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(DIR) Post #9nquA0a78jexKiyN28 by PurpleBarnacle@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T14:39:40Z
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I don't think there's any point in sharing a platform with the far right since those we're trying to reach are dismissing us as far right or in bed with the far right as a result. I keep on seeing these types of comments now so are we actually making progress using these tactics? I'm really not convinced. It seems to confirm the suspicion that we're just hateful bigots and actually anti-trans rather than concerned about women's and children's health, safety and welfare.
(DIR) Post #9nqw1GuPGXv5H1QTmC by susannunes@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T15:00:30Z
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Women have NO avenues to have a voice. They have NO political home. The left is useless. THAT is the issue. In your view, Andrea Dworkin and Catherine Mackinnon were tools of the right as well. Their anti-porn work was continually discounted by the male left for decades. The "tools of the right" is an old fable that has been pushed by the male left forever to shut women up. @PurpleBarnacle
(DIR) Post #9nqwk7Uh7Gm36bmiIa by PurpleBarnacle@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T15:08:38Z
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That's simply not true. WPUK, Transgender Trend and Fair Play For Women have raised awareness and reached many people without the need to ally with groups that are in part responsible for the problems we're seeing. I've been involved in this debate for years but it's only recently that I've seen repeated attacks on us as right-wing bigots. Having a platform is pretty useless if it's seen as bigoted. @susannunes
(DIR) Post #9nqxS2baebFUgWxAau by susannunes@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T15:16:34Z
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You are talking about the UK. The UK is NOT the U.S. please understand the difference. @PurpleBarnacle
(DIR) Post #9nqxhuo1Q5rv82KzaK by susannunes@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T15:19:26Z
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The male left in the US has ALWAYS silenced women. There is NO avenue for women to have a voice, understand. NOW has been co-opted. SPLC has been co-opted. The ACLU is useless and always has been for women. The Democratic Party has been held hostage by the trans. Women can't get funding here. I am almost 65 years old, and I KNOW how much women are hated in this country. Stop buying in to the lies promulgated by Brennan and the rest of the women who are consumed with envy with women who are getting their voices heard. @PurpleBarnacle
(DIR) Post #9nqxinxUMb7aBKBpTc by PurpleBarnacle@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T15:19:36Z
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And the discussion applies to the UK too, since the likes of Owen Jones is dismissing us as far-right bigots. Please don't patronise me.@susannunes
(DIR) Post #9nqxmvQ0ZMS0TcUhpg by susannunes@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T15:20:21Z
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Don't patronize me by trying to tell me how things are in the U.S. You know nothing about it here. @PurpleBarnacle
(DIR) Post #9nqy8Ekvrt6SX3RZLc by susannunes@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T15:24:12Z
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Our style of government is different, and our political parties are different. Women's organizations in the U.S. have been completely co-opted by the trans movement, even outfits like NOW. There is no place for women in American politics. @PurpleBarnacle
(DIR) Post #9nqzCvacegniUVQDrM by grrrandma@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T15:36:13Z
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Strangely, when environmentalists work with the right, they don't get accused of being "in bed" with the right. That only happens to feminists. Why do you think that is? @PurpleBarnacle
(DIR) Post #9nr0FcHV03lnQiK5Q0 by PurpleBarnacle@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T15:47:56Z
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Environmentalists get held to account/criticised when they ally with polluters, for example. No group is exempt from these attempts to derail. I just don't think we should be allying ourselves with anti-LGB and anti-women groups. Fine to disagree, but I'm already seeing the backlash.@grrrandma
(DIR) Post #9nr13LAgt7BkqNqgKm by LangCleg@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T15:56:57Z
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@PurpleBarnacle @grrrandma I don't think anyone is allying with the "far right" are they? There are some cautious, specific, platforms being shared with right-of-centre organisations. Not the same thing as cosying up to the EDL.Besides, since the current version of "the left" merely self-identifies as such and is - at best - wet liberal but more often right wing libertarian (as is anything basing its politics on queer theory), I'm inclined to ignore traditional political lines.If "the left" ever returns to materialism and collectivism in place of individualist self fulfilment, it won't be supporting genderism anyway. And we won't need to go anywhere near anything right-of-centre.
(DIR) Post #9nr2RzaINvcP5R8z44 by PurpleBarnacle@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T16:12:36Z
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I agree about the left, though I say that applies mostly to men on the left. When it comes to women they've always adopted a neo-liberal approach really. This is not the case for the Women's Liberation Movement and radical or socialist feminism.I was thinking of all those linking to Breitbart, though I'd argue that the Heritage Foundation isn't simply right-of-centre. As I said, I've been engaged in this debate for decades and these shared platforms only seem to be leading to more ways to discredit us. Women can and do achieve things without such platforms.@LangCleg @grrrandma
(DIR) Post #9nr2r4DMJ8E0gbN7hY by LangCleg@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T16:17:08Z
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@PurpleBarnacle @grrrandma I suppose we're looking at very different pictures - and therefore political calculations - on each side of the Pond.We don't have so much judicial activism here in Blighty either, so that's another factor to consider.
(DIR) Post #9nr3KlCdYaXOPUC2fg by PurpleBarnacle@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T16:22:30Z
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I think my comment is more to do with seeing the likes of OJ (who else?) dismissing us as right-wing bigots. As I said, not something I ever saw until recently. I wish people would pay more attention to what WPUK, Fair Play For Women and Transgender Trend (who've been going for years) are achieving. And maybe also listen to detansitioned women and their criticism of certain alliances.@LangCleg @grrrandma
(DIR) Post #9nr42zKwMuQazHAOIa by DejaVu@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T16:30:29Z
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@PurpleBarnacle We argue against it, since it is fictitious, and defend the position of feminists here and in USA.This bogus accusation about a relationship with the Far Right / Religious Right is a tactic employed by men to divide women.These men have *no* evidence. They make baseless assertions.Those women who succumb to those assertions are letting men set their agenda.We stand our ground and fight back.
(DIR) Post #9nr4FqWsQSXVR5sg3U by DejaVu@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T16:32:48Z
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@PurpleBarnacle And, by the way, no woman should ever give any credence to a word that vile misogynist OJ says.
(DIR) Post #9nr4nKrCgkK13JMDxY by ReSistingPink@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T16:38:52Z
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So true. And-It's the labels that get us into this mess. The endless boxing off and classifying and dividing.Eyes on the prize, one fight at a time. @LangCleg @PurpleBarnacle @grrrandma
(DIR) Post #9nr551cwvJjocm7pXk by HebrideanHecate@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T16:42:02Z
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@susannunes @PurpleBarnacle Do you have Independent politicians in the USA or do you just have Republican and Deocrat?I mean like we do in the UKAsking because I haven't a clue, aside from the two of them, and am curious
(DIR) Post #9nr5dO8piqqoITQMxU by LangCleg@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T16:48:16Z
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@DejaVu @PurpleBarnacle Taking an overly cautious, trutrans position hasn't protected WPUK or TT or FPFW. The Sanctimonious Morph - and every other British TRA - still attacks them as far right hate groups.It's a waste of time even thinking about what they're going to say and who is going to believe them - this side of the Pond, anyway. I wouldn't speak for the US since I'm not familiar enough with the dynamics of bipartisan campaigning there.They're going to say the same things whatever we say or do. And some people are going to believe them.I said something about this on MN earlier, actually. Lemme find it....... here we are.Someone said:"Bumping this thread as I detect an increasing divide between the Posie Parker side of the debate (it's OK to ally with the right on common causes, but not with transexuals), and the Woman's Place side of the debate (it's expedient to ally with some transexuals, but we're mainly trade unionists so wouldn't ally with the right).I'd be interested to hear people's thoughts."I responded:"I don't think men, however they identify or whatever surgical interventions they've had, should be involved in feminist organising. Making the sandwiches, supporting from the sidelines, or helping to finance, should be their limits. They only fuck it up by getting their dicks out or causing divisions between women.I'm not a supporter of the trutrans position. I think you can only successfully destigmatise male trans identities if they are understood as male identities.I don't really understand the left vs right business because, to me, there's nothing of the left in genderism, however moderate or extreme. It's an ideology of the libertarian right that (ironically) merely self identifies as of the left. I'm an unreconstructed materialist leftist and genderism has absolutely nothing to do with me or materialist leftism.I'd happily ally with the right on specific campaigns, such as court cases or proposed legislation. And happily continue to oppose the right on almost everything else.I'm equally happy to support WPUK in its efforts even though I disagree with its tactical support for trutrans and think it's overly timid at times.In short: if it's good for women and child protection, I'm for it. Regardless of the origin."Here, if it helps your thinking at all:https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3685656-A-question-worth-considering?pg=4
(DIR) Post #9nr5lTsCIPp6OFVAiu by PurpleBarnacle@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T16:49:43Z
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It isn't fictitious since GC women have shared the platform with the likes of the Heritage Foundation, which is clearly anti-women and anti-LGB. It's disingenuous to say that this is about men trying to divide women when many women raised concerns about this platform sharing. Stop patronising us. We're capable of seeing issues ourselves and we warned about such alliances. Not least we said TAs would use this to smear us, which is exactly what they're doing.@DejaVu
(DIR) Post #9nr689AXRKJwpzt9sG by PurpleBarnacle@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T16:53:50Z
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These accusations have only really surfaced since women have shared platforms with problematic groups. What has it really achieved in the end? Are we preaching to the choir or are we managing to reach new people this way? Because WPUK, FPFW and TT have all raised awareness where it's needed.@LangCleg
(DIR) Post #9nr6LRolPo6URN2uyO by LangCleg@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T16:56:15Z
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@PurpleBarnacle I'd actually argue that Mumsnet is reaching more hitherto uninvolved women than anyone else in the UK - not by design, simply because of its wide-ranging nature and vast user base. That's why the genderists hate it more even than the actual campaigning women's groups. Which is why, despite the restrictions and frustrations, I stick it out there.
(DIR) Post #9nr6Uh6HxpaYReeVLE by PurpleBarnacle@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T16:57:55Z
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I guess it shows that women don't need to form alliances with divisive groups.@LangCleg
(DIR) Post #9nr6ercJibXjxQTyjI by LangCleg@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T16:59:45Z
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@PurpleBarnacle In the end, I suppose I think that there are many ways to skin cats and we should all just get on with the skinning we think is best. I'm not going to waste time parsing the efforts of other women. (Not suggesting you're doing that here but you see what I mean?)
(DIR) Post #9nr6tu8SdZ2870goE4 by PurpleBarnacle@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T17:02:28Z
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I guess I speak up because I've been labelled alt-right several times now and I see certain alliances as counter-productive as a result. I also have a problem with the right/far-right capitalising on the work of women, which could have pretty bad consequences for us.@LangCleg
(DIR) Post #9nr7dskG8egl7YIEoy by LangCleg@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T17:10:47Z
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@PurpleBarnacle I think the capitalising thing may be more significant stateside? I wouldn't see that as likely in the UK. But I think you should skin the cat in any way you see fit - if that involves steering clear of anything right-of-centre, all's good. If others see opportunities and go another way, also all good.What I don't think we should do is worry about what a load of insane misogynists are going to say about us. Any whiff of non-compliance and they'll say exactly the same things regardless of whether they're true or not.
(DIR) Post #9nr98lFY9j1Mo1DX0K by AnneBevan@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T17:27:34Z
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@LangCleg @PurpleBarnacle Exactly right. Misogynists will always blame us for everything.
(DIR) Post #9nr9DYZgi2bMwTvJ7w by DejaVu@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T17:28:24Z
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@PurpleBarnacle Nobody from UK shared a platform with the Heritage Foundation. The meeting that happened at HF was organised by mothers of children who had been caught up in taking medication, breast bonding, double mastectomy etc. No organisation in Washington DC would give these mothers space to hold a meeting to discuss what was happening to their children. Eventually, HF agreed to do it.As you know that meeting took place while three feminists from UK were visiting Washington DC to meet with WoLF and engage in protest against Twitter's censorship of women on its social media platform and protest against HRC because of its aim to destroy civil rights for women in USA.Of those three feminists, two are mothers. They decided to attend that meeting as members of the audience to listen to the stories of those other mothers. So, they sat on chairs, in the audience and heard those stories and the subsequent Q&A session. Neither of those UK women made any contribution to that meeting other than to applaud the speakers. [I am assuming you did not see the film of this meeting.]
(DIR) Post #9nr9fsbVplRhAeHYlU by DejaVu@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T17:33:32Z
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@PurpleBarnacle Nobody from UK shared a platform with the Heritage Foundation. The meeting that happened at HF was organised by mothers of children who had been caught up in taking medication, breast binding, double mastectomy etc. No organisation in Washington DC would give these mothers space to hold a meeting to discuss what was happening to their children. Eventually, HF agreed to do it.As you know that meeting took place while three feminists from UK were visiting Washington DC to meet with WoLF and engage in protest against Twitter's censorship of women on its social media platform and protest against HRC because of its aim to destroy civil rights for women in USA.Of those three feminists, two are mothers. They decided to attend that meeting as members of the audience to listen to the stories of those other mothers. So, they sat on chairs, in the audience and heard those stories and the subsequent Q&A session. Neither of those UK women made any contribution to that meeting other than to applaud the speakers. [I am assuming you did not see the film of this meeting.]
(DIR) Post #9nrAChVW70oMJM80Rs by PurpleBarnacle@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T17:39:29Z
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I'm not worried about what they say about us, I'm saying it's counter-productive. If I cared about what people said about me I'd have left feminism a long time ago.@LangCleg
(DIR) Post #9nrBBr0nOBNRSAv11c by DejaVu@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T17:50:31Z
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@PurpleBarnacle Blocking me for presenting you with the facts of the matter is not a mature response.
(DIR) Post #9nrBJIyznARwENd6MS by LiseMeitner@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T17:51:51Z
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oh this makes me sad. haven't you known each other for years now?@DejaVu @PurpleBarnacle
(DIR) Post #9nrBgi1eqhjoYp2DSa by DejaVu@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T17:56:05Z
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@LiseMeitner Not as far as I am aware ... the handle is not one with which I am familiar. Perhaps she followed me on Twitter before I was banned?@PurpleBarnacle
(DIR) Post #9nrCOLerNBMLvjBDc0 by LiseMeitner@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T18:03:59Z
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Oh nevermind then. I remember her name from twitter and thought you knew each other. I was trying to explain the difference between single issue coalitions and alliances last night. Coalitions don't mean you've adopted the other group's beliefs or ideology and it's temporary. They can also be good because we'll have credibility when we talk to them about other issues like racism and climate. @DejaVu @PurpleBarnacle
(DIR) Post #9nrCpbCbggvbxUxWCm by DejaVu@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T18:08:51Z
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@LiseMeitner Indeed. @PurpleBarnacle "Temporary" being the operative word:
(DIR) Post #9nrD68tyA5eR6o87bE by LiseMeitner@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T18:11:51Z
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Yup. @DejaVu @PurpleBarnacle
(DIR) Post #9nrDAaZdDhNS5ejmDY by DejaVu@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T18:12:42Z
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@LiseMeitner I was banned from Twitter in June 2018. It's been quite a while since then and I had something like 5K followers at the time, if I recall correctly. Impossible to remember them all.@PurpleBarnacle
(DIR) Post #9nrDP5ZMm8KqHAWl7I by LiseMeitner@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T18:15:19Z
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I had so many accounts that got suspended its hard to recall exactly when I gave up đ@DejaVu @PurpleBarnacle
(DIR) Post #9nrEEO2Ns52yK2YpqC by DejaVu@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T18:24:35Z
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@LiseMeitner đ I only had the one active account. I have access via another route to be able to read any account I choose though which is sometimes very amusing.@PurpleBarnacle
(DIR) Post #9nrEhSg3hPV36uyxrU by LiseMeitner@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T18:29:50Z
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ha yes. And I no longer have any account at all, so I can also see all of them. It's a strange sort of relief to NOT to be able to reply to garbage- I can read it and let it go more easily @DejaVu @PurpleBarnacle
(DIR) Post #9nrJ3eEHpT1v7spKKm by CrackerjackCailleach@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T19:18:40Z
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Agreed, @susannunes. It is impossible here in the US. And I would not even say anyone is "joining with" the right. Since progressive organizations are actually now to the right.With reproductive rights under siege, Planned Parenthood is somehow making videos about "reproductive rights are trans rights," complete with cutesie bare-shoulder shots. I mean, how is "gender-affirming hormone therapy" reproductive care? I mean, if you want sterilization, then do that.https://youtu.be/pKHttVjAL68 @PurpleBarnacle
(DIR) Post #9nrJeFuxBOMMRHEwM4 by LiseMeitner@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T19:25:17Z
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That is the truth. The left is now, by definition, much closer to the right than we are. Medically converting and sterilizing gay and gnc kids is not progressive. The left, including OBAMA, took campaign donations from right wing REPUBLICAN ex military billionaire "Jennifer Pritzker" and no one batted an eye. I say this as a lifelong Dem and progressive, I WAS HORRIFIED. Obama invited Pritzker to his event when he declared that he would yank funding from any schools that refused to open girls spaces to males.@CrackerjackCailleach @susannunes @PurpleBarnacle
(DIR) Post #9nrJobi313V8vA8hN2 by LiseMeitner@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T19:27:09Z
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Pritzker even voted for TRUMP and bow he's pretending to denounce him but he's a liarhttps://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/06/why-billionaire-republican-donor-jennifer-pritzker-is-abandoning-trump-after-coming-out-as-trans@CrackerjackCailleach @susannunes @PurpleBarnacle
(DIR) Post #9nrJrvA996mk7frX84 by ReSistingPink@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T19:27:46Z
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Planned parenthood is a massive disappointment. I can't believe the road they've chosen. @CrackerjackCailleach @susannunes @PurpleBarnacle
(DIR) Post #9nrK0RinyaElQ48fSK by CrackerjackCailleach@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T19:29:17Z
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Wow, on all this, Elsa. I was just telling one of those many well-meaning uninformed people about Pritzker; people have no idea.@LiseMeitner @susannunes @PurpleBarnacle
(DIR) Post #9nrKQs9ML4kUulA0G0 by LiseMeitner@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T19:34:04Z
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And I got yelled at on twitter when I asked why Obama was taking SO much money from a far right asshole who has voted and donated to causes AGAINST LGB, women and children. I don't know if Barnacle has muted or blocked me but she should know these things. Obama's health care policy was modeled on the one proposed by the HERITAGE FOUNDATION and Obama refused to let the Attorney General go after the bankers who caused the great recession. @CrackerjackCailleach @susannunes @PurpleBarnacle
(DIR) Post #9nrKqztQAoZkSSA9KK by ReSistingPink@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T19:38:48Z
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@Boudicca_Marley just posted a link to this a$$hole as well. We need a GC billionaire to match this kind of cash lobbying. https://spinster.xyz/@Boudicca_Marley/posts/102951071244787360@LiseMeitner @CrackerjackCailleach @susannunes @PurpleBarnacle
(DIR) Post #9nrKydQlZTIT6qOxTE by CrackerjackCailleach@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T19:40:10Z
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@HebrideanHecate, not to but in on @susannunes , but here is a little info. Sen Angus King is an I who causes with Dems. Bernie Sanders is I, except when he is running for President when he registered as Dem to get support and then switches back. đ¤ Gary Johnson ran for Pres as Libertarian in 2016 (with R William Weld as running mate). Ralph Nader's third-party presidential runs are cautionary tales for many. (I voted for him twice . . . )@PurpleBarnacle
(DIR) Post #9nrL4ylFB8Bt0A0MS0 by LiseMeitner@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T19:41:19Z
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YES WE DO! @ReSistingPink @Boudicca_Marley @CrackerjackCailleach @susannunes @PurpleBarnacle
(DIR) Post #9nrLryDbz4PlVbdOoC by CrackerjackCailleach@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T19:50:10Z
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@HebrideanHecate, not to butt in on @susannunesâcurious of your answerâbut here is a little info. Sen Angus King is an I who caucuses with Dems. Bernie Sanders is I, except when he is running for President when he registers as Dem to get support and then switches back. đ¤ Gary Johnson ran for Pres as Libertarian in 2016 (with R William Weld as running mate). Ralph Nader's third-party presidential runs are cautionary tales for many. (I voted for him twice . . . long time ago.)Generally, there is not much effect from third-parties in US, and when there is many Dems say it just ruins things (as many said about Sanders in 2016, and Nader again and again).There are a few things I observe here that are especially relevant, and I am happy to be corrected/updated: one is the virulent racism, where those on the right have not gotten over Obama being elected (and many other class resentments that go with this). I am also under the impression that unions and labor in general have moved from relatively L to relatively R, and that there is just less influence of unions (right? no?). In any case, many of Trump's supporters are working-class people who mistakenly believe he is in their corner. And also the religious insanity, which becomes single-issue for many people.So, one can always find a third party candidate, especially locally, but it's very "binary" for the most part.The primary thing and the electoral college are also big factors. My primary is held after Guam's and matters not a whit.I compare notes with my family members in Canada and it is interesting that they have three prominent parties (plus) and do not vote in primaries. Above all though I find that my working-class relatives there are totally on to Trump. Friends in the US say education would solve our problems, but I ask what kind? The Canadians I speak of do not have much formal education but they are sane. More than what you asked . . @PurpleBarnacle
(DIR) Post #9nrLvJAaXnzZMAoPKq by CrackerjackCailleach@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T19:50:47Z
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That's just too weird, with all the leftie wanting to expose corporate welfare and stuff. @LiseMeitner @susannunes @PurpleBarnacle
(DIR) Post #9nrMAJxfsnqW9ivjxg by LiseMeitner@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T19:53:30Z
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I KNOW. I felt like I was in upside down world or something. The left is all bullshit posing and no substance. anti plastic straw activism while the world burns down@CrackerjackCailleach @susannunes @PurpleBarnacle
(DIR) Post #9nrMvrulSpAV4OF2i8 by LiseMeitner@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T20:02:05Z
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Btw I was keeping a close eye on Heritage during George W Bush and read their healthcare model, then it mysteriously disappeared after Obama began pushing his health plan. That and the banking thing made me worry they were all on the same side and mostly pretending to oppose each other. @CrackerjackCailleach @susannunes @PurpleBarnacle
(DIR) Post #9nrStl4yVQit14OW1Y by Sherri_Ingrey@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T21:08:57Z
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@LangCleg @PurpleBarnacle @grrrandma I just unfriended a 7 year FB friend for spouting that manure.
(DIR) Post #9nrSwwximWZKjuWWCu by Sherri_Ingrey@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T21:09:32Z
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@LangCleg @PurpleBarnacle @grrrandma
(DIR) Post #9nrTQaI7dVOv79CFXs by LangCleg@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T21:14:53Z
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@Sherri_Ingrey @PurpleBarnacle @grrrandma This!
(DIR) Post #9nrdF3xIWEs9BNbJlg by snerber@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T23:04:51Z
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@LangCleg @PurpleBarnacle @grrrandma Focus on the Family and the Heritage Foundation are way beyond "right of center."
(DIR) Post #9nrxB8dx94lLeAxUzw by HellaDea@spinster.xyz
2019-10-13T02:48:14Z
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@PurpleBarnacle i dont think they can just kick people off for being republican though... Just like theres trans ppl here. We cant kick them off unless they say something bad.
(DIR) Post #9nsXCDVBdP0TQd2gvg by LangCleg@spinster.xyz
2019-10-13T09:31:49Z
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@snerber @PurpleBarnacle @grrrandma Fair enough. I can't lay claim to detailed knowledge of US groupings - superficial at best.Here in the UK, the picture is so different. We don't have pro and anti genderism tribes that political parties have aligned with or against. The party in government, the Tories, are the right of centre party and were the ones to bring forward proposed reform to self ID. All other main parties are on board. Feminist campaigning, so far, has only succeeded in effecting a wobble in the Tories - so we need to engage with them. All other parties have doubled down.Additionally, we have no religious right with any serious influence here (except in Northern Ireland, whose legislative environment is separate in any case) and no push to restrict abortion laws or roll back homosexual rights so single issue alliances don't have those knock on implications.
(DIR) Post #9nsa7MPVNyj3TJlEpM by STILLTish@spinster.xyz
2019-10-13T10:04:32Z
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@LangCleg @snerber @PurpleBarnacle @grrrandma . Feminist Current did a pod cast where Kathleen Stock discusses this with Natasha Walter, of WOLF. US a& U.K. contexts are different.it is tactically risky, but I think also strategically necessary , in limited ways. The only people hosting women in the House of Lords, so far, are on the (UK) right...we used to say Conservatives in the U.K. weâre not unlike the Democrats...they have gone a farther right now but still not like the Republicans. Canât see any criticism of the House of Lords consulting Jess Bradley (mentioned in Hansard) & a âtransâ attempted rapist from the left wing press. Itâs it a good tactic to isolate women from *any* coverage of the issues because we donât share their politics. A gay (male) activist told me that when he started working to support the miners the homophobia was at levels way exceeding mainstream society. They worked to support the cause *despite* this. They were criticise for this but now itâs a feel good story about how they won them round. âMen are never criticised for making them kinds of alliancesâ đhttps://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/feminist-current/id603245791?i=1000430382726
(DIR) Post #9nsdBzXI9wb5q3IqLw by PurpleBarnacle@spinster.xyz
2019-10-13T10:39:00Z
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I think the issue is, for me at least, forming alliances with groups that specifically lobby against the rights of women and LGBT. So it's not about political differences or a call for purity, I know I'm quite conflicted at times, but certain groups are just a no-no as far as I'm concerned. If that makes sense.@HellaDea
(DIR) Post #9nsksXr3eW7m7NmpAu by PurpleBarnacle@spinster.xyz
2019-10-13T10:50:23Z
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I think I vaguely remember that LGB and T rights are linked, so that some of the LGB rights are also at risk? I don't think I imagined this.@snerber @LangCleg @grrrandma
(DIR) Post #9nv4oRVRhXJqfYv1Hc by MadCityRadiXX@spinster.xyz
2019-10-13T23:53:32Z
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@PurpleBarnacle @LangCleg @grrrandma <<<I was thinking of all those linking to Breitbart>>> Was there a more palatable news outlet with the video? Should we repress the news of the behavior of the anti-WoLF et al side b/c the video isn't on an approved news site? They didn't come off well, and I'm glad a lot of people got to see it. On twitter I saw people were saying things like, How is watching a video on Breitbart allying with the right wing? They did not understand what was the big deal. It was a faction of OUR OWN SIDE (allied with TRAs, I might add) that were doing all the bitching about it.