Post A3ZOPVC0p7Sw5nb6XY by 0@mamot.fr
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(DIR) Post #A3ZFzehW3CtIQ2Uu92 by MutoShack@functional.cafe
2021-01-24T15:48:55Z
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Can someone who prefers #Matrix over #XMPP please explain to me why you prefer Matrix?
(DIR) Post #A3ZGeco3zzLsPt5zzU by stunder@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-01-24T16:20:50Z
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@MutoShack I have often wondered this. Maybe it's a timing thing, XMMP has been around for longer and probably came out without the fan fair seen by Matrix.
(DIR) Post #A3ZGgrzCX3qu4gNM9I by stunder@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-01-24T16:21:14Z
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@MutoShack I have often wondered this. Maybe it's a timing thing, XMPP has been around for longer and probably came out without the fan fair seen by Matrix.
(DIR) Post #A3ZOPVC0p7Sw5nb6XY by 0@mamot.fr
2021-01-24T17:47:37Z
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@stunderI might well be talking out of my arse, as usual, but as I understand, there is basically:* One mainstream / reference #matrix client* Likewise, one reference server implementation* One mainstream server instance that everyone federates withAs a result, it *looks* much like the silos that the last generation of users have grown up with, so more familiar than the #email-like #XMPP approach and ecosystem.NB: casual outside observer, never used Matrix.@MutoShack
(DIR) Post #A3ZOlxEHGUNbPvMZKS by stunder@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-01-24T17:51:48Z
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@0 @MutoShack you have a very smart arse
(DIR) Post #A3ZQscrNb088B6xgTg by nesc@mastodon.social
2021-01-24T18:01:24Z
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@0 Maybe we've seen different #xmpp ecosystem but there was nothing like email there it was impossible to chat with Bob@server1 if you were Joe@server2. Not technical problem probably, just no one actually did it.@stunder @MutoShack@functional.cafe
(DIR) Post #A3ZQsdKnpbfLeMjBL6 by stunder@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-01-24T18:15:23Z
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@nesc @0 are you sure I can remember sending messages from Google to AOL chat using XMPP years ago.
(DIR) Post #A3ZR4XX3ELyD848NtI by nesc@mastodon.social
2021-01-24T18:17:32Z
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@stunder Pretty sure, yeah there were icq-jabber gateways but federation between different servers definetely was opt-in.@0
(DIR) Post #A3ZRYF1saVWIQniV2O by 0@mamot.fr
2021-01-24T18:22:53Z
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@stunderIt didn't take long for the silly valley VCs to decide they'd be better off silo-ing people though!There are noises in #Brussels about forcing big tech to #federate so we may end up going full circle once again on this.And the situation is not entirely unlike the grip #Microsoft had on personal computers back in the #90s. They did their best to resist the popularity of the internet, like not shipping a #TCP/#IP stack for years and later forcing a really crappy browser.@nesc
(DIR) Post #A3ZScpy5IArc6ihGs4 by 0@mamot.fr
2021-01-24T18:28:44Z
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@nesc> federation between different servers definetely was opt-in.Still is. I ran corporate internal #XMPP systems that you didn't *want* federating with the internet at large. Either non-federated or whitelisted hosts only. Those were not consumer systems though.And the same applies to #Mastodon (I liberally block entire instances), #Usenet (#killfile) and #email (#Spamhaus & al.) Federation does not mean free for all.@stunder
(DIR) Post #A3ZSlguAMGw4bY5OU4 by stunder@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-01-24T18:36:34Z
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@0 @nesc that was what I remember too. It is for sure an opt-in type protocol. I started doing a little bit of work with XMPP on a VoIP project I was working on last year, but didn't go deep down the rabbit hole again.
(DIR) Post #A3ZWOyjqHsDd4QgNdY by nesc@mastodon.social
2021-01-24T18:35:31Z
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@0 Yeah spamhaus and cronies are the worst thing that hapenned to emails after gmail.I do understand value of blacklisting just at the time I've seen it there was not a lot of federation. Still problem of basic chat features being suggestions and not mandatory made things worse.@stunder
(DIR) Post #A3ZWOz9ijev2Mgn2yO by 0@mamot.fr
2021-01-24T19:10:33Z
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@nesc> Still problem of basic chat features being suggestions and not mandatory made things worse.Yeah, it's like sending attachments via email. Having to run them through #uuencode is a pain in the arse, and God knows how good your recipient's #MIME support is going to be, if any at all.(If we're in the subject of recycling complaints from twenty years ago, count me in. 😁)@stunder
(DIR) Post #A3ZXXQ1unmTDz5iybA by nesc@mastodon.social
2021-01-24T19:22:24Z
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@0 Wanted to say that I haven't seen anything related to xmpp in ten years. Then remembered there was this time with me being administrator of openfire installtion of 500 users for a few months.@stunder
(DIR) Post #A3ZXXQMpY1CV1xVgCO by stunder@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-01-24T19:30:00Z
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@nesc @0 from what I can tell it's very alive in the VoIP world. I have some friends that work with it daily.
(DIR) Post #A3ZaaqBYJSG5pqYV60 by 0@mamot.fr
2021-01-24T19:53:46Z
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@nescSo how's #OpenFire compare to #ejabberd? I only have experience with the latter (I'm very pleased with it, despite not being an #Erlang programmer).@stunder
(DIR) Post #A3ZaaqYwuSyR0PVBZ2 by stunder@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-01-24T20:04:14Z
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@0 @nesc I'm so far out of the game at this point I wouldnt be able to tell you. Besides trying my hardest on focusing on sailing around the world I haven't been focused on chat services.
(DIR) Post #A3b3F8ffzg06csbr96 by nesc@mastodon.social
2021-01-25T12:59:58Z
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@stunder You are a sailor? Whoa.@0