire... it's all fucked regardless.
(DIR) Post #AKqfx0zr1J8tsInVGC by wes@swj.io
2022-06-25T13:39:48Z
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There's a lot of dudes in this thread... men should either support and amplify the voices of women, whose rights we're talking about, or mind their own f'n business. It's that simple
(DIR) Post #AKqjYUGZSVufEKAzNA by PorkCow@freespeechextremist.com
2022-06-25T14:20:14.757912Z
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@geotechland I believe in the right to kick your ass. Having pro choicers around is a huge danger, and the innocent should have the freedom to decide your fate.
(DIR) Post #AKt9WP2PInUGMYOUam by geotechland@fosstodon.org
2022-06-26T18:20:35Z
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@PorkCow It's not a danger. Having an abortion is not the same as being a murderer.
(DIR) Post #AKt9YWX6PGsWBglM7k by geotechland@fosstodon.org
2022-06-26T18:20:59Z
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@PorkCow It's not a danger. Having an abortion is not the same as being a murderer.
(DIR) Post #AKtAJKhkCZhz743pbs by macxool@fosstodon.org
2022-06-25T10:44:59Z
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@geotechland So, it's a human life and not a part of the mother's body. This means that the mother and father are dealing with two human lives, not one. Unlike the ’right’ to abortion, the right to life is actually in the US Constitution.
(DIR) Post #AKtAJLF4CgMamPeRY8 by geotechland@fosstodon.org
2022-06-26T18:29:24Z
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@macxool I don't think there is a firm agreement on what is in the womb.It is a philosophical question on when the fetus is "alive".So we draw a line somewhere.Having a baby affects the lives of the woman and man, so they should be able to decide if they can support a child and get an abortion.Overall, allowing abortions, yield better outcomes for society. And outlawing abortion, produced worse outcomes for people.https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/21/health/abortion-restriction-laws/index.html
(DIR) Post #AKtAeEMywxA3XyJYB6 by geotechland@fosstodon.org
2022-06-26T18:33:12Z
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@notaleman @beardalaxy I think it's okay to instill a sense of responsibility in people.But we know that people make mistakes. And that's also okay. It's part of learning. But just because you made a mistake, doesn't mean you should be forced into having a child you don't want or cannot support.Allowing abortions produces the best outcome for everyone while outlawing abortion doesn't prevent them, just makes them more dangerous.
(DIR) Post #AKtBD3egmHAIS6Cg1Q by geotechland@fosstodon.org
2022-06-26T18:39:30Z
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@Beefki We can advocate for personal responsibility, but people make mistakes and that is a part of life.Have you made any mistakes ever?Outlawing abortion doesn't work. It just makes it less safe.Allowing abortions yields the best outcomes for society. Both moral and financially.
(DIR) Post #AKtBWdYzUpwdJysGga by Beefki@noagendasocial.com
2022-06-26T18:43:04Z
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@geotechland Right! I agree! Abortion is absolutely required for women because they make mistakes. Men are also allowed the same benefits yeah? You don't believe that men should be held to different standards than women do you? That'd be horribly sexist.
(DIR) Post #AKtDblgwu1Krt4AfbM by beardalaxy@gameliberty.club
2022-06-26T19:06:24Z
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@geotechland @notaleman I actually would prefer that abortion stay legal, I just don't like people who do it (except for very strenuous circumstances such as rape). I definitely agree that outlawing it just makes it more dangerous, much like drugs and guns.
(DIR) Post #AKtDhUMgEj3bt0PznM by geotechland@fosstodon.org
2022-06-26T19:07:24Z
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@Beefki It's a tough situation, I don't think any decision is easy.But I do agree, men should have some say in this too.One idea is if a man doesn't want to have a child with a woman, he can sign some paperwork stating this, (especially early on in a woman's pregnancy) that helps him opt out of paying child support.So if the women has the child, he is not obligated to pay. What is your idea? Or what can we do to have men have more say in this?
(DIR) Post #AKtEhaICIV4eDzvmK0 by Beefki@noagendasocial.com
2022-06-26T19:18:39Z
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@geotechland it's a simple but unpopular answer: god damned personal responsibility. The only answer that's fair to all participants is for people to prevent pregnancy if they are ill prepared for parenting. We know what causes pregnancy, and we have multiple ways of preventing it while still having sex.
(DIR) Post #AKtGriC1yhMZX30HGC by geotechland@fosstodon.org
2022-06-26T19:42:53Z
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@Beefki That's a cop out answer lol.How would you give men more of a say if there was an unwanted pregnancy?Do you think we as society, should take more action to prevent unwanted pregnancies? If so, how?If we invested resources for certain programs, would society as a whole get some sort of return on our investment?
(DIR) Post #AKtIS4LRCCDEc6ItXM by Beefki@noagendasocial.com
2022-06-26T20:00:40Z
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@geotechland I disagree on it being a cop out answer, it's the only answer currently available.The only fair thing people can do is proactively work toward their own benefit.
(DIR) Post #AKtJ968aPFDAcqoIuu by notaleman@fosstodon.org
2022-06-26T20:08:25Z
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@geotechland @beardalaxy People should be taught into owning what they do! And instead of wanting to keep convenience abortion legal then have them protest about programs who support parents who happened to be part of such situation or even better have them protest about getting sexual education to mases!
(DIR) Post #AKtSxVtdoB0ca9w0kS by useless_idiot@noagendasocial.com
2022-06-26T21:58:24Z
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@DotardTed @geotechland @Alphakilopapa @jeffcliff @Prodigal @average_random_joe @verita84 It's a return to pre-Christian times.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide
(DIR) Post #AKteMaMRRforAEZ0sa by macxool@fosstodon.org
2022-06-27T00:06:10Z
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@geotechland Any biology textbook will tell you differently. The confusion about the start of life is a very recent thing and is the only thing philosophical about this. I don't think CNN is much of a reputable authority on 'outcomes', but that question is beside the point anyway. This is a distinct human being and he or she is being killed.
(DIR) Post #AKu8GIOkJb3cLBYgkq by Melon@varishangout.net
2022-06-27T03:40:12.067016Z
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@geotechland @notaleman @beardalaxy Women aren't forced to have a child by carrying it to term, they have the option to leave it with the government without anyone knowing. This "mistake" shouldn't be at the cost of a fully viable human. Even if it was a mistake do you think women should suffer any kind of repercussions for it? If not then is it really a "mistake"?