Post 9uWxRMuOHr3HVdW1dw by velartrill@pleroma.site
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(DIR) Post #9uWsNaJtywdcAupBsO by velartrill@pleroma.site
2020-04-29T07:36:43.361825Z
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"As of 2015, MIT was the most popular software license on GitHub, ahead of any GPL variant" WHAT THE FUCK
(DIR) Post #9uWsNaUBMirSgndOts by tyil@soc.fglt.nl
2020-04-29T07:50:13.025601Z
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@velartrill Heh, I've gotten upset people on IRC a couple time because my Raku modules were licensed AGPL. Apparently I'm a terrible human being for "not allowing everyone" to use my work for free in their shitty proprietary applications. It's incredibly funny to see them rage because they can't just copy-paste someone else's effort and get paid for it.
(DIR) Post #9uWsO53Jien7USIspU by velartrill@pleroma.site
2020-04-29T07:36:58.682883Z
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techbros must be stopped
(DIR) Post #9uWsO5Ct94Rny8mWkS by velartrill@pleroma.site
2020-04-29T07:37:42.437890Z
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people who won't copyleft their OSS code are brainwashed tbh
(DIR) Post #9uWsmlT5fcVTzS84Q4 by velartrill@pleroma.site
2020-04-29T07:50:36.766103Z
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@tyil hahaha wow amazing
(DIR) Post #9uWsmleQzRa4YdR86K by velartrill@pleroma.site
2020-04-29T07:51:26.918758Z
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@tyil AGPL is my default license for exactly this reason
(DIR) Post #9uWsmm17d5jFh03FSq by tyil@soc.fglt.nl
2020-04-29T07:54:46.757165Z
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@velartrill Yeah, it's my default too, just to be sure it stays open. Sometimes I switch to LGPL, but I'll need some good reasons to do that. I'll need even better reaons to use something non-GPL. The only thing I generally hear is "b-b-but companies don't like GPL!!" and of course the "b-but GPL actually RESTRICTS freedom for me (as a shitty dev, I want the freedom to fuck over everyone else)!!!".
(DIR) Post #9uWtDwe0E5QuTFC4rg by velartrill@pleroma.site
2020-04-29T07:58:28.795078Z
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@tyil we're considering switching libk to CPAL bc it's basically AGPL with a linking exception, and i don't want to completely lock out everyone who uses like, LGPL or CC0 licenses, especially since that would be a problem for a lot of the operating systems we want to port it to. but that's an extreme case and i'd never use something that wasn't copyleft, except *maybe* CC0 for extremely short and trivial code snippets
(DIR) Post #9uWtjF0Q0a4sOYbN8y by tyil@soc.fglt.nl
2020-04-29T08:05:20.238771Z
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@velartrill Yeah, for such a project using something else than AGPL is probably a very good use-case. There's reasons for some very specific (open source) projects to use non-copyleft, and that's not a huge problem, I think. It all depends on the context.Most open source projects are made by people that don't believe in the open source spirit, and just want cheap labour for their day job, which is completely proprietary (and usually actively spies on its users). I'm glad my day job project is licensed EUPL.
(DIR) Post #9uWuI6tQAD6RMvxJOi by velartrill@pleroma.site
2020-04-29T08:06:24.068787Z
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@tyil ugh yeah. like that whole ~open core~ shit -- it's a fucking scourge
(DIR) Post #9uWuI743WfbrtuvnyS by tyil@soc.fglt.nl
2020-04-29T08:11:39.133999Z
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@velartrill Have you heard about ethical source yet? It’s “open source” in that you can see the source code, but it has none of the essential freedoms, because only the Good Guys are allowed to use it for Good things. This is in response to Bad Guys using permissively licensed code to do Bad Things.Open core is a joke, but the biggest problem is that they still try to sell it as open source, which is pathetic. These people know that they’re doing something abhorrent, and are pretending it is not to catch some easy profits. Sadly, I don’t think the term “open source” is protected anywhere, so they can call pretty much everything “open source”. And most people simply don’t care about the principles, they just want cheap labour with which they can brag how cool their new DevOps pipeline is.
(DIR) Post #9uWvFs2kVF0igloZou by velartrill@pleroma.site
2020-04-29T08:13:31.928897Z
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@tyil oh god what. i knew about things like that weird license Parastat dreamt up but i didn't know it was a movement with a goddamn brand name and everything
(DIR) Post #9uWvFsCJvefPASIDjs by tyil@soc.fglt.nl
2020-04-29T08:22:26.689703Z
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@velartrill It's from the same person that created the Contributor Covenant. Here's some terrible links you never wanted to open:- https://ethicalsource.dev/- https://wiki.opensource.org/bin/Main/OSI+Board+of+Directors/Board+Member+Elections/2020+Individual+and+Affiliate+Elections/Ehmke2020- https://www.reddit.com/r/kotakuinaction2/comments/ffeiis/sjw_coraline_ada_ehmke_tries_to_weasel_her_way_in/- http://techrights.org/2020/02/29/getting-banned-osi/
(DIR) Post #9uWvPUcqQO14xJHopM by velartrill@pleroma.site
2020-04-29T08:14:30.966273Z
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@tyil rms: you can't just point at things and call them open sourcegoogle: *points at bird* open source
(DIR) Post #9uWvPUoXitNFXalA3s by tyil@soc.fglt.nl
2020-04-29T08:24:11.268834Z
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@velartrill Have you noticed how similar all the "opponents" of RMS argue? "Haha he did a weird thing in public once what a loser, nobody can take him seriously!" It's so sad to see supposedly "grown up" people devolve so quickly when it comes to RMS.
(DIR) Post #9uWvRIRMhRNlk8mEU4 by opal@pl.wowana.me
2020-04-29T08:24:28.854144Z
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@velartrill @tyil personally i dont feel the need to say who can or cannot use my code. i dislike corporations as well but i think theres better ways to fight them
(DIR) Post #9uWvea6cKcOOIPPIXo by opal@pl.wowana.me
2020-04-29T08:26:53.818443Z
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@tyil @velartrill >The only thing I generally hear is "b-b-but companies don't like GPL!!"come on tyil, i explained to you that the gpl does not provide restrictions that most people actually need out of their projects. it keeps the open code that the developers released, open, for the rest of eternity. neither gpl nor permissive licences require users to publish code for private use (like within a company), see the faq section https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLRequireSourcePostedPublicfor people who understand the gpl fully (like, read it through with a lawyer, or at least read through the faq, which i think is a wonderful layperson resource) and who truly need the protection it provides, it's a great licence. i just think most people have misconceptions about it
(DIR) Post #9uWvtPQwIDhZXYz0JE by tyil@soc.fglt.nl
2020-04-29T08:29:36.060373Z
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@opal @velartrill Yeah, you pretended I was saying things which I wasn't, and then got very upset when I pointed out I didn't say those things. Not sure why you want to repeat that.I phrased common remarks *I hear*, not ones that I agree with. I am aware of the restrictions GPL makes, and which ones it doesn't make. You're correct most people have misconceptions about it.
(DIR) Post #9uWvy8SUpg2iLExsum by velartrill@pleroma.site
2020-04-29T08:26:06.575874Z
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@tyil YEAH like. he's also one of the single most important people in the history of computing, wrote code we all use every day, and is the reason we're not all forced to use proprietary operating systemssure he's a bit cringeworthy and weird these days but also like holy fuck show some goddamn respect
(DIR) Post #9uWvy8cmDSGYr7m5wG by tyil@soc.fglt.nl
2020-04-29T08:30:27.774910Z
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@velartrill All the great programmers of the Old Days were weird as fuck. They were able to achieve much because they weren't afraid of being weird. They're *themselves*, and that's admirable, if anything.
(DIR) Post #9uWvy9jC74zgHJmja4 by opal@pl.wowana.me
2020-04-29T08:30:25.274566Z
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@tyil @velartrill >you pretendedi disagree about the events that happened on irc but im going to be the better person here and just drop it. it's irrelevant now
(DIR) Post #9uWw12EuPa7vvDzZj6 by opal@pl.wowana.me
2020-04-29T08:30:59.817928Z
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@tyil @velartrill i know i blocked @kick over some previous conflict but i know we got into a discussion over the gpl, and i dont think i brought up this perspective in our discussion. at least, i certainly hadnt heard of the GPL FAQ at that time, so im sure i brought in some new perspective to the conversation that we hadwould like to hear kick's input on this
(DIR) Post #9uWw2pJhQeugQE5T6W by opal@pl.wowana.me
2020-04-29T08:31:19.188263Z
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@kick @tyil @velartrill (and to be clear i unblocked you, kick, to drag you into the conversation)
(DIR) Post #9uWwM5CYasebBpvcjw by velartrill@pleroma.site
2020-04-29T08:26:51.168948Z
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@tyil its much more important to have the right opinions and say them very loudly than it is to ever accomplish anything of value u see
(DIR) Post #9uWwM5NBxLA1iou7Jg by tyil@soc.fglt.nl
2020-04-29T08:34:46.592930Z
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@velartrill Oh yeah, this social schpiel is very common now. If you aren't part of the in-group, you're part of the opposition. Better watch out you don't say anything to offend the in-group! Just check Reddit "programmer" subs, or Hackernews, it's just people parroting popular narratives, without ever thinking about what they mean.My biggest pet peeve is all those hip developers always saying everyone needs to know multiple language paradigms so they can use the right solution for a problem, but whenever faced with something that's actually different, they get very upset and blame the language for being shit.Try proposing Lisp, or Perl, or Haskell, to any group of hip developers, and they'll screech at you to learn a "real" language.
(DIR) Post #9uWwiXNgVIemxRqALI by opal@pl.wowana.me
2020-04-29T08:38:49.266630Z
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@tyil @velartrill i still think a lot of conflict between us derives from you constantly being a smartass. like i see you constantly bag on collective thought (like your most-recent post) and i think it's hard for you to figure out that i'm trying to actually have open debates. kinda like a self-affirming belief: you're calloused a lot from people thinking collectively that you treat everyone under the same lens
(DIR) Post #9uWwl26LG1smoXv0KW by opal@pl.wowana.me
2020-04-29T08:39:18.291967Z
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@tyil @velartrill i hope that was coherentreally need to get food in the oven since it's preheated so im distracted. idk why im stuck on fedi like a fool
(DIR) Post #9uWwquh7hzaRa1vWCG by velartrill@pleroma.site
2020-04-29T08:37:36.774909Z
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@tyil "grow up and learn a soulless, horrifying language that was invented by drooling idiots at a megacorp in the past five years you fucking skiddie"
(DIR) Post #9uWwqus738NS874IKG by tyil@soc.fglt.nl
2020-04-29T08:40:21.065949Z
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@velartrill I guess, looking at one of my colleagues, I can certainly understand why they want languages that make copy-pasting easy. That's how they work, they open their browser, go to Google, search their problem, click the first Stack Overflow link, and copy-paste it into their project. They don't understand their problems, and they don't want to.Hell, one of my colleagues disabled `shellcheck` on a project because he disagreed with shellcheck's warnings! He *only* knows Python, and not enough Python to explain to me how to use their logging system, but for some reason he knows more about Bash than shellcheck now.
(DIR) Post #9uWwzMk5JNJ6sxLHYu by velartrill@pleroma.site
2020-04-29T08:39:17.040149Z
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@tyil chicken scheme is my language of choice and it lets me get shit done super quickly and comfortably that was just agonizing in every other language. but imagine proposing that to the "yes i am Programmer i know javascript python ruby AND go 😎" crowd
(DIR) Post #9uWx5rqOaYoL5EOVqi by velartrill@pleroma.site
2020-04-29T08:41:38.801332Z
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@tyil i haven't heard of shellcheck, sounds like it might be useful
(DIR) Post #9uWx5s2nqQjfhiCQBk by tyil@soc.fglt.nl
2020-04-29T08:43:03.089385Z
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@velartrill It's a linter for shell scripts. At least for POSIX sh and Bash, but probably other shell syntaxes as well. I highly recommend it if you want to write shell scripts that are meant to run on systems other than your own.
(DIR) Post #9uWxJ6EWOxL5TVzMIa by tyil@soc.fglt.nl
2020-04-29T08:45:27.070862Z
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@opal @velartrill If you still think the problem has only one side and that side can't be you, you haven't learned anything from the previous situation. And, let me repeat this: spamming a public irc channel with some bigmatix isn't going to help you convince people of your viewpoint.
(DIR) Post #9uWxRMuOHr3HVdW1dw by velartrill@pleroma.site
2020-04-29T08:46:41.155059Z
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@tyil i def will then, this is something i run into problems with p frequently
(DIR) Post #9uX1FIlIHJTczRlJL6 by kline@cmpwn.com
2020-04-29T09:29:12Z
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@velartrill copyleft for applications.permissive for libraries.this is how you start to get free software into the people without getting taken for a ride by corps who reskin your application and say "cool this ours now"
(DIR) Post #9uX1PEXQpuPAmq0wFs by opal@pl.wowana.me
2020-04-29T09:31:23.648292Z
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@tyil @velartrill youre retarded for taking that seriously and not getting over it. its irc, chill the fuck out
(DIR) Post #9uX2zhhnyDBdcuovVg by velartrill@pleroma.site
2020-04-29T09:46:53.519062Z
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@kline AGPL for everything imo. there's rare instances where i'll use CPAL but the vast majority of time i want to make sure that nobody is going to be able to exploit my free labor for their own selfish profit, and permissive licenses are the opposite of that
(DIR) Post #9uX2zhsRKfh49tnQ5Q by kline@cmpwn.com
2020-04-29T09:49:09Z
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@velartrill my software output isn't about me, it's about enabling others.It's not a case of "I can't have money for my work so you can't either".
(DIR) Post #9uX4tXEgBQzDKHNpRI by interru@social.interru.io
2020-04-29T10:08:10.241463Z
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@tyil @velartrill I don't copyleft my code. In what way am I brainwashed? ... I have no problem with others earning money while utilizing one of my small libs. Earning money isn't inherently evil. Also keep in mind that you all were shitty devs once.
(DIR) Post #9uX4tXTDJOc23MBR5s by tyil@soc.fglt.nl
2020-04-29T10:10:26.469013Z
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@interru @velartrill I have to *keep* repeating this: The GPL does *NOT* prohibit *ANYONE* from making money.The GPL is about protecting the freedom of the general public, known as "the user". It's completely OK to make money off of GPL software. Nobody is telling you not to. Please stop pretending like the GPL is some evil communist tool to make money illegal.
(DIR) Post #9uX8j1yrvwg1JMEcdc by interru@social.interru.io
2020-04-29T10:30:30.073409Z
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@tyil @velartrill I didn't say that GPL does prohibit you making any money. I only said that I don't have a problem that others get money while utilizing my code.My current practice is to use Apache license for libs and GPL for bigger projects. Keep in mind that GPL can cause funny problems regarding libs: https://trac.xapian.org/wiki/LicensingBeing pragmatic apparently means that I am the one who is brainwashed.
(DIR) Post #9uX8j2BHBobLvq2Wye by tyil@soc.fglt.nl
2020-04-29T10:53:22.551907Z
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@interru @velartrill Your reply most certainly did imply that using the GPL means you must hate people making money, which I see happening here has well, "I don't have a problem that others get money while utilizing my code". That line of thinking is not in any way related to usage of GPL, because GPL doesn't prohibit it. The only reason to bring that into it, when nobody was talking about that before, is to construe the point that usage of a copyleft license is somehow prohibiting making money.I'm also pretty sure I didn't call anyone brainwashed, but I do agree that using permissive licenses *generally* don't help in making open source the standard, and even less in making free software the standard.
(DIR) Post #9uXGuxPdXkUQFdx9uK by interru@social.interru.io
2020-04-29T12:02:44.950374Z
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@tyil @velartrill Perhaps the only reason you can think of. I doubt you can possibly know all the intentions and reasons why someone wrote something. If you think you can, you should probably reassess your abilities. That you imply malice and don't consider incompetence or an inability to convey a point as a possible reason kind of supports this assumption.To explain what I wanted to convey with that line: I didn't want to imply that you can't make any money with GPL software. This was only to give context for the question on what my personal view is. And quite frankly: I have no problem if some mediocre developer uses my lib in a corporate setting and redistributing it in binary form. I kind of have something against that if the lib gets modified and then redistributed but usually most companies won't do something like this because that mediocre developer don't want to fork and maintain the lib internally.I shouldn't have used "earn money" to convey that message. But that's hindsight and the previous messages in this discussion weren't free from over simplified assertions either. ;)> I'm also pretty sure I didn't call anyone brainwashedYou didn't... @velartrill did> but I do agree that using permissive licenses *generally* don't help in making open source the standardI don't agree to any generalization of the problem. This is much, much more complex that you shouldn't break it down like that:https://lucumr.pocoo.org/2013/7/23/licensing/
(DIR) Post #9uXGuxfEbkxz21FcDg by tyil@soc.fglt.nl
2020-04-29T12:25:10.635603Z
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@interru @velartrill > don't consider incompetence or an inability to convey a pointBut I did. That's the entire post you're replying to, showing what you said and how it comes across, in order to show why people are responding to it in such a way.> previous messages in this discussion weren't free from over simplified assertions either.Sure, but to make it about financial gain is not just "over simplified", it's factually incorrect.> I kind of have something against that if the lib gets modified and then redistributed but usually most companies won't do something like thisProbably correct. The ones that do have the resources to pull that kind of shit off are the ones you should be working hardest against giving them such opportunities. These are companies like Google, Facebook, Amazon, ... They go out of their way to fuck over every single human being for every cent they can. And they do most of it using software that people gave them for free, no strings attached. The software that used to be for promoting freedom is now used to actively harm the user. This scenario is what the GPL tries to solve. The user should be in full control of the software they use.> This is much, much more complexIndeed it is. And humans, especially programmers, are trained to break down very complex problems into smaller problems, and to generalize about them, in order to start fixing a problem. I'm not going to read that entire article, by the way, but skimming over it, this stood out to me:> I spent over a year doing busybox license enforcement, and a dozen lawsuits later I'm still unaware of a SINGLE LINE OF CODE added to the busybox repository as a result...The point of the GPL is not to force people to contribute back to you. It's not about you and what you want. The GPL exists to protect the freedom of the users. Nothing more, nothing less. If the freedom of your users is a high priority, you really ought to use a copyleft license.
(DIR) Post #9uXJZs0gjZ37HFv76e by interru@social.interru.io
2020-04-29T12:47:27.289536Z
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@tyil @velartrill over simplified always means factually wrong. I won't defend my statement which I only nonchalantly did to provide context. You are correct that what it can imply is wrong. But it wasn't the main point and derails from the point I primarily wanted to make: Calling others brainwashed because they came to a different conclusion on an ideologically very complex subject. Which somehow nobody bothers.
(DIR) Post #9uXJa2KYMYshHlI7SS by tyil@soc.fglt.nl
2020-04-29T12:54:55.159459Z
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@interru @velartrill > But it wasn't the main point and derails from the pointIt certainly did.> Calling others brainwashed because they came to a different conclusionThat's not something I did, so that's not something I can change. While the wording is strong, I understand where @velartrill is coming from. Many people that "hate copyleft" generally just parrot whatever the hip developer crowd is chanting. The only big opponents of copyleft are big companies that want to produce proprietary software, mostly to hide the spying capabilities of said software. People who are in favour of free software have nothing against it, because copyleft intends to only hurt those who wish to abuse users with their software. Of course, nothing and nobody is perfect, and thus the GPL has multiple versions trying to cover up loopholes that were left in earlier versions.I am a strong proponent of freedom, and don't want the software I produce to be used to harm users, ever. That's why I default to a strong copyleft license.
(DIR) Post #9uXN8iEbN3j2xNjYie by interru@social.interru.io
2020-04-29T13:26:26.744215Z
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@tyil @velartrill "Freedom" is a very ideologically loaded word and hasn't universally the same meaning everywhere. If you don't want to harm users there are also GPL incompatible licenses which prohibit certain uses. I for once hate everything which involves copyright and the complexities it involves. Restricting GPL further to force your ideology on others only worsens the implications and license incompatibilities and the amount we have to deal with copyright increases. Which also harms open source and free software because it harms collaboration.Think about it: What will happen if I create a license which allows the use only if you live vegan for at least 2 months. Because the food industry currently harms society which in turn harms the uses. Where do you draw the boundary?
(DIR) Post #9uXN8iT8V1LrgSXANE by tyil@soc.fglt.nl
2020-04-29T13:34:52.356184Z
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@interru @velartrill > "Freedom" is a very ideologically loaded wordWords can mean different things to many people. Let me clarify, I am a strong proponent of the four freedoms as laid out by the FSF.> If you don't want to harm users there are also GPL incompatible licenses which prohibit certain uses.All of which restrict the freedom of users in some way, as well. I haven't seen a license that is legally valid, protects users, and is *not* copyleft. I'd be very interested in learning about one, if you know one.> the amount we have to deal with copyright increasesThat's a flaw of the copyright system, not of the GPL. Blame the rules, not the player.> What will happen if I create a license which allows the use only if you live vegan for at least 2 monthsThat license doesn't grant the user freedom, so I would oppose that license. I draw the boundary at user freedom, as I stated in my earlier post.
(DIR) Post #9uXT0XQwFDZIrlzQ92 by velartrill@pleroma.site
2020-04-29T08:24:25.441778Z
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@tyil oh god i'm about to have a very bad time
(DIR) Post #9uXT0XbZbg4jOkxuim by y6nH@im-in.space
2020-04-29T14:34:47Z
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@velartrill @tyil so people who use OS code to write proprietary software make you spitting mad, but people who use OS code to commit human rights abuses are OK? I mean, more types of licence means that compatibility gets messy, but it is already messy. What's the big problem?
(DIR) Post #9uXT0XkR4jAFqF6zXE by tyil@soc.fglt.nl
2020-04-29T14:40:34.111935Z
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@y6nH @velartrill I wouldn't say spitting mad, but I do disagree on a moral level with producing proprietary software, yes.Human rights can be abused by either proprietary or open source software. Abuse is done by people, not software.
(DIR) Post #9uXYFaNu3QhU8KZ3qq by velartrill@pleroma.site
2020-04-29T14:49:21.145543Z
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@tyil @y6nH the idea that free software is some great threat to human rights in the first place is just pure lunacy. it's never been anything but a weapon to give the wokesters an angle they could use to gain influence over the OSS movement. the software that's actually used for evil is by and large proprietary, and any free software that's used incidentally in the commission of acts that authors of the Cooperative Non-Violent Public License find morally objectionable does not give the actors any qualitatively new capabilities they would not have had without it. if you're an evil state thug and you can't use wokemacs to draft your instruction manual on torturing political prisoners, you won't give up on oppressing the people and set all your victims free -- you'll just write it in Word instead.and of course the idea that copyright is going to be an effective weapon against state actors hell-bent on doing wrong is just laughable.
(DIR) Post #9uXs2IztO2ETWhHKHg by kick@blob.cat
2020-04-29T19:21:06.717533Z
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@opal @tyil @velartrill big fan of the gplI'm really not quite sure which particular bit of the conversation I was wanted to comment on, though; it's quite a big conversation and there's a lot to be said on it. That said, here's my thoughts on the thread:I think both sides make some good points in this; the GPL is a good license, and it *doesn't* offer all of the protections most people hope it does. I think that, all things considered, it (and the AGPL) is probably the most reasonable license for general usage. There are some stricter licenses that arguably hit on most of the expectations people thrust upon the A/GPLv3 (SOWPL for example), but they're pretty odd.Companies aren't really afraid of the GPL any longer, but the AGPL spooks most lawyers (the big G refuses to allow even non-technical employees to have AGPL software on their devices):https://opensource.google/docs/using/agpl-policy/I think in general the A/GPL manages to be far more reasonable than most people assume it to be, while also having a few pain points (the ambiguity of GPLv2 really hurt it, for example).
(DIR) Post #9uXtj4dqjgPTPSvRnU by georgia@dickkickextremist.xyz
2020-04-29T19:40:01.754530Z
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@kickI mean google is a big nonfree network service and they don't want people downloading anti-botnet software onto their botnet @opal @tyil @velartrill
(DIR) Post #9uXwfw2eYNUtjOipvc by opal@pl.wowana.me
2020-04-29T20:13:05.902356Z
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@georgia @kick @tyil @velartrill that isnt it at all
(DIR) Post #9uXwn1hxsuOBKeQWlk by georgia@dickkickextremist.xyz
2020-04-29T20:14:21.823542Z
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@opalif they aren't afraid of violating the AGPL then why are they so paranoid about barring its usage @kick @tyil @velartrill
(DIR) Post #9uXxWSAMMSJuQBMxzE by opal@pl.wowana.me
2020-04-29T20:22:32.424260Z
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@georgia @kick @tyil @velartrill except you didnt say anything about that. you just said "muh botnet" the entire post
(DIR) Post #9uXxuIMsRSXCz0aphA by georgia@dickkickextremist.xyz
2020-04-29T20:26:53.296332Z
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@opalAGPL says the server side software has to be libre, google is a proprietary network, thus they are afraid of violating it. connect the dots.@kick @tyil @velartrill
(DIR) Post #9uXyB6CcvRTQAxoMNs by georgia@dickkickextremist.xyz
2020-04-29T20:29:56.365967Z
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@opal @kick @tyil @velartrill"botnet" was just shorthand for proprietary SaaS delivery networks /data mining factories that result when non-free network software gets out of hand.I specifically mentioned non-free network software
(DIR) Post #9uY0pkL5Jnec9GHFnE by opal@pl.wowana.me
2020-04-29T20:59:39.359253Z
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@georgia @kick @tyil @velartrill >google is one product
(DIR) Post #9uY0sKmEoWRXjoDCKW by opal@pl.wowana.me
2020-04-29T21:00:09.178376Z
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@georgia @kick @tyil @velartrill im mutinh this thread, i already got kicks respons3
(DIR) Post #9uY1PNJ0QxXZ8VIHjs by georgia@dickkickextremist.xyz
2020-04-29T21:06:08.057942Z
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@opalsowwy@kick @tyil @velartrill