Post 9nhlD6cz7RXnt02jIW by octet33@freeradical.zone
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(DIR) Post #9ngy9MD8LPAzItXBQW by yogthos@mastodon.social
2019-10-07T19:37:17Z
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Collapse OS: - Run on minimal and improvised machines.- Interface through improvised means (serial, keyboard, display).- Edit text files.- Compile assembler source files for a wide range of MCUs and CPUs.- Read and write from a wide range of storage devices.- Replicate itself.https://collapseos.org/
(DIR) Post #9ngzsUwUpK1RMzqCH2 by yaaps@banana.dog
2019-10-07T19:56:30Z
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@dirtycommo @ajroach42 @yogthos This is an incredible project 👍
(DIR) Post #9nh8YzRibYNFlrDY4u by jae@m.g3l.org
2019-10-07T21:33:28Z
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@yogthos interesting :D
(DIR) Post #9nhFOuyR4qRYgRfIZM by faun@merveilles.town
2019-10-07T22:50:34Z
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@yogthos No mesh networking?
(DIR) Post #9nhGHqqk704jouGFRw by polychrome@cybre.space
2019-10-07T23:00:19Z
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@yogthos on the one hand I'm pretty sure if civilization collapses, getting a basic computer to work with spare parts would be the last of your worries.On the other hand this project is far too much fun for me to dismiss for rational reasons. :blobowo:
(DIR) Post #9nhGalSAOqOQaMmgUq by suetanvil@mastodon.technology
2019-10-07T23:03:36Z
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@yogthos I'm pretty sure there will be an ample supply of >386 hardware available to run Linux on.
(DIR) Post #9nhLC2nJHxbytnhoWW by dirtycommo@impenetrable.fortress.promo
2019-10-07T22:48:16.861794Z
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@yaaps @yogthos @ajroach42 fuck yeah, awesome :-)
(DIR) Post #9nhLC3eq4wQhZokYxU by yaaps@banana.dog
2019-10-07T23:53:51Z
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@dirtycommo @yogthos @ajroach42 I think the decline in the use of 16 bit microcontrollers in the last 10 years and the paucity of efficient 16 bit designs would probably be an issue an issue if semiconductor technology was restarting by replicating 8 bit designs. A 16 bit CISC design like the 8088 has nearly as many transistors (29k) as a 32 bit RISC design (A6, 35k), so developing 16 bit computing could be a hiccup in recovery unless effort is made to ensure a viable technology is documented. This might be a start...https://user.eng.umd.edu/~blj/RiSC/
(DIR) Post #9nhkmTTK4pouuvpCWO by yogthos@mastodon.social
2019-10-08T04:42:11Z
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@suetanvil realistically yeah, but I think there's value in having a simple and self contained system that's relatively easy to understand and maintain.Life will be pretty different without having the internet at your finger tips.
(DIR) Post #9nhlD6cz7RXnt02jIW by octet33@freeradical.zone
2019-10-08T04:46:12Z
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@yogthos It's about time someone started coding with apocalypse tolerance in mind.
(DIR) Post #9niQlCrcXItNC3GfWi by bamfic@hub.spaz.org
2019-10-08T04:47:15.430298Z
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@polychrome @yogthos That's been my experience. When the shit hits the fan, and you are worried about food, shelter, and water, that's all you have time or energy to think about. Add to that the likelihood of massive civil unrest, violence, and such, and I doubt anyone will have time to fuck with computers.
(DIR) Post #9niQlDIutoj6Yi2T4a by yogthos@mastodon.social
2019-10-08T12:32:32Z
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@bamfic @polychrome to be fair the whole idea is to be planning for collapse so you aren't stuck unprepared :)
(DIR) Post #9niQvf1yfOCtRp65dQ by bamfic@hub.spaz.org
2019-10-08T04:50:02.381234Z
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@yogthos I'm wondering, are you familiar with the work of another famous Dmitri? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Orlov_(writer)
(DIR) Post #9niQvfL7WDWGPC3NTM by yogthos@mastodon.social
2019-10-08T12:34:28Z
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@bamfic oh I've heard of him, but haven't actually read his book. Any good?
(DIR) Post #9niXMsv3jlsW48E4I4 by grainloom@cybre.space
2019-10-08T11:19:50Z
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@bamfic @yogthos @polychrome Then again, wouldn't it be nice to be able to have a little computer to help with organizing? Or do math and stuff?
(DIR) Post #9niXMyMXV1pYwo7aJk by grainloom@cybre.space
2019-10-08T12:42:59Z
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@bamfic @yogthos @polychrome Eg. try watching a few old episodes of the BBC's computer education stuff. It's from an era where personal computers were just beginning to become popular and it's very interesting to hear the stories of how computerization gave businesses an edge.My theory is that even if we went full Fallout-style-post-apocalyptic, the communities that could maintain their communication infrastructure and use computers to plan and optimize workflows would have an edge over those who don't.
(DIR) Post #9niXN25fdgiKVeGAa0 by grainloom@cybre.space
2019-10-08T12:44:03Z
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@bamfic @yogthos @polychrome Other example: inventory managementif scarcity becomes a problem, it would be very helpful to know what resources your community has
(DIR) Post #9niXN7Kk94k2lqLmGe by yogthos@mastodon.social
2019-10-08T13:46:30Z
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@grainloom @bamfic @polychrome I agree, even basic computing provides huge benefits in terms of organization and planning. Computers can also provide a knowledge base. For example, there are offline Wikipedia backups, and they're only 79 gigs or so. Having access to all that information would be a huge benefit.https://wiki.kiwix.org/wiki/Content_in_all_languages
(DIR) Post #9niaNH0cTKhOdnhgKe by icedquinn@niu.moe
2019-10-08T14:20:18Z
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@yogthos @grainloom @bamfic @polychrome Those are around 50gb depending, which is not trivial to handle.64gb MMCs are not exactly plentiful in stores, assuming your device even has a slot for it. External drives and thumb sticks you still see a decent amount of, though that rules out non-PC devices.The second problem is that while Wikipedia is better than nothing, it's only just. Load a copy up in kiwix and see if you can use it to identify random plants in the environment, build a shelter, cookware or build a still (moonshine, especially mixed with opium to make laudinam, has a lot of field use. but talking about it especially in depth tends to be forbidden.)I might rather fill that space with a mirror of libgen, since you can find task-specific manuals not subject to edit war politics in there.
(DIR) Post #9niq9Qd7VGh3gz8FTk by vertigo@mastodon.social
2019-10-08T17:17:03Z
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@yogthos My only concern with this project is the requirement for 56K of RAM. This is an obscene amount of memory to expect to find when scavenging. It also complicates address decoding, which means a harder to build computer.I would have preferred to see 16KB or 32KB being the basis configuration, something where a single NAND gate can form the basis of an address decoder. (This is how I built my Kestrel-1 SBC prototype, for example.)
(DIR) Post #9nirUq2mJIjeXzuFt2 by suetanvil@mastodon.technology
2019-10-08T17:32:09Z
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@yogthos I think what bothers me is that it's retro for its own sake. If we were forced to go back to 1980-era hardware, it would still be more advanced than it was then because we've learned a lot more about software and HCI.We understand the power of high-level languages these days in a way they didn't really grok back then.
(DIR) Post #9nisPT62IiW3spQvui by yogthos@mastodon.social
2019-10-08T17:42:24Z
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@suetanvil yeah that's a good point, abandoning all the legacy assumptions would result in a much cleaner system
(DIR) Post #9nitFiLcqEXkF8dcOm by requiem@hackers.town
2019-10-08T17:51:48Z
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@yogthos a simple computer that anyone can program would be very useful in a post-whatever scenario.I mean, it would be useful now.I think the most important thing is that it needs to be simple enough that anyone can easily learn how to utilize all of it's capability. This was common in early personal computers.Not saying we can't improve using what we've learned since then, but I think it's very easy to underestimate the value of simplicity and accessibility by rationalizing the use of "modern" computing techniques.