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(DIR) Post #9nm3NcsKebDAbSE9sO by fribbledom@mastodon.social
2019-10-10T06:29:22Z
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If you're running an adblock-blocker on your website, have you ever measured how many people actually turn it off and come back? And how many people you'll lose as visitors forever?I'm really curious if someone collected data in that regard.
(DIR) Post #9nm46YEckmqDF54mmG by gaeel@stream.void.garden
2019-10-10T06:38:04Z
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@fribbledom I have a feeling the way they see it, if you're blocking ads, then you're wasting their bandwidthI don't know if it's true or not, it can be argued that there's a chance you'd share the link with people who don't block addOn the other hand, there's a lot of internet out there, I'm not too fussed about missing out on the bits that want to track me and shove ads into my face
(DIR) Post #9nm4VXVsZe24FA3wEC by Lesbiologist@mastodon.social
2019-10-10T06:42:03Z
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@fribbledom It may depend on the site. Some of them, like the small nonprofits, do get me to turn mine off.
(DIR) Post #9nm5RkfvnNTfrRWQS0 by dyske@kawen.space
2019-10-10T06:30:52.813203Z
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@fribbledomcan they even collect the data if adblock blocks Google Analytics?
(DIR) Post #9nm5RlNt9wdi3m5Wy0 by fribbledom@mastodon.social
2019-10-10T06:52:35Z
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@dyskeGoogle Analytics isn't the only way to measure that. I was thinking classic web-server logs / piwik. I guess the later may also be blocked by some tools, though.
(DIR) Post #9nm5ax6CyPBH00CSXo by BadAtNames@mastodon.technology
2019-10-10T06:54:10Z
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@fribbledom @dyske even when self hosted piwik is blocked by my adblocker too
(DIR) Post #9nm5b26kLpaAX7USZs by BadAtNames@mastodon.technology
2019-10-10T06:53:56Z
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@fribbledom @dyske piwik is blocked by my adblocker too
(DIR) Post #9nm6hIEXPQOYEngRGq by dredmorbius@mastodon.cloud
2019-10-10T07:06:37Z
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@gaeel As the saying goes, exposure doesn't pay the bills -- you can die of exposure.But ... in publishing, there is revenue-generating exposure an non-revenue-generating reads. Point has long been that only a fraction of readership will pay, or respond to ads. The _rest_ of that readership however *does* represent attention and focus, and explicitly denying that access may well hurt more than help in a world where attention itself is scarce.@fribbledom
(DIR) Post #9nm6tZzfCfGQnKaJsW by dredmorbius@mastodon.cloud
2019-10-10T07:08:50Z
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@gaeel My general read is that we still really don't understand publishing or the fundamental models, and that the usual go-tos (advertising, subscriptions) are at best a small case. Micropayments strike me as exceedingly misguided, and something closer to a universal content syndication / broadband tax / universal income / superbundling / mechanical payments is a large part of the viable solution.Thee's also patronage and shingle-hanging, among others.@fribbledom
(DIR) Post #9nm83KB8xPN2b0AIJE by juliank@mastodon.social
2019-10-10T07:21:48Z
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@fribbledom Is that still a thing much? It seems to have shifted extremely to "please buy our plus subscription to continue reading" in the past few months.
(DIR) Post #9nm8jNXGrn6XAZZHF2 by Nikolai_Kingsley@dobbs.town
2019-10-10T07:29:23Z
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@fribbledom someone must have stats for the number of people who browse to the site, see the "consider disabling your adblocker" banner and then disappear.
(DIR) Post #9nmAGQaCepy28BGKSu by guillaume@aleph.land
2019-10-10T07:46:29Z
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@fribbledomI heard 10% a few months ago but I can't find the source anymore.I can only find this:https://www.networkworld.com/article/3060913/sites-that-prevent-ad-blockers-lose-readers.html
(DIR) Post #9nmEACtJ3C2lkHUFNI by mike@chaos.social
2019-10-10T08:29:30Z
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@fribbledom This is from 2016, so it is very much outdated. Nevertheless, it shows some bounce rates from back then https://techerati.com/the-stack-archive/world/2016/04/21/sites-that-block-adblockers-seem-to-be-suffering/
(DIR) Post #9nmExudbBqkXc3qDmS by Makdaam@mastodon.social
2019-10-10T08:39:13Z
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@fribbledom @dyske piwik respects DNT and doesn't even show users who have that header set. I think adblocking means you don't show up in piwik. I'm not sure how many web developers are aware of access logs, let alone ask their hosting company for them (big portals hopefully being an exception here).
(DIR) Post #9nmFqMw6C3VZ14SfK4 by r000t@infosec.exchange
2019-10-10T08:49:04Z
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@fribbledom I've heard "We don't want to waste bandwidth or CPU on those visitors" a few times.
(DIR) Post #9nmJ96OKEL2r4IHw36 by gray@social.privacytools.io
2019-10-10T09:26:06Z
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@fribbledom Neowin brought this in around July and a lively forum discussion ensued. It certainly forced a large number of people away (I certainly use it a lot less). Thread if you're even remotely interested: https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1385092-anti-adblock-alert/
(DIR) Post #9nmOliUhVqo017VDlI by fribbledom@mastodon.social
2019-10-10T10:29:02Z
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@multiple_creaturesWell, of course... I'm still interested in the figures, though.
(DIR) Post #9nmr7lQY5NmaCWrUe0 by rwa@sozialwolke.net
2019-10-10T15:20:48Z
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@fribbledom I don't have any ads on my websites.
(DIR) Post #9nmvc3wiCJXE8kboES by isagalaev@mastodon.social
2019-10-10T16:37:06Z
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@fribbledom in my experience, marketing people are never interested in scientific research into their job-preserving myths. (Oops, looks like I gave away my bias here inadvertently :-) )