Post 9pdA024o9VJeXpf8u8 by gaeel@stream.void.garden
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(DIR) Post #9pd7yhDzzeH9fzCFqS by Are0h@playvicious.social
2019-12-04T18:45:10Z
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LOL, coding existed before GitHub and we'll be just fine if it goes away.A lot of folks are mistaking convenience for necessity.Does GitHub making collaborative coding easier? Sure. Do we *need* GitHub for that purpose? Ha, hell nah. We have so many other options these days.If GitHub goes away, we'll just use something else. It's just popular, not indispensable.
(DIR) Post #9pd7yhXUp9s6eSJpEe by RussSharek@mastodon.art
2019-12-04T18:46:53Z
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@Are0h > "A lot of folks are mistaking convenience for necessity."I think I want this embroidered on a pillow. :)
(DIR) Post #9pd9150ucLmfzPmAfw by mwlucas@bsd.network
2019-12-04T18:51:19Z
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@Are0h As an old-school BSD guy, who's been around collaborative development since the 1980s:We had collaboration before github. We'll have git after github.No single site, no single tool, is irreplaceable.The CSRG evaporated in the 90s, we youngsters all thought it was the end of the world, then we picked up and carried on. :flan_shrug:
(DIR) Post #9pdA00FivwrKt6kpdo by gaeel@stream.void.garden
2019-12-04T18:55:45Z
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@Are0h lol, there are so many workable alternatives to GitHub, including a bunch of self-hosted ones (I'm using Gitea that is just lovely to use)Do people not understand that Git is the important bit? Git is literally the easiest thing to migrate to a new service
(DIR) Post #9pdA01ELIZLfv77F7w by Are0h@playvicious.social
2019-12-04T18:58:37Z
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@gaeel That's the beauty of Git. Change a couple urls in the config and boom, you're using a new service.But that doesn't get clicks, hahahah...
(DIR) Post #9pdA024o9VJeXpf8u8 by gaeel@stream.void.garden
2019-12-04T19:10:32Z
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@Are0h right, i shifted from GitHub to GitLab to FramaGit to my own instance as each one turned out to be ran by shit headsFingers crossed I don't find out I'm secretly working for ICE or something
(DIR) Post #9pdA5RqZlXZpuzaWMy by freakazoid@retro.social
2019-12-04T18:56:16Z
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@Are0h If emailing patches to a mailing list is good enough for Linux, it's good enough for anyone. Anyone who can't deal with version control without a centralized web UI that everyone else also has to use they should consider a field other than programming.
(DIR) Post #9pdA5S9MdgbcrGNWee by Are0h@playvicious.social
2019-12-04T19:00:52Z
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@freakazoid LOL, Captain Sean with the BROLIC take.Hahaha, I understand what you mean, but I like things being accessible too. Being unfamiliar with the command line shouldn't exclude people from using a particular tool.So yeah, people should learn, but I don't think they should be excluded if it takes awhile.
(DIR) Post #9pdA5SUHNvKtu8AEFs by freakazoid@retro.social
2019-12-04T19:05:03Z
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@Are0h I'm a very strong believer in mentorship and good documentation. It's not being unfamiliar with the command line that's an issue, it's refusal to use it. My own employer has ended up with an awful bespoke alert definition system that requires exporting JSON from Grafana because the person building out our monitoring didn't feel that developers would be willing to learn to write Kapacitor rules.GH are not interested in accessibility; they're interested in lock-in.
(DIR) Post #9pdA5SleLLEMm0I6KW by freakazoid@retro.social
2019-12-04T19:11:11Z
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@Are0h I've said the same about programming languages: they should lift people up, not dumb themselves down.Git's fairly well documented, but it does have the problem that people need a certain "a hah" moment before they can get themselves out of tight spots. A UI that showed the actual repo structure rather than just the branch structure might be really helpful for getting people to that point. Like, show the objects, trees, stash, index, and reflog!
(DIR) Post #9pdA5T9ktiVrylZLu4 by Are0h@playvicious.social
2019-12-04T19:14:31Z
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@freakazoid Git had this really weird elitism based on how esoteric and often indecipherable it was unless you understood the inner workings of shit no one cared about. That kept me away from it for a long time. Once I dove in and saw how it works, it's actually pretty slick, but when one wants to talk about it, it's usually JUST READ THE DOCUMENTATION.Looking back, I would imagine people managing git simply didn't have social skills, including Linus.And we know how toxic that becomes.
(DIR) Post #9pdA7C1dYqb3QZasbY by Are0h@playvicious.social
2019-12-04T19:07:32Z
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@freakazoid Ah, I hear you. Having experience with working with systems that are built on the whims of an inexperienced dev making bad decisions, agreed.
(DIR) Post #9pdA7CK4SJLGLkDbKy by ajroach42@retro.social
2019-12-04T19:08:22Z
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@Are0h @freakazoid big mood
(DIR) Post #9pdA7Cgl5xURU6pihU by freakazoid@retro.social
2019-12-04T19:15:09Z
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@ajroach42 @Are0h Speaking of UIs and usability, last week's risky.biz interview was with Sally Carson of Duo Security talking about how they employ a designer for every 5 developers, which is why I expect them to wipe the floor with everyone else in the space. Usability is inseparable from security.