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(DIR) Post #9npLxYMscUlGkwiCqu by Ladyfat@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T20:41:45Z
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I was determined to not say anything on here about the situation in the US regarding the LGBT SCOTUS case (largely because as a Brit I just don't think ill ever fully understand the political dynamic over in the US) but, does anyone else feel that its all just rather depressing? I'm (UK) left wing by default but obviously feel betrayed by the left's overwhelming support for prostitution, gender ideology etc but I also felt (it appears quite correctly) that any involvement with the (US) right will come back to bite all women (especially lesbians and even bisexuals). I don't want men to be able to be regarded as women (and yes I know the case relies on him being discriminated against as a man) but at the same time I don't want repercussions on lesbians (which there obviously already are!) neither do I want straight women to regarded as little more than wives and baby factories which I know seems to be the far right ideal. It's all a bit like choosing which stick to be beaten with.
(DIR) Post #9npMtIeNDTvanuQj9E by AnneBevan@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T20:52:08Z
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@Ladyfat Women have a right to stand up for ourselves. We must not allow ourselves to be silenced for fear of the lies that men will tell about us. This case had to be fought and I fervently hope we win.
(DIR) Post #9npMva7fE28ZZaDbsW by Ladyfat@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T20:52:31Z
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...and obviously I don't support any attacks on anyone verbal or otherwise, I just feel like regardless of what happens women will lose out! and yeah I know its uncharacteristically defeatist but the more I look into the whole case the more I think there is no obvious way for women to "win".
(DIR) Post #9npNB01hCLOyFumLIm by LadySparklePop@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T20:55:23Z
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@Ladyfat I agree that it's a grim situation in the US. As an American, I'm glad that I don't still live there, because it is so polarised that there is simply no middle ground. Trump with his race-baiting, misogynistic, delusional rhetoric and the state of political discourse in general just makes for a toxic and volatile situation. Overall, if this case wins, it effectively ends women's rights, which are already hanging by a thread in many states (hence many male champions in womens and girls sports, gender neutral bathrooms, etc ).In the US, major SCOTUS decisions are the law. Roe v Wade made abortion legal. Obergefell made same sex marriage legal. Brown v Board of Education made segregation illegal, etc. If Title VII is found to protect transgender people as well, it's over for women.
(DIR) Post #9npNBDxxN2jHUN8YPw by Ladyfat@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T20:55:25Z
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Oh I obviously agree that we do have to stand up for ourselves, but ahhhh like I say, I'm just a cynical type and I see repercussions no matter what happens @AnneBevan
(DIR) Post #9npNCiVpHmUEW3gtyy by AthenasWrench@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T20:55:42Z
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@Ladyfat - Feeling the same most of the time sister. Sometimes I am full of so much despair my heart feels like it will break.
(DIR) Post #9npNLO3OifPtfgWnMe by AthenasWrench@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T20:57:17Z
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@AnneBevan @Ladyfat - This is the truth. After I broke my FB silence I feel a real sense of freedom. I no longer give a fuck. It's life or death.
(DIR) Post #9npNu4HwCOXWVNrlWS by Ladyfat@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T21:03:33Z
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There is so much disinformation too within the 'feminist' community at the moment , im not saying lies but more like passing on misinterpreted info. I find it just really as you say GRIM! As you state there is just sooo much at stake and I've always maintained I would never begrudge any feminist from using whatever mouthpiece she can and I do stick by that but I think we also need to listen to the concerns of the lesbian community that are feeling betrayed by the anti-LGB side of the alliances (and I don't just mean Cathy Brennan who seemed to go on an attack of pretty much everyone on twitter yesterday, half of which seemed to think she was the trans identified guy who stole her name, as you can imagine such mistakes don't go down well but is indicative of the confusion from nearly everywhere). as for the rest of the US political system like I say I can't begin to understand it, the mess over here is quite bad enough! @LadySparklePop
(DIR) Post #9npO35CGBt97veVcmW by Ladyfat@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T21:05:10Z
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I'm really trying to be (quite uncharacteristically) diplomatic about the whole thing and it really comes from a place of just complete concern for all women, I just think there are so many people right now on both left and right that will happily fuck us over. @AthenasWrench
(DIR) Post #9npONqsGdWSdad3qRE by LiseMeitner@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T21:08:54Z
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We need to make it clear to everyone that women's rights are not conservative or liberal, they're >basic human rights< that apply to all women and girls. Women of all political, ethnic, religious and economic backgrounds should be joining together under this common cause. Men will cast aspersions on us anyway, no matter how pure our politics, so fuck what they think and say. @AthenasWrench @Ladyfat
(DIR) Post #9npOS3DsfOEl2xAmDw by AthenasWrench@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T21:09:41Z
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@Ladyfat - Men claiming to be left hate us, men on the right hate us. The left says women must centre men or we are exiled and no platformed. The left wants women to be sex workers and tell the en their porn is empowering. The right wants us to be silent Stepford wives. Maybe we need to stop listening to either groups and deal with reality - we are being eased systematically by transgender ideology. We are losing everything and this will impact generations and generations of women and girls. We need to be warriors and fight and if that means using some on the right so be it. Maybe one day the left will start to give a shit. I am never concerned women are going to turn to the right, or become right wing. Women are not stupid. We know who are enemies are.
(DIR) Post #9npOaZmXUrgmLLRuYC by AthenasWrench@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T21:11:13Z
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@Ladyfat - Men claiming to be left hate us, men on the right hate us. The left says women must centre men or we are exiled and no platformed. The left wants women to be sex workers and tell the men their porn is empowering. The right wants us to be silent Stepford wives. Maybe we need to stop listening to either groups and deal with reality - we are being erased systematically by transgender ideology. We are losing everything and this impacts generations and generation of women and girls. We need to be warriors and fight and if that means using some on the right so be it. Maybe one day the left will start to give a shit. I am never concerned women are going to turn to the right, or become right wing. Women are not stupid. We know who are enemies are.
(DIR) Post #9npObjnljFSBi0ZuSm by Ladyfat@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T21:11:26Z
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And if that wasn't bad enough I made the terrible mistake on twitter of essentially saying that I've found Mumsnet a bit snobby and London-centric when I visited it years ago. So I guess I'm just in a funny mood. (still maintain it on the whole though shh)
(DIR) Post #9npOi6xKYSnvG35chs by LadySparklePop@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T21:12:35Z
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@Ladyfat It is profoundly shocking and disappointing that they have lumped the transgender case in with 2 gay rights cases because they are vastly different. 2 gay men were fired for being gay. That is blatant discrimination and it is wrong and surely already illegal? But the other case is where a man decided he was a woman and started wearing dresses to work, was asked to stop, refused and got fired. On its face it seems wrong, but if this is ruled as discrimination, that will open the floodgates for trans identifying males to take over everything women have. It is a massively important case that will decide the trajectory of trans rights in the US.
(DIR) Post #9npOq1CVpu67j1xfOq by LadySparklePop@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T21:14:00Z
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@Ladyfat It is profoundly shocking and disappointing that they have lumped the transgender case in with 2 gay rights cases because they are vastly different. 2 gay men were fired for being gay. That is blatant discrimination and it is wrong and surely already illegal? But the other case is where a man decided he was a woman and started wearing dresses to work, was asked to stop, refused and got fired. Keep in mind that this funeral home had gendered uniforms. If this is ruled as discrimination, that will open the floodgates for trans identifying males to take over everything women have. It is a massively important case that will decide the trajectory of trans rights in the US.
(DIR) Post #9npOsOs4njgpiVXR5s by AthenasWrench@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T21:14:26Z
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@Ladyfat * who our enemies are
(DIR) Post #9npOtbrzxRBuJz4vsu by LadySparklePop@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T21:14:34Z
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@Ladyfat It is profoundly shocking and disappointing that they have lumped the transgender case in with 2 gay rights cases because they are vastly different. 2 gay men were fired for being gay. That is blatant discrimination and it is wrong and surely already illegal? But the other case is where a man decided he was a woman and started wearing dresses to work, was asked to stop, refused and got fired. Keep in mind that this funeral home has male/female uniforms. If this is ruled as discrimination, that will open the floodgates for trans identifying males to take over everything women have. It is a massively important case that will decide the trajectory of trans rights in the US.
(DIR) Post #9npOwBw6ppY4l4ETVQ by AthenasWrench@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T21:15:06Z
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@LiseMeitner @Ladyfat š
(DIR) Post #9npP2MJj9TQ0gwDjM0 by AnneBevan@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T21:16:14Z
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@Ladyfat All the rules of misogyny. Men blame women. We can't stop them. We can laugh at them.
(DIR) Post #9npP9dHWTcdDKheq24 by Jennifer_Lee@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T21:17:33Z
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Totally agree. @LiseMeitner @AthenasWrench @Ladyfat
(DIR) Post #9npPKe5PpDm10wFJU8 by Ladyfat@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T21:19:33Z
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I think it is that duplicity that worries me. its all such manipulation. I feel like the right is using the GC movement for its own purposes but at least the right want to engage. What a choice. Some GC people (certainly not all) don't care about what happens to the LGB side as long as the T gets taken down but the grouping of the cases means what? Its just potentially disastrous. Sorry im properly miserable. obviously time to step away from the screen. We can't afford to lose rights! @LadySparklePop
(DIR) Post #9npPNhiyksilAND4tM by Ladyfat@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T21:20:06Z
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its truth well said. @LiseMeitner @AthenasWrench
(DIR) Post #9npPiAi8h54CrFZpGS by Mrkhvoice@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T21:23:48Z
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@Ladyfat @LadySparklePop I think the questions you're asking show that you're interested in taking part in a dialogue. This is so important as many people have taken a hard right/wrong line on this. Don't despair. I imagine this is how you arrived here in the first place. Continue to allow your questioning, and embrace the answers you find.
(DIR) Post #9npQ7vKcUqAAglr5pA by LiseMeitner@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T21:28:26Z
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I understand, I'm upset as an American- everything is a giant mess and we're screwed either way. I may be wrong but it seems to me that even within LGB the G doesn't give a fuck about the L at ALL, and lesbians are being shit on by the same orgs they set up to represent them which is why they're using whatever platforms available to get their voices heard. @Ladyfat @LadySparklePop
(DIR) Post #9npQSIi1I0Kiz5W796 by Ladyfat@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T21:32:08Z
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Thanks Claire, like I say I don't judge any feminist but there is just so much 'disinformation' around that I can see how easily ANY of us could do something with the best of intentions but end up being ridiculed by the people we were aiming to protect. The more I look into it the more complicated it becomes, but I will keep asking questions @Mrkhvoice @LadySparklePop
(DIR) Post #9npQW7MFR0jswC9Zc8 by LadySparklePop@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T21:32:50Z
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@Ladyfat I agree completely. Our only hope is a split decision. I feel like the fact that they lumped them all together at all shows a level of ignorance that is deeply worrying. Gay and lesbian rights should be the exact same as everyone else. I find it abhorrent that it's even still up for debate whether or not they can be fired for their sexuality. But the transgender case is a completely different issue. This man is a Rhys McKinnon. He's done nothing other than claim that he's now a woman. If he wins, American women will quickly become gender critical and it won't matter. It takes years for cases to get to the Supreme Court and the US will be a very different place very quickly. It is a travesty of justice that these cases are being tried together, but I believe a split decision is possible, so don't despair. We have to believe that despite all the awful shit Americans have done in the past 4 years or so, justice for all will prevail. :blob_cat_snuggle:
(DIR) Post #9npR16ZSPVjJTS6kPA by Ladyfat@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T21:38:26Z
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I'm going to sleep now but I promise to read anything that people write on the cases tomorrow. I REALLY want to listen to your opinions whatever you think. Night night!
(DIR) Post #9npRuHtG1jGaVWgMim by LadySparklePop@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T21:48:23Z
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@LiseMeitner @Ladyfat Well, the more I read about it, the more obvious it becomes that what has happened is the transgender case has been "snuck in" and is being considered as a sexual orientation discrimination case like the other 2, when it is nothing of the sort. I know I'm preaching to the choir, but if SCOTUS decides them as a group, then it essentially says it's illegal to discriminate against transgender people (regardless of whether or not they are post op, which we know 98% are not), which means that men all over the US can put on dresses and be allowed to compete in women's sports, colonise womens safe spaces and take away every single sex based protection that women have. I was thinking that they could say sexual orientation cannot be discriminated against, but transgender is not covered by Title VII, as is it not a sexual preference. I'm beginning to see how unlikely that is because they aren't considering or presenting the case based on those points. They are presenting a sexual orientation case for a trans identifying male.I feel like I have had the wind knocked out of my sails quite quickly. Nevermind about not despairing. It is well and truly a mess.
(DIR) Post #9npSE07hnGulCCq9tg by Jodierad@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T21:51:57Z
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@LadySparklePop Hey. The first article I read was so wrong about this case that I had to read a few more and found out that the transgender case is not lumped in with the gay ones. In fact they separated them because they thought that the trans case had a higher likelihood of succeeding without the gay case. Here's my source:https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/10/supreme-court-lgbtq/599608/?yptr=yahoo. So the good news is the gay case can pass and the trans one can fail but I think that is unlikely because it's a conservative supreme court but who knows? One of the things I hate about this case is the misinformation around it. Trans and gay activists act like the trans case will help gay people and will help with the strict dress codes surrounding women but that's not true. As mentioned above they separated the cases so the trans case will only help trans people. In the second case he is not arguing to lax the dress code he wants to dress "like a woman" because he is one, so it doesn't actually challenge dress codes for women. Also it goes without saying that conflating sex and gender identity can only hurt women. So the way this case is painted (as heralding for gay and women's rights ) is wrong. @Ladyfat
(DIR) Post #9npTGmwFN3a17vNEEi by LadySparklePop@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T22:03:41Z
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@Jodierad Damn... It gives me mixed feelings for sure. On one hand, it is massively relieving that they are separated, but on the other, it's devastating that the trans case is seen as a better case. :blobnotlike: I totally agree that the misinformation is ruining things. I find it shocking that any GC person could support the trans case on any level. It will set the groundwork for the erasure of all women's rights and it will open the floodgates for lawsuits around the country which will refer back to this case and rule in favor of trans people every time. @Ladyfat
(DIR) Post #9npUWYwJHomKIUUMnQ by CrackerjackCailleach@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T22:17:42Z
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@LadySparklePop -- "I feel like the fact that they lumped them all together at all shows a level of ignorance that is deeply worrying." Exactly! I watched the House hearings on the Equality Act (in the spring maybe?) and Nadler (and others) were confusing sex and gender. They don't even know what the words they are using mean!@Ladyfat
(DIR) Post #9npVNVQx3FOalw4BDE by CrackerjackCailleach@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T22:27:18Z
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@Ladyfat Going back to your OP, and the rest too, yes, everything you say makes sense. The thing that is dizzying to me in the US is that people who are really smart and informed and "believe in" climate change and vaccines are completely passive and snowed with this issue. I see friends posting something about abortion rights and five minutes later about how men are women if they say they are. "Choosing which stick to be beaten with" is sadly apt, but to me it's like whether it's the stick of silence or the stick of ostracism within my own cohortānot even which cohort hates women in which way, but how to navigate my own social group.My heart breaks at what my friends say. There is just no space to even discuss openly. I have told my therapist what I see and was even carrying fear there, though she was fine. I actually educated her ea lot because she was one of the well-meaning uninformed. I was talking to her using he word "women" for breast cancer patients and joked, not sure I can say that, and she said it's ok, you can say "women with breast cancer" to me. That's how bad it is.I have a grad student who is writing about women's experience, and I am afraid she'll get attacked.I am waiting for a significant moment in my workplace. This is all being done casually and informally, but there will have to be a point where someone questions it. I mean, shouldn't there one a pronoun policy rather than vague ideals about "respect"?
(DIR) Post #9npVu9wpxJWhgwYDui by Jodierad@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T22:33:12Z
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Yeah. The first article I read said that the trans case was for gay and womenās rights as well and didnāt even mention that he was fired for wanting to use the womenās room and forcing people to use his preferred pronouns so I supported his case. It was only after posting on here and hearing from other women what the case was actually about that prompted me to read more articles on it. I donāt think any GC person who supports this case knows the truth about this case and what it could cost. That itās trying to conflate gender identity and sex. I swear the misinformation campaign coming from our politicians and mainstream media on trans issues has made me so angry and cynical @LadySparklePop @Ladyfat
(DIR) Post #9npWUggrhJZdfJUwym by Artemis@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T22:39:46Z
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Thereās no such thing as a split decision to slow a train wreck. A 5/4 split is still the law of the land, even if the decision is terrible and there have been many. @LadySparklePop @Ladyfat
(DIR) Post #9npWuU9Ww1bKJGCv9k by LiseMeitner@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T22:44:28Z
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You're right. My post missed the heart of the matter@LadySparklePop @Ladyfat
(DIR) Post #9npX81k3MYKqFUkR4C by LiseMeitner@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T22:46:51Z
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I feel like I missed your point so I removed it.@Ladyfat @AthenasWrench
(DIR) Post #9npX83ga8QkMHJ8gvw by LadySparklePop@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T22:46:49Z
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@Artemis @Ladyfat As I already clarified, I meant split in that they split the transgender case from the 2 sexual orientation cases.
(DIR) Post #9npXAMY0yhrVM9EMvw by Jennifer_Lee@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T22:47:18Z
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And where in all this madness is the respect that is due to women?@CrackerjackCailleach @Ladyfat
(DIR) Post #9npXaxuifqpYm5XHlI by LadySparklePop@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T22:52:05Z
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@LiseMeitner @Ladyfat @AthenasWrench I wish you hadn't done that. I don't think you missed the point at all. For me, the conversation evolved organically. I started out seeing it one way then realised it was actually not what I thought and shared those opinions. If you take all my posts as a whole, they are a bit "all over the place". That's the great thing about Spinster. We can all talk and debate and share information and learn together. :blob_cat_snuggle:
(DIR) Post #9npXgWByeh2AXEFvQ8 by FemaleXyz@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T22:53:06Z
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I couldnāt sleep and went on twitter. Big mistake. Just seen the open fight between Linda Bellos and Cathy Brennan over this case following video that Lilly Maynard posted of people shouting at Linda Bellos outside the court. Iām so confused, disheartened etc. š¤¦āāļø@Ladyfat @LiseMeitner @AthenasWrench
(DIR) Post #9npXuuJxk3QrQIqthw by Artemis@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T22:55:43Z
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Iām not a lawyer.. does that happen at the SCOTUS level? @LadySparklePop @Ladyfat
(DIR) Post #9npY3y1zJiz7XIlTiT by LadySparklePop@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T22:57:20Z
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@Artemis @Ladyfat According to @Jodierad it already has, because apparently the trans case is seen as stronger than the sexual orientation discrimination cases. :blob_sweat:
(DIR) Post #9npY8TJKxfdhhu1lzc by LiseMeitner@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T22:58:11Z
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thank you- so kind if you to say that ;) I just thought it was a distraction from the discussion of how scotus might rule which is HUGE. I can post my stuff elsewhere š @LadySparklePop @Ladyfat @AthenasWrench
(DIR) Post #9npZMzm59vR0OpxiQi by AthenasWrench@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T23:11:58Z
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@FemaleXyz @LiseMeitner - That was my morning too.
(DIR) Post #9npaYV3LJ5vmY05LVI by LiseMeitner@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T23:25:17Z
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Cathy Brennan is an asshole who lies, intentionally misrepresents what people have said and knowingly makes incorrect inferences. She's playing for the other team and actively working to undermine women and lesbians. https://mobile.twitter.com/FinTechEsq/status/1182750872733921280https://mobile.twitter.com/FinTechEsq/status/1182750872733921280@AthenasWrench @FemaleXyz
(DIR) Post #9npadjhGHyNTPdFnhw by LiseMeitner@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T23:26:15Z
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pardon my double posting of the link to Brennan@AthenasWrench @FemaleXyz
(DIR) Post #9npb2jP6VyptkAgBbE by CrackerjackCailleach@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T23:23:27Z
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I know, right?! @Jennifer_Lee @Ladyfat
(DIR) Post #9npcf9hpGzByHBK3AO by Lemondrizzle@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T23:48:56Z
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@LiseMeitner @AthenasWrench @FemaleXyzWhy?
(DIR) Post #9npdDxh3vUpL9jYua8 by Hildegarde_de_Bingen@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T23:55:12Z
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@LiseMeitner @AthenasWrench @FemaleXyz are you sure you have the correct "Cathy"? There's a "Trans Woman" who used Brennan's name to make mischief on Twitter.
(DIR) Post #9npdLtz9b5dVyJoJ5U by AthenasWrench@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T23:56:39Z
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@Hildegarde_de_Bingen @LiseMeitner @FemaleXyz - The tweet are from the real Cathy. There is no way to mistake her for the creepy bearded clown who stole her name.
(DIR) Post #9npdO7SIUFLqKNV128 by MacGueurle@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T23:57:02Z
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@Hildegarde_de_Bingen Ohh yeah! Isn't he a creepy stalker too? @LiseMeitner @AthenasWrench @FemaleXyz
(DIR) Post #9npdQZYEzwQC2pRuOu by MacGueurle@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T23:57:28Z
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@AthenasWrench Ok cuz that guy is a doozy š @Hildegarde_de_Bingen @LiseMeitner @FemaleXyz
(DIR) Post #9npdSDlCzFOv2aIhm4 by AthenasWrench@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T23:57:46Z
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@MacGueurle @Hildegarde_de_Bingen @LiseMeitner @FemaleXyz - He is. He's the one that tried to attack Julie Bindel.
(DIR) Post #9npdU7bipnvUXKlnN2 by MacGueurle@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T23:58:08Z
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@AthenasWrench Yes! That's him! @Hildegarde_de_Bingen @LiseMeitner @FemaleXyz
(DIR) Post #9npdXu9qmWGRywXM3M by AthenasWrench@spinster.xyz
2019-10-11T23:58:48Z
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@MacGueurle @Hildegarde_de_Bingen @LiseMeitner @FemaleXyz - It was so surreal seeing all the media reports of this guy whining, full beard. Like anyone is going to take him seriously as a victim.
(DIR) Post #9npdhtnGzSb7kSk4wK by MacGueurle@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T00:00:35Z
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@AthenasWrench And it seems to me he doxxed her, her children and all? Or am I imagining things here? He's a sick bastard. @Hildegarde_de_Bingen @LiseMeitner @FemaleXyz
(DIR) Post #9npdmUA7iNcjhZcKzA by LiseMeitner@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T00:01:27Z
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I know there's an imposter but I'm pretty sure that's her. Her pinned post is about the imposter @AthenasWrench @Hildegarde_de_Bingen @FemaleXyz
(DIR) Post #9npdmyvJLVC96bvRhY by MadCityRadiXX@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T00:01:31Z
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@Hildegarde_de_Bingen @LiseMeitner @AthenasWrench @FemaleXyz @FinTechEsq is the real Cathy Brennan. @TownTattle is the guy who took her name and attacked Julie Bindel.
(DIR) Post #9npegvkcKOrNU0bO9Q by Hildegarde_de_Bingen@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T00:11:39Z
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@AthenasWrench @LiseMeitner @FemaleXyz so, the Cathy Brennan who launched the Pussy Church of Witchcraft, got it Tax exempt status as a religion? Just asking for clarification. There are so many trolls and parody sites out there, it's hard to be sure of anything. I also hesitate to start demonizing any feminist -- at least on the internet. It's a tactic that only creates drama and division at a time when we really, really need solidarity.
(DIR) Post #9npfe1FnVnI9dSMVns by FemaleXyz@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T00:22:18Z
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No idea what you are on about re witchcraft. ???@Hildegarde_de_Bingen @AthenasWrench @LiseMeitner
(DIR) Post #9npfy87PhMWyiZ1vMW by LiseMeitner@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T00:25:58Z
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Cathy Brennan called Linda Bellos a homophobe and shes attacking WoLF. and no that isn't a parody. Good for Brennan starting the church but that doesn't excuse all the harm she's causing @Hildegarde_de_Bingen @AthenasWrench @FemaleXyz
(DIR) Post #9npgDjmzvDMvtYvHvs by Hildegarde_de_Bingen@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T00:28:48Z
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@LiseMeitner @AthenasWrench @FemaleXyz Well if she did that, she's delusional. Doesn't make any sense.
(DIR) Post #9npgujXwhTQ3auNubY by LiseMeitner@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T00:36:29Z
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Exactly. She always been volatile but her words and behavior are increasingly in defense of TRAs@Hildegarde_de_Bingen @AthenasWrench @FemaleXyz
(DIR) Post #9npgycQr5pwgghv9Vo by Hildegarde_de_Bingen@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T00:37:16Z
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@LiseMeitner @AthenasWrench @FemaleXyz Well, that's disappointing.
(DIR) Post #9nph6UxKlzt1okryt6 by LiseMeitner@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T00:38:41Z
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Yes it is@Hildegarde_de_Bingen @AthenasWrench @FemaleXyz
(DIR) Post #9npzAD4R0ku6gE6u92 by thebewilderness@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T04:01:02Z
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A proper decision would kick it to congress. The law does not address transgenderism at all. If congress wants to write transgender protection laws they can do so. There is precedent on dress codes. There is precedent on sexual orientation. If they are the strict constructionists they pretend to be they will uphold Title VII as written. @Ladyfat
(DIR) Post #9nq82seNQydguMVBcu by HellaDea@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T05:40:34Z
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@Ladyfat i feel the same. I wish there was a womxxns party
(DIR) Post #9nqA1ytqudopuSRJKq by Ladyfat@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T06:02:46Z
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Am I correct in saying that Title VII does not at this time cover sexual orientation or gender identity but there are some states that do have laws that cover such things? But itās an overriding law for all states that they seek? @thebewilderness
(DIR) Post #9nqAOCb2fZYWlAEkKW by Ladyfat@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T06:06:50Z
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Yes, now this seems to be a common trait, even now I see blue ticks on twitter and Instagram saying āwe must stand by our trans siblings, everyone should be free to love who they loveā well yes but what the feck does that have to do with a cross dresser in a funeral home? @CrackerjackCailleach @LadySparklePop
(DIR) Post #9nqAzFjzwQYbE75ph2 by Ladyfat@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T06:13:31Z
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But from what Iāve read the case is specifically worded that the litigant asserts he is discriminated against because he is male not because he claims to be female. Itās very cleverly/craftily done so that to argue that he shouldnāt be able to express his āgender identityā is to argue that women also shouldnāt be able to complain about dress codes that for instance say they should wear skirts and heels. @Jodierad @LadySparklePop
(DIR) Post #9nqBIGkSQ6SvqxNLay by Ladyfat@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T06:16:58Z
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Yes the lack of availability of debate is terrifying, people wholeheartedly buy into it but forget that women are still being fudged over ! @CrackerjackCailleach
(DIR) Post #9nqBMFyVEnSoc2qYHQ by Ladyfat@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T06:17:41Z
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Good question. As usual our futures rely on what men agree and a man? @Jennifer_Lee @CrackerjackCailleach
(DIR) Post #9nqBZfFwYOBEmmOiKu by Jennifer_Lee@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T06:20:05Z
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I wish the employers would just come out and say "Your Honor, we fired him because he's just a crazy, narcissistic, delusional fucking ASSHOLE and we couldn't take his shit for one more minute!!" They would probably win the case. @Ladyfat @Jodierad @LadySparklePop
(DIR) Post #9nqBmkUAQERKlkI1bM by Chris@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T06:22:29Z
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@LadySparklePop @Ladyfat I haven't read everything on this case yet - does it lump this case with 2 gay rights cases? Is there a link for this?
(DIR) Post #9nqC0QvRwU889vZmrI by Chris@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T06:24:56Z
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@Jodierad @LadySparklePop @Ladyfat And "LGBT" sources - really T sources
(DIR) Post #9nqC3ZJbCsid30MoQy by Ladyfat@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T06:25:29Z
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Haha yes I think a lot of worry could be solved by them saying āI just found him creepyā Jennifer_Lee @Jodierad @LadySparklePop
(DIR) Post #9nqC89KTFWADtwxWDo by Chris@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T06:26:20Z
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@LadySparklePop @Ladyfat I see all over "this is an attack on LGBTQ people that has to be fought"No, it is an attack on WOMEN. And stop using LGB.
(DIR) Post #9nqCyWbPxs1x8mrOvw by Ladyfat@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T06:35:48Z
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Itās the lumping of it all together itās been done deliberately, and Iām not saying it hasnāt and cannot be split I mean that the media and societal conflation of the three cases has already happened. What is good for one case is not good for all three but some people will argue wholeheartedly that it is. @Chris @LadySparklePop
(DIR) Post #9nqDF9lK8ZYZE4QN0q by Chris@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T06:38:49Z
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@Ladyfat @LadySparklePop The T has gotten everywhere by using and confusing people that it has something to do with LGB, "gender"/women, and children - when it is harming/will harm all these other groups.
(DIR) Post #9nqDmxP8adDSkEAFQe by Ladyfat@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T06:44:55Z
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āHe constituted a health and safety hazardā covers most things nowadays , or is that just in Europe? š@Jodierad @LadySparklePop
(DIR) Post #9nqJcreXibo1jfwNcG by Jodierad@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T07:50:20Z
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@Chris Truly. I know that when everyone emerges from this fog they will want to blame LGB people and honestly I canāt be too harsh on them because this is being pushed by all of the mainstream well established LGBT activist groups from Stonewall to Human Rights Campaign to even the National Center for Lesbian Rights. The only push back Iāve seen from any established LGB activist/media is AfterEllen. @LadySparklePop @Ladyfat
(DIR) Post #9nqTpf1QzQg9rtO8hc by Jodierad@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T09:44:41Z
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@Ladyfat That's what I initially thought too but they are also arguing that sex includes gender identity because he wants to be able to use the women's bathroom and female pronouns. This thread on twitter really breaks it down: https://mobile.twitter.com/KProtein19/status/1181608220051300354@LadySparklePop
(DIR) Post #9nqaxQOpwISmVrz4E4 by blackilocks@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T11:04:31Z
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Indeed it is, none of it will do anything for women, erecting laws doesn't mean people will stick to laws if public sentiment doesn't change. For example OK let's say it passes, the interviewer is a lesphobe, just toss the resume aside, citing incompatibility, that's it. How do you know why you didn't get selected? You can sense it during the interview but you won't have proof. Same for just firing you, someone can force you into a corner, without being obvious about it. @Ladyfat
(DIR) Post #9nqdHanLCQrqSABqKG by Ladyfat@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T11:30:35Z
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Yes, you make such a good point. There are always going to be abusers of laws, @blackilocks
(DIR) Post #9nqe1h3oEiDLCrsLmi by Ladyfat@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T11:38:55Z
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Will read thanks @Jodierad @LadySparklePop
(DIR) Post #9nqeeZ1g2eULa9Pg3M by MacGueurle@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T11:45:56Z
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@Jennifer_Lee YESSSSS !When is the judgment going to be released? I have a feeling you guys will cringe but I do hope for the best possible outcome. But from reading in here what was presented and how the goalposts shifted during the proceedures (TRA tactic right there when you try to discuss with them) this was a real mess...@Ladyfat @Jodierad @LadySparklePop
(DIR) Post #9nqelXR8LjXQgCe6i0 by Ladyfat@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T11:47:12Z
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About next June apparently!@MacGueurle @Jennifer_Lee @Jodierad @LadySparklePop
(DIR) Post #9nqetkAOu3amThjQnI by MacGueurle@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T11:48:41Z
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@Ladyfat OMG Well that means that some of you that have had it up to here can start an immigration process... š³ Let's all move to Iceland, come to think of it. @Jennifer_Lee @Jodierad @LadySparklePop
(DIR) Post #9nqg5hbCNMM3wYX4ca by Jodierad@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T12:02:03Z
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@Ladyfat No problem. The article I linked also makes it a point to mention that the main dispute is over what the word sex means. "This issue was essentially shoved onto the Supreme Courtās doorstep. Lawsuits involving alleged LGBTQ discrimination have proliferated in recent years, and the circuit courts of appeal donāt agree on how to interpret the meaning of sex and the scope of Title VII. ". @LadySparklePop
(DIR) Post #9nqhXScLlmtxXes4X2 by MadCityRadiXX@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T12:18:14Z
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@Hildegarde_de_Bingen @LiseMeitner @AthenasWrench @FemaleXyz @FinTechEsq now suspended.
(DIR) Post #9nqkizGr0PexrW0Kps by VikingStar@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T12:53:58Z
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hahahaha. Comic relief much needed over this pivotal case. If he gets what he wants then women essentially lose all our legal rights in the US( ilive in Canada but it will be the same here).@Jennifer_Lee @Ladyfat @Jodierad @LadySparklePop
(DIR) Post #9nqmq2pAONq6onXxqq by AthenasWrench@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T13:17:39Z
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@MadCityRadiXX @Hildegarde_de_Bingen @LiseMeitner @FemaleXyz - What happened?
(DIR) Post #9nqnSEImAQxDQ4bX7o by AthenasWrench@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T13:24:33Z
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@MadCityRadiXX @Hildegarde_de_Bingen @LiseMeitner @FemaleXyz - What's odd about this whole thing is CB gave her website to WoLF.
(DIR) Post #9nqpATrblnhGNaYrQG by MadCityRadiXX@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T13:43:44Z
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@AthenasWrench @Hildegarde_de_Bingen @LiseMeitner @FemaleXyz tes, i remember
(DIR) Post #9nqpCVvX4NhdMFMm24 by MadCityRadiXX@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T13:44:08Z
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@AthenasWrench @Hildegarde_de_Bingen @LiseMeitner @FemaleXyz yes, i remember
(DIR) Post #9nqq4fh6yFQrHwRflI by AnneBevan@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T13:53:54Z
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@LiseMeitner @AthenasWrench @FemaleXyz You'll find that Cathy's lying isn't lying according to Catholic doctrine. It's "mental reservations" - where anything said in defence of the faith is AOK.
(DIR) Post #9nqqHSx9eaS5XL3BMe by MadCityRadiXX@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T13:56:13Z
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@AthenasWrench @Hildegarde_de_Bingen @LiseMeitner @FemaleXyz I have no idea
(DIR) Post #9nrBgemIvKfqUKpPc0 by LiseMeitner@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T17:56:04Z
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Wow that's weird@MadCityRadiXX @Hildegarde_de_Bingen @AthenasWrench @FemaleXyz
(DIR) Post #9nrBpY0XSuSG62j3nU by LiseMeitner@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T17:57:41Z
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Then why is she attacking WoLF??@AthenasWrench @MadCityRadiXX @Hildegarde_de_Bingen @FemaleXyz
(DIR) Post #9nrC1mnKJVs3QrNj4y by CrackerjackCailleach@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T17:59:54Z
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I find "free to be who they are" especially weird. That's what, clothing, hairstyle, surgery? How many of us women get to be" who we really are"> @Ladyfat @LadySparklePop
(DIR) Post #9nrDHHoXMkszw3u2ZE by CrackerjackCailleach@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T18:13:54Z
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I see Cathy Brennan (fintechesq) is suspended. @LiseMeitner @AthenasWrench @MadCityRadiXX @Hildegarde_de_Bingen @FemaleXyz
(DIR) Post #9nrDXTCIoKrRsDjgMS by LiseMeitner@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T18:16:50Z
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That's wild I wonder what happened@CrackerjackCailleach @AthenasWrench @MadCityRadiXX @Hildegarde_de_Bingen @FemaleXyz
(DIR) Post #9nrOveX3Q3YLTPAyoK by Hildegarde_de_Bingen@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T20:24:27Z
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@LiseMeitner @CrackerjackCailleach @AthenasWrench @MadCityRadiXX @FemaleXyz The same thing that derails us time after time: we turn on each other.Nobody can be pure enough.
(DIR) Post #9nrPwBTZ2FPHbIMR8K by LiseMeitner@spinster.xyz
2019-10-12T20:35:43Z
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Yeah but Cathy has always been a nut@Hildegarde_de_Bingen @CrackerjackCailleach @AthenasWrench @MadCityRadiXX @FemaleXyz