Post 9zeod6q913mB3xeYF6 by juristi@fedi.absturztau.be
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(DIR) Post #9zbyI6wRZ41BXg7s6i by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-09-28T08:10:20Z
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I've found another reason, besides the global recession, why I feel discouraged to find a new 'career.'I've noticed this trend of people becoming their work. Where every part of your life, your online and offline identity revolves around your job. You no longer just work - you're 'living a passion', and 'growing a brand'. It feels like the human being behind the job disappears. As if, in order to be successful, you need to commodify every aspect of your life.Idk is this relatable in any way?
(DIR) Post #9zbyQZeAisLet2cC12 by pronounshe@lgbt.io
2020-09-28T08:11:53Z
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@Gina Completely.
(DIR) Post #9zbyWTwErOGqv3smzQ by moiety@queer.garden
2020-09-28T08:13:02Z
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@Gina it is. This is one of the reasons I chose to work 32 hours/week instead of 40 :)
(DIR) Post #9zbyjAa88fCweOakIC by danslerush@fosstodon.org
2020-09-28T08:15:17Z
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@Gina This is absolutely true. Everyone thinks of himself as a product, a brand to sell. And everything goes into it to restore the brand's image, even the kids (for exemple) are used as an extension of their "success".
(DIR) Post #9zbyyiTkOOtU7l1GBE by celia@fosstodon.org
2020-09-28T08:17:49Z
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@Gina I totally get that!* passionate* motivation to join goes beyond compensation offered* ownershipetc. are a mainstay in virtually all job listings.All those things *can* be good, but to me they read like PR for "we work 60h/work and would frown if you wanted Saturday off. Or a mental health day. Or going to bed by 10pm."
(DIR) Post #9zbz1FuR4OWqNziI4m by brettgilio@mstdn.social
2020-09-28T08:18:36Z
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@Gina Late stage capitalism, amirite.
(DIR) Post #9zbz6jn5OmfiVetDpA by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-09-28T08:19:30Z
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@danslerush it's so tiring. I don't think I'm invested enough in anything to create an entire digital identity around it.
(DIR) Post #9zbzFadUnyCsitcob2 by Steinar@snabelen.no
2020-09-28T08:20:02Z
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@Gina Way too much so. I rarely am "passionate" about my work, I try to be professional instead. Work/life balance and keeping proper distance between my personal identity and my professional identity is my choice instead.Companies want employees to be passionate about something which from the company's side is a pure business relationship. I can be friends with my co-workers, but the company employing me is a business relationship from my side as well. Anything else is self-destructive.
(DIR) Post #9zbzVT6wYCRC1AyE6q by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-09-28T08:23:53Z
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@danslerush it's so tiring. I don't think I'm invested enough in anything to create an entire identity around it.
(DIR) Post #9zbzX08fEvGGk1VRTs by humanetech@mastodon.social
2020-09-28T08:24:12Z
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@Gina 100% relatable.All these job postings with "Are you this super champion that joins our highly motivated team of experts?". The whole description screams: "Let's work your ass off with us. Burn your life while you have it".Job asked: Junior Java developer, or somethingPff.. all platitudes created by these recruiters. Highly discouraging too.There are also more weighed, decent and humane vacancy descriptions. But beware: It is a recruiter trend to craft these, to lure you in.
(DIR) Post #9zbzZPLwStPpWLreMa by rob@kroo.network
2020-09-28T08:24:47Z
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@Gina that's how I felt. So I have decided to just do what a like and believe in. I think Artificial General Intelligence will saves the world or our kind. So I'm doing ML and pursuing my study in Computer Science during these time. I also like E8 Lattice as that give you a theory of everything using topology at the plank scale. That's cool and I like to talk about it! 😄
(DIR) Post #9zbzkLnUJus3V5Bblo by danslerush@fosstodon.org
2020-09-28T08:26:44Z
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@Gina And you should not, ideally we should work on commons, bricks of things usable by all where everyone participates and keeps time for us ... the project should make sense not the ego, individualism makes sell (ourself) and separates, social networks have a large part in this. Capitalism of attention and free time 😑
(DIR) Post #9zbzoSzhVJ9kynrSi0 by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-09-28T08:27:26Z
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@humanetech This!! “Do you like complex challenges? Do you live, eat and breathe .NET?”Nah mate, I don't. And I pity anyone who does.
(DIR) Post #9zbzqZJMzI8L9S40Po by brettgilio@mstdn.social
2020-09-28T08:27:28Z
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@Gina @danslerush This is my gripe with on-boarding in large companies. It is as though they are trying to sell you on their spirit/ideology. You are not hired to perform labor, you must now encapsulate a brand identity, be part of the "family", join the "team". It is so condescending, and cult-like.
(DIR) Post #9zbzrqqPHoV5on80NU by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-09-28T08:27:49Z
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@rob I'm glad you've found your niche :)
(DIR) Post #9zbzsqJElEo6Rs5OHg by tapaniraja@mastodon.social
2020-09-28T08:27:49Z
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@Gina I felt strongly like this when running my business. Everything was about work. I couldn't even really be online without running into work things. Burned out.Then I just stopped and got a "normal job". I'm 10x happier. When I get off from work, I get off work. I don't open work things on my phone.
(DIR) Post #9zbzuV3WkeRR6yWnb6 by humanetech@mastodon.social
2020-09-28T08:28:24Z
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@Gina indeed 😂
(DIR) Post #9zc01PfbAtCmQzdFMO by floppy@fosstodon.org
2020-09-28T08:29:47Z
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@Gina Yes. Recently I saw an article expressing similar sentiment. (I'll see if I can find it again.)Personally I had something similar years ago after finishing a contract at one work place. Apart from the usual options I was in a good condition to become my own boss.If it wasn't the heavy time investment ("becoming work"), freelancing would work best for me. However, I have many interests and I hate limiting myself to one, even if I would enjoy it. There is more to a human being than work.
(DIR) Post #9zc0JSNBraN21wcqWW by y6nH@im-in.space
2020-09-28T08:33:05Z
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@Gina Totally. Some people love their jobs – OK, good for them. Most of us go to work because we need the money.This kind of culture is really insulting to people who don't do paid work. Full-time parents, carers, and the like, as well as people who can't work for health reasons.
(DIR) Post #9zc0OC262kBenf19Si by thor@pl.thj.no
2020-09-28T08:34:03.672687Z
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@humanetech @Gina i can't browse job sites anymore because i get so angry at the ads
(DIR) Post #9zc0q6Q0VjFVUnVfuq by rob@kroo.network
2020-09-28T08:38:59Z
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@Gina I got inspired by that speech when I was really low in life. (homeless in america) "Your work is going to fill a large part of your life, and the only way to be truly satisfied is to do what you believe is great work. And the only way to do great work is to love what you do. If you haven't found it yet, keep looking. Don't settle. As with all matters of the heart, you'll know when you find it." - https://youtu.be/UF8uR6Z6KLc also like JFK and Musk.
(DIR) Post #9zc0w7d0vSHcz9SpTU by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-09-28T08:40:01Z
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@thor @humanetech haha same.
(DIR) Post #9zc1z8z2RY3C0llpwm by mike@fosstodon.org
2020-09-28T08:50:52Z
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@Gina Heh, there's actually a "thing" at my company called "Enterprise First", and that's what I think every time someone says it. Place the needs of the company above all else. That's not what they mean when they say it, but it's how it comes across to me, and the way the company behaves doesn't discourage my interpretation.
(DIR) Post #9zc2Av3Y3BPYI9UkKG by rob@kroo.network
2020-09-28T08:53:49Z
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@mike @Gina let me guess, "company's culture". 😋 That's BS.
(DIR) Post #9zc2KztCw3VIB4SoTo by danslerush@fosstodon.org
2020-09-28T08:55:34Z
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@mike This cross my mind at reading you ... https://youtu.be/7xNnRBksvOU @Gina
(DIR) Post #9zc355ZAA5dx6X4A1g by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-09-28T09:03:41Z
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@mike which is understandable, right? The company is there for the company. You play along with the BS until you go home.But then you get home and you're constantly bombarded by hustle culture. You feel like you should be more productive in your free time, your hobbies should aim to 'build your brand' or to create side income. Others are doing it too. It seems necessary. Do you not have a YT channel? Are you even an expert in your field?Now you are the company and its needs come first.
(DIR) Post #9zc4Aze1Bv2GQjiU5Y by kev@fosstodon.org
2020-09-28T09:14:48Z
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@Gina I think a lot of this is down to finding the right employer. Maybe cultural too, I dunno.The company I work for certainly expect their pound of flesh, but in return they really do take work:life balance seriously (at least I think they do).There are days when I have to work late, that's a given working in Cyber Incident Response. But when we're "BAU" if someone puts an invite in my calendar in the evening, I'm empowered to decline citing work:life balance. @mike 1/?
(DIR) Post #9zc4G0YREeMYhUUv4K by kev@fosstodon.org
2020-09-28T09:16:46Z
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@Gina when it comes to "building a brand" we're also encouraged to do this internally, but that's more about career progression etc. The company I work for are just as happy to have good people stay in the same role, if they wish - not everyone has aspirations. Some people just wanna go to work, do a good job, and go home/switch off. And that's fine too.@mike <end>
(DIR) Post #9zc4MRHYm6wNKgfZei by raboof@quey.org
2020-09-28T09:18:20Z
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@Gina Yeah. It's a weird balance though: I also wouldn't want to work at a place with people who don't give a ****.What's also weird that it's not only companies that do this - "So, what do you do?" is such a common ice-breaker at parties etc (remember those? 😄 )... I agree it seems healthy to get away from that!
(DIR) Post #9zc5Ww4BH65ZeryrMe by egret@hackers.town
2020-09-28T09:31:27Z
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@Gina In my honest opinion that is just toxic American work culture seeping into out cozy Euro-socialist '8 hours and I'm done&out' life. One has to learn to identify some such virtue signaling for what it is: a mental disorder spawn by the idea of the 'American Dream' where if you work hard you will succeed. That said, this might not be the best time to try our hands at a career in art therapy or ceramics. Are you working remote anytime soon from Boa Boa or Greece or some sunny place, or the plague absolutely rekt those plans? [sent from my android while biking in the Dutch rain]
(DIR) Post #9zc667YkXHS9RG3ZJI by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-09-28T09:37:53Z
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@egret I think that's probably true. Also no, I'm still here in the swamp lands. [sent from my android while staring at grey, gloomy, rainy weather]
(DIR) Post #9zc6f5jLKQ79tvgdoe by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-09-28T09:44:11Z
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@egret I think that's probably true. Also no, I'm still here in the swamp lands. [sent from my android while staring at grey, gloomy, rainy weather]Edit: ugh it's the type of rain that you barely see and yet somehow you're completely soaked.
(DIR) Post #9zc83OMJoqASa54JKi by mxmehl@mastodon.social
2020-09-28T09:59:49Z
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@Gina Working in the non-profit area, I do not really feel that. Sure, you usually are also personally interested in the topic you work for, but I don't feel that my work is my life, and I would guess the same for my colleagues. And that's a good thing, because during my work time, I can focus on this, and in my private time I can relax and do completely different things.If an employer would demand me to "live my work", I'd quit. But there are still enough viable options around I think.
(DIR) Post #9zc8qBx6jdzuIAXu9Q by egret@hackers.town
2020-09-28T10:08:38Z
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@Gina Motregen.
(DIR) Post #9zc97VUtJxZxpfbXHM by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-09-28T10:11:43Z
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@egret Ja. Bah.
(DIR) Post #9zcA1xC7WwCdwzjxwW by nvsr@best-friends.chat
2020-09-28T10:21:57Z
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@Gina recently started working for the government. So far it's a good experience, with people ready to facilitate whatever I need, and no extra expectations except for the needed soft and hard skills. It depends on where you work of course, but right now I can highly recommend it.
(DIR) Post #9zcBak82CVcjW6ywDo by felix@troet.cafe
2020-09-28T10:39:22Z
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@Gina On the one hand yes, otoh I guess this was even more so a couple of decades ago.To me it sounds as if anxiety and self-worth issues are common among developers (at least the US based podcasts I listen to give me that image). And I wonder if that has to do with the feeling of oneself being a "product" (in the capitalist sense). But the same people also do not question what the employer actually contributes to overall humankind. It seems all so absent of "true" values.
(DIR) Post #9zcBjsDxTGfZEO6f2G by basil@sarcasm.stream
2020-09-28T10:41:03Z
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@Gina Indeed, the flip side of: do what you love and you'll never work a day.Can, *for some*, become: do what you love and it will consume you. Both ruining any love for it you once had and depriving you of a healthy balanced lifestyle.
(DIR) Post #9zcBrgoBnXEe8umQhk by JonYoder@mastodon.technology
2020-09-28T10:42:28Z
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@Gina Completely. American culture is often "What's your name? Where are you from? What do you do?" as a quick way of pigeonholing you, but it also provides some safe topics for introductions and idle chitchat. Too bad that idea that you are what you do underlies it. :(
(DIR) Post #9zcClGoLduunjJMDNQ by v4ngu4rd@fosstodon.org
2020-09-28T10:52:36Z
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@Gina maybe this trend will only grow bigger, now it's still an embryo, we will be chosen less for the value of what we can produce and more for the value we can offer as *working individuals*. The difference lie between the value of the result to obtain and the complete set of skills and experience you can offer.I think, if it's a personal choice, it's the better possibile situation, the actualization of the motto "find something you like and you'll never work a day in your life".
(DIR) Post #9zcEMYHvj4lsbRXFVw by dnegreira@mastodon.otherreality.net
2020-09-28T11:10:27Z
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@GinaKind of yeah. What I've learned is that at the end of the day you do what you want on your own time, regardless of company culture.
(DIR) Post #9zcG1PvnnklcVmEdVo by dcht00@social.coop
2020-09-28T11:29:03Z
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@Gina Of course - this is Marx's alienation in late capitalism. Chin up and keep struggling → https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx%27s_theory_of_alienation
(DIR) Post #9zcGDAiuAcbqoso87U by draco@sonomu.club
2020-09-28T11:31:08Z
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@Gina so much.
(DIR) Post #9zcGLLROCsqiNNVnhw by neildarlow@fosstodon.org
2020-09-28T11:32:31Z
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@Gina It's certainly something to be avoided.In a salaried job you should keep a separate work/life balance.
(DIR) Post #9zcGT3O3DMCKhRcsro by dajbelshaw@fosstodon.org
2020-09-28T11:33:43Z
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@Gina Definitely. It's an idea/expectation that's more dangerous to human flourishing than the pandemic
(DIR) Post #9zcHl06kFEiXhEeYb2 by Calavera_Jo@mastodon.social
2020-09-28T11:48:33Z
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@Gina there was an optional training on how to optimize your time at work at my job a couple of weeks ago. It got me sort of mad and I ended up not attending.
(DIR) Post #9zcIFBKb54VtC0WXRo by berkes@bitcoinhackers.org
2020-09-28T11:53:58Z
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@Gina It is relatable. And something I have learned to manage. Most of the time.One of the first signs in IT/programming is when people start taking critique on a codebase, framework of language personal. As if "this class is ugly" is a personal attack. Or "Rails is bad in X", PHP sucks at Y, means that you have failed when you use Rails or program in PHP.I see this with colleagues, and it often is a first sign that such a colleague is getting far too intertwined with work.
(DIR) Post #9zcIKWnQhZFdDHYjqK by Calavera_Jo@mastodon.social
2020-09-28T11:53:52Z
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@Gina I work in games and I remember them asking us to put in more hours when we were close to shipping. I remember many bad decisions and feature creep. And then, they have the audacity to make it sound like we need help to manage our time?
(DIR) Post #9zcIKX0ttU1ht3rUq8 by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-09-28T11:54:54Z
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@Calavera_Jo so insulting.
(DIR) Post #9zcddx3TOWGhC1AOJ6 by bkersh@fosstodon.org
2020-09-28T15:53:31Z
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@Gina It also doesn't help that our work is becoming the room down the hall due to the pandemic. Since all these lockdowns, WFH is a blessing and a curse. Makes it too easy to jump into work mode at any time. I like my job, mind you, but you still need to maintain balance.
(DIR) Post #9zceqVuni9EkjrfF7g by mike@fosstodon.org
2020-09-28T16:06:14Z
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@kev My company doesn't have "work/life balance". Literally, I used that phrase in a meeting with my boss once, and he "corrected" me. My company prefers "work/life integration" according to him (and others I've heard this from since). Though, in fairness, since COVID when they got everything their little hearts desired when it came to integrating work/life time, they've noticed massive burnout and they seem to be changing their position on the matter, at least a little.@Gina
(DIR) Post #9zcf8F8ynyaLw5kaIq by kelbot@fosstodon.org
2020-09-28T16:10:09Z
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@mike @kev @Gina That would have been my cue to flip the bird and walk out the door :D.
(DIR) Post #9zchqnp9QTWe91qorI by ajmartinez@social.librem.one
2020-09-28T16:40:55Z
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@Gina oh totally relatable. Years ago that very thing, becoming the job, drove a wedge between myself and several friends. In some cases away from entire communities because everyone was constantly trying to sell me on their life/job as what I needed for my own life/job.
(DIR) Post #9zcp4BQlfRSInrm0qu by paladin@fosstodon.org
2020-09-28T18:01:44Z
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@Gina It all depends on what you really want. Other people becoming work shouldn't be your reason. You should have a good enough reason yourself. Ask yourself how you want to develop, how you want your private life to develop, what makes you really vital. Do you really need to change your job or something else should be changed in your life. Global recession can be a psychological trigger for change, it could make you change for worse, but coud be opportunity as well. What do you really want?
(DIR) Post #9zcpphrusjdL1B8IAy by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-09-28T18:10:19Z
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@paladin what I really want is a house with a garden somewhere abroad where it's warmer and greener than here in the swamp lands. In a small town or remote, close to mountains and beaches, or a forest. With high speed internet, but low speed life. Start small, ultimately start a retreat for stressed people.Got any suggestions for locations?
(DIR) Post #9zcqZySbWh5znUM5XU by mike@fosstodon.org
2020-09-28T18:17:56Z
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@Gina I don't really feel that pressure I guess. I'm old. About the only "side hustle" I have is Fosstodon. I already work too many hours in the day, and I have a family. Should I have a YouTube channel? Don't care. I'm not going to. Am I an expert in my field? Probably not. You tell me what you want to do, I can probably make it go, but I'm not going to do it in an interview. If that's what they want, they can always hire someone younger with a YouTube channel and too much time on their hands.
(DIR) Post #9zcqfVz4JVrvDVBMGG by cy@fedicy.allowed.org
2020-09-28T18:19:50.782917Z
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@Gina Any time I hear people saying they want to make money doing what they love I always tell them no, money is terrible! Make money if you have to, and try to do what you love, but don’t hinge your success of the latter, on the former!But unfortunately the money makers have got us without friends, support networks, communities, or welfare, so they are able to make us spend most of our lives working for money. Most of us have nothing other than money to rely on. In that case, I have to admit, you should fit in what you love anywhere you can, even if you have to pretend that it makes you a better employee.
(DIR) Post #9zcsMEdcmTk5pG5Pn6 by paladin@fosstodon.org
2020-09-28T18:38:41Z
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@Gina Istra, Croatia or New Zealand. I lived in Dordrech... one year was enough.
(DIR) Post #9zcuq9oZTjmZShbPFo by tarknassus@fosstodon.org
2020-09-28T19:06:06Z
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@mike @kev @Gina I quit the development biz after a couple of awful employers who on the one hand would “value the work/life balance and make sure we had a good separation of both” and then turn around expecting nights and weekends to be worked. Sometimes it was necessary, a crunch to deadline. But almost all the time? I got out and felt so much better just enjoying development on my own terms for my own projects. However I do run my business from home now and will stick to having “time off”
(DIR) Post #9zcyDq52nlKd4NI7ma by benzim@fosstodon.org
2020-09-28T19:44:10Z
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@Gina @celia I wholeheartedly agree with that.
(DIR) Post #9zcyHszNvewdFVZeJE by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-09-28T19:44:56Z
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I should probably delete my Instagram account.
(DIR) Post #9zcyX3g6TBeAkCn2Om by spongechameleon@fosstodon.org
2020-09-28T19:47:46Z
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@Gina if you do make sure to download all your data first! They’ll send you an email with all of your photos as well as json of your friends list and stuff. Good luck!
(DIR) Post #9zcyiiFVy2yLl6uVpg by sexybiggetje@mastodon.social
2020-09-28T19:49:56Z
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@GinaDid mine together with Facebook last week, only waiting response from apple on my apple id. I wasn't allowed to do that in the self service portal
(DIR) Post #9zcz6p5cBeM9vKmDSa by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-09-28T19:54:16Z
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@spongechameleon eh I have a private account with no pics or followers, that I use to follow a few webcomics.
(DIR) Post #9zczDiu3aPQAlQf1rk by carsten@tootsfrom.ahabitual.dev
2020-09-28T19:55:31Z
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@Gina @paladin Sounds like a great place. I know this sounds cynic, but nowerdays you'll have to watch for these places next to the horde of unicorns, that live close to it.My idea of living is small cottage or something like that outside the suburbia. The issue with this plan is: I have no money for that, thus this must be a retirement plan. Unfortunately, I'll be too old to enjoy it those days.
(DIR) Post #9zczRiXNk729gSjB20 by carsten@tootsfrom.ahabitual.dev
2020-09-28T19:57:54Z
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@Gina @spongechameleon That's what bibliogram.art was invented for.
(DIR) Post #9zd01X9lXAp2oNlB4a by 0hlov3@mstdn.social
2020-09-28T20:04:33Z
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@Gina do it, I did it a month ago and I don’t miss insta :-D
(DIR) Post #9zd05sF357spMfIh9c by panais@diaspodon.fr
2020-09-28T20:05:21Z
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@Gina Yes, it is, it is.Hence my going away from mainstream platforms, I keep a professional account here on Masto to share and read professional watch (not this account, another one), I have this one to goof around, and I keep a good old website just for when I want to try things before advising people to do it on live websites.And that's all.In French there's a saying: To live happy, you have to live in secrecy.The best of all of it? I'm still having fun after 25 years online..
(DIR) Post #9zd0Fb4blgp90u3N68 by paulopinto@fosstodon.org
2020-09-28T20:07:01Z
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@Gina I deleted mine a long time ago
(DIR) Post #9zd0txHCdXXjSVBl5s by GoatsLive@mastodon.social
2020-09-28T20:14:24Z
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@Gina Yes, and Facebook if you still have it!
(DIR) Post #9zd1I9ii1Uor0BauDg by mike@fosstodon.org
2020-09-28T20:17:06Z
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@tarknassus I understand the "deadline crunch" bit, but we seem to have a deadline crunch every week at 4:30PM on Friday. Or Saturday. And that's ignoring the fact that I work in IT, and we have to schedule updates and releases during off hours too. Management will tell you to take comparable time off at other times, but still pack your schedule to the point where that's just possible.@kev @Gina
(DIR) Post #9zd1QUuH8UGP1lywWe by mike@fosstodon.org
2020-09-28T20:19:23Z
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@Gina I did. @PixelFed meetings my photo sharing needs, and there's none of that weird spying stuff from Faceplace. I never feel the need to scroll and scroll and scroll and scroll. In short, it does what it's for, and nothing else.
(DIR) Post #9zd1zSRsGbjVXVMsFc by parasurv@mstdn.io
2020-09-28T20:26:31Z
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@Gina 👍 You can always use bibliogram to follow others, some instances let you use RSS too.
(DIR) Post #9zd2v0g5fx9ECpSblw by athairbirb@mastodon.scot
2020-09-28T20:36:58Z
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@Gina totally repayable! Partner and I are having to monetise hobbies, thus removing the hobby aspect ☹️ it's no longer for us it's for customers
(DIR) Post #9zd3E92mnM0DefCTo0 by athairbirb@mastodon.scot
2020-09-28T20:40:26Z
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@Gina totally relatable! Partner and I are having to monetise hobbies, thus removing the hobby aspect ☹️ it's no longer for us it's for customers
(DIR) Post #9zd3IplTty4FJGLGjY by criadoperez@fosstodon.org
2020-09-28T20:40:42Z
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@Gina Everybody should. Pixelfed instead!
(DIR) Post #9zd4tHgveHJeIl9p5M by dallin@social.librem.one
2020-09-28T20:59:00Z
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@Gina Good idea. You reminded me I should delete mine, too.https://help.instagram.com/139886812848894
(DIR) Post #9zdBNCD5BysLiJqLgm by wonderingdane@fosstodon.org
2020-09-28T22:11:34Z
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@mike @kev @Gina I am so grateful I work in the public sector!
(DIR) Post #9zdLgEgPDlqGQYHD1s by tychi@fosstodon.org
2020-09-29T00:07:13Z
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@Gina hi, it me
(DIR) Post #9zdXHMweZ53kGImkRU by wholesomedonut@fosstodon.org
2020-09-29T00:20:39Z
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@wonderingdane @mike @kev @Gina this is actually why I’ve decided to keep development as a hobby and work in another field for the time being. Because I saw this same kind of culture show up even as a CSR or inside sales, the devs had it even worse.I am a wholesome donut but I’m not a shill. I’m not here for the company. I’m here for my paycheck.Im glad at my new job we have to report Hours of Service and you literally don’t GET to work if you are over that threshold in the given timespan.
(DIR) Post #9zdXHNEjTrWNANFBce by normandc@fosstodon.org
2020-09-29T01:39:04Z
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@wholesomedonutYou people in the IT business really have it hard. 🙁I don't work in that field. I used to work a lot of hours in another company and it near destroyed my physical and mental health.Now I work for a small business where the owners tell employees not to overwork themselves. They actually believe in work/life balance, for their employees and for themselves. I feel fortunate, but at the same time believe it should be a given for everyone.@wonderingdane @mike @kev @Gina
(DIR) Post #9zdXHNWoOdz04Rhcno by mike@fosstodon.org
2020-09-29T02:16:37Z
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@normandc I would love to get into another field, but honestly I have no other skills. I especially don't have any other skill that could match my current income. With more mouths to feed than my own, that income needs to be stable. If you don't mind me asking, what kind of work do you do?@wholesomedonut @wonderingdane @kev @Gina
(DIR) Post #9zdepsCbYa2QjIe8XY by ajmartinez@social.librem.one
2020-09-29T03:41:46Z
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@Gina nuked mine before I moved back to Delft. Have not missed it. Fiancée requested I reactivate my FB after it untagged me in all her photos, but I don’t ever actually login to the account and deleted the apps. The only hold out is WhatsApp because I can’t seem to get people to use Matrix or Signal.
(DIR) Post #9zdfFcSOigzDQSJHjk by xosem@toot.site
2020-09-29T03:46:27Z
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@Gina
(DIR) Post #9zdkMSNf57JpyLAscq by Logical_Error@fosstodon.org
2020-09-29T04:43:45Z
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@Gina I’m guessing this isn’t advice I should be seeking? https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/iucp54/a_rcscareerquestions_college_survival_guide/Tl;dr work your butt off and you’ll have a chance of getting something. (tldr might be in a negative light :P)
(DIR) Post #9zdplL57r6VGLTBkrQ by albi@fosstodon.org
2020-09-29T05:44:09Z
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@mike @kev @Gina That sounds to me as if they allow you to deal with personal stuff during work hours. :ac_smirk: You can always say you're just practicing work/life integration.
(DIR) Post #9zdv3YoQ2mklufsl6m by tarknassus@fosstodon.org
2020-09-29T06:43:31Z
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@mike @kev @Gina A feeling I knew only too well. "Take a break" after launching a site for a client - "and make a start on this next one, it's already behind schedule."
(DIR) Post #9ze3ZDYHQLWYsKwJQu by iooioio@fosstodon.org
2020-09-29T08:18:59Z
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@Gina Why spend time/energy thinking about what others are doing and what their expectations are. If you find/create a job that works for you (as in activities, pay, conditions) then the rest doesn't matter. So what if your colleague or your boss thinks you should be "passionate" about your job. If that's not your thing: just don't do it.
(DIR) Post #9zeRegb1GP2nInMSbw by normandc@fosstodon.org
2020-09-29T12:48:43Z
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@mikeI too would not know what to do else. I'm an industrial (product) designer. I've worked in the manufacturing industry my whole career. 20 years ago I had a stint at a management job which I hated (my immediate supervisor left, I was convinced to take his job and I stayed in it 4 years out of loyalty - and pride, I guess). It was then that I realized that for me, money wasn't everything. Of course I didn't have other mouths to feed.@wholesomedonut @wonderingdane @kev @Gina
(DIR) Post #9zeSo9vnfJUOqOA7g8 by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-09-29T13:01:33Z
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@normandc @mike @wholesomedonut @wonderingdane @kev meanwhile, I'm not even particularly good at IT and I have no other skills.
(DIR) Post #9zeod6q913mB3xeYF6 by juristi@fedi.absturztau.be
2020-09-29T16:36:51.888511Z
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@Gina @normandc @mike @wholesomedonut @wonderingdane @kev BS. If you have installed and maintained a server that has been used by real people in a real company, at global IT consulting business you would be sold as "senior expert system engineer" with 150€/h price tag.Of course you personally would still get the bare minimum for junior position. And mainly be that one person trying to keep the customer happy while the team outsourced from the cheapest location on earth has screwed up again.But that's just a thing the big companies do and not related to actual skills. Just forget the second paragraph. And remember that first part: A professional salespersons would be selling you with a monster skillset for a lot of money.
(DIR) Post #9zeod7ALnvwI4d6gjo by mike@fosstodon.org
2020-09-29T17:05:44Z
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@juristi I'd have to agree. @Gina has done things in her work that I haven't in 20+ years in the field. Impostor Syndrome is rife in IT, and seems to especially affect people who are ACTUALLY competent. @kev @normandc @wholesomedonut @wonderingdane
(DIR) Post #9zerBqFat4U1egFKgS by normandc@fosstodon.org
2020-09-29T17:34:51Z
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@mikeI agree! I've dealt with imposter syndrome all my adult life. At my current job, I was hired in part to develop in-house know-how I didn't have (they were aware of it, and no other candidate had the skills either). I stumbled along, learning along the way. We've come a long way, my bosses are happy. Still, I doubt myself from time to time (or much of it). 🙄@juristi @Gina @kev @wholesomedonut @wonderingdane
(DIR) Post #9zgIy0TN4n4bBAqFKC by stevenroose@x0f.org
2020-09-30T10:20:58Z
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@Gina Hmm, I don't personally experience that but I might be in an exceptional position. I basically got a job that was perfectly in line with my already existing passion and identity :)But I get what you mean. Shorter working weeks, more part-time work and generally more freedom around work are going to have to become normalized.We don't even have enough jobs to have everyone work full-time. So it's not about preference, but about necessity.
(DIR) Post #9zgKKHNgzY8NwdMzNw by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-09-30T10:36:14Z
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@stevenroose I hope so.
(DIR) Post #9ziBgLU5uEPflojObI by w4tsn@darmstadt.social
2020-10-01T08:08:43Z
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@Gina I'm Co-founding a tech startup and still reduced my time to 30h/w because first for personal reasons how I cope with work in general and second because there is this strong tendency and pull to work 50h+ (which some of my colleagues decide to do) and I couldn't manage to keep up so I decided not to try it. Best decision I ever made. I love my job and I'm good at it. But apart from that I like computer games and movies a lot and don't want to feel bad about it.
(DIR) Post #9zjZsYJGdhmD52yqsy by Biscuit@fosstodon.org
2020-10-02T00:14:32Z
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@Gina hey Gina, sorry you're struggling with the way that "work" has become something which we're told should be integral to our sense of self. It's certainly something which does exist, and you're in good company in feeling this way.
(DIR) Post #9zjZvftQtwNnT6NxYG by Biscuit@fosstodon.org
2020-10-02T00:15:00Z
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@Gina I was speaking with my brother in law yesterday. He restores vintage dirt bikes as a hobby, and he recently had to get some wheels built. They're relatively rare, and so the spokes need to be custom made and are pretty tricky. There's only one guy in the country who can do it as far as we know. So, he went out there, and the guy came out of his shed and right off the bat called him a cunt.
(DIR) Post #9zjZwSNubvHfrX0yiu by Biscuit@fosstodon.org
2020-10-02T00:15:06Z
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@Gina Here in Australia that's actually fairly acceptable, but definitely odd. He told my brother in law that it'll be about three months wait. The other day my b.i.l. Called him to check on the progress, and the guy said he was going to head bush for a week or two so the wheels would be late, but "that's just how she goes eh?". In my opinion, this is a man who has work-life sorted.