Post 9gyVc9x0JiBZFU9LqS by sim@sealion.club
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(DIR) Post #9gyQTQL9VpGdhdSapc by animeirl@social.homunyan.com
2019-03-20T20:38:36Z
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Thanks to @kaniini and @Elizafox for proving that everyone from the midwest really does have incurable brain worms
(DIR) Post #9gyQcnJpRoQdZmJEvo by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-03-20T20:41:34.084848Z
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@animeirl @kaniini @Elizafox i'm not actually being serious, just so you know. but, public transit which allows people to go on an adventure outside an urban environment is unlikely, so we will need alternatives, such as cars.
(DIR) Post #9gyRTW8s2b2teRK9Ca by animeirl@social.homunyan.com
2019-03-20T20:46:05Z
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@kaniini @Elizafox @kaniini I know and I get that in a lot of places in this shithole country its next to impossible to not own a car, but in all seriousness, there will soon not be anywhere to "adventure outside the urban environment" thanks to cars. I'm not against using motor vehicles for mass transit, emergency services, last mile delivery, and so on, but as personal transportation, cars, along with deforestation and industrial agriculture are going to literally kill us all within the next few decades along with most other life on earth.
(DIR) Post #9gyRTWPt1KemVDHjiy by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-03-20T20:51:03.629287Z
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@animeirl @Elizafox @kaniini i don't disagree, i would like to see much better transit where we live.but to say that there will be nowhere to go outside the urban environment in a decade or two is silly. the climate may change, but mountains, for example, will still exist.also agreed that deforestation and industrial agriculture are serious problems.but I don't think EVs are that harmful. certainly less so than ICE vehicles.
(DIR) Post #9gySq20YLRuOo3jUjQ by animeirl@social.homunyan.com
2019-03-20T20:48:14Z
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@kaniini @Elizafox @kaniini when I'm attacking cars im not really blaming individual motorists (except all the suburban SUV/gigantic pickup owning shitheads who 100% deserve to be gulaged) just like I'm not blaming individuals for eating food that was farmed using methods that render the surrounding waterways uninhabitable. No ethical consumption under capitalism, after all.
(DIR) Post #9gySq2NEz63ZwQLc5w by rick_777@cybre.space
2019-03-20T21:06:01Z
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@animeirlThe suburb is the perfect trap. It discriminates against the poor, forces people to use private transportation, and it ensures a big chunk of money goes regularly to big oil.If you want a fair country, the suburb must be killed.@kaniini @Elizafox @kaniini
(DIR) Post #9gySq2pFIySTLHRykK by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-03-20T21:06:29.086847Z
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@rick_777 @animeirl @Elizafox @kaniini i don't even live in a suburb
(DIR) Post #9gyT271VWWiNpuwKhs by bhtooefr@mastodon.social
2019-03-20T20:55:08Z
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@kaniini @Elizafox @kaniini @animeirl I believe her complaint is that while EVs may solve tailpipe emissions problems, they don't solve the traffic and societal problems that cars cause.They still require high-speed roads that endanger pedestrians and cyclists, those roads still divert tax funds away from mass transit, sidewalk, and cycling lane infrastructure, and those roads also still divide communities.
(DIR) Post #9gyT27Pc4tzt2gDaHQ by Elizafox@mst3k.interlinked.me
2019-03-20T20:57:24Z
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@bhtooefr @kaniini @kaniini @animeirl traffic issues can be solved with competent engineering and better transit in cities, not by eliminating cars, which will mostly self-eliminate if you provide better alternatives
(DIR) Post #9gyT27lwjrrU9wfQ5g by bhtooefr@mastodon.social
2019-03-20T21:05:10Z
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@Elizafox @kaniini @kaniini @animeirl The problem is what the definition of a "better alternative" is.And the problem is that the car enabled the sprawling suburbs that were created largely out of racism. That racism is still present, and those better alternatives won't be adopted by racists, unless you make them better *FOR THE RACISTS*.Which you really don't want to do.
(DIR) Post #9gyT287DSmsLDucPFA by animeirl@social.homunyan.com
2019-03-20T21:06:33Z
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@bhtooefr @Elizafox @kaniini @kaniini Yeah this is also a good point. It's kneecapping seattle's public transit as we speak since rich (and racist) neighborhoods keep blocking rail expansions to keep "undeseirables" out of their neighborhoods.
(DIR) Post #9gyT28OERWUE4gZzlY by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-03-20T21:08:30.122458Z
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@animeirl @bhtooefr @Elizafox @kaniini if those people are anything like the riders of Tulsa Transit, i agree, i don't want them in my neighborhood. sorry, not sorry, but i like living a bullshit-free lifestyle. the Tulsa Transit riders are such bullshit that i literally go out to the suburbs to go to Walmart so I do not have to deal with their extremely high levels of ignorant behaviour.
(DIR) Post #9gyTcDfcHuZwsOuxw8 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-03-20T21:14:59.527471Z
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@animeirl @Elizafox @bhtooefr @kaniini literal incidents that have occured while riding Tulsa Transit:* multiple offers of illegal drug commerce* near-daily insults directed at me implying I was a "drunk Indian" because I did not wish to give them my change* for a while I had a beard, this one particular WW2 asshole vet with a Trump hat on (he ran in 2012 also) kept implying I was somehow involved in al qaeda due to skin tone and having a beard* multiple people trying to fight me for not taking their bullshit like a bitch* the powertrain section of a bus we were riding literally exploded and caught fire with us inside itfuck. the. bus.
(DIR) Post #9gyTy4cyaYaHCb6URU by roka@pl.smuglo.li
2019-03-20T21:19:12.847210Z
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@kaniini @bhtooefr @Elizafox @kaniini @animeirl eh, every time a burger says something about public transportation, it's always bad. I don't get *why* it's so weird though ;;
(DIR) Post #9gyTzJa8TV41s5MoCm by animeirl@social.homunyan.com
2019-03-20T21:17:19Z
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@kaniini @bhtooefr @Elizafox @kaniini like I said, I'm sympathetic to how shitty the general public can be as I've had similar things happen to me. If that makes transportation "unusable" for you though, you're a fucking baby, sorry.
(DIR) Post #9gyUDFoXHPxMEwkVbU by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-03-20T21:21:38.768411Z
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@animeirl @bhtooefr @Elizafox @kaniini oh, that's not even the tip of the iceberg.what ultimately makes it unusable is that tulsa transit does not even pick people up on time. sometimes, frequently, they pass people who are waiting to be picked up, and you have to wait for the next bus (which may be as long as an hour away).accordingly, you have to plan to leave 2 hours ahead of when you need to actually arrive anywhere to have sufficient buffer for the lack of dependability.compared to a car, or hell, even uber / lyft / whatever.
(DIR) Post #9gyULOBK3NeSVZHp5s by weeb@waifuappreciation.club
2019-03-20T21:23:26.297Z
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@roka@pl.smuglo.li @kaniini@pleroma.site @bhtooefr@mastodon.social @Elizafox@mst3k.interlinked.me @kaniini@pleroma.dereferenced.org @animeirl@social.homunyan.com this is not typical, at least in my area on the west coast, which is supposedly the worst. I will say that having a pleasant commute in any major city is an art, and that you basically need to be invisible to avoid this kind of stuff in some areas.
(DIR) Post #9gyULXE8QIFUYtfhE8 by animeirl@social.homunyan.com
2019-03-20T21:22:27Z
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@kaniini @bhtooefr @Elizafox @kaniini That's understandable. "I'm against expanding public transit because undesirables will use it" which is what you said previously, is not.
(DIR) Post #9gyULXNLs1cb1Tz3aq by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-03-20T21:23:12.369450Z
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@animeirl @bhtooefr @Elizafox @kaniini i am not against expanding public transit if there are transit police. if it is an unpoliced shitshow like tulsa transit, then forget it.
(DIR) Post #9gyULzNfkQVzsaLhyq by feld@bikeshed.party
2019-03-20T21:23:31.183002Z
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@kaniini @bhtooefr @Elizafox @kaniini @animeirl > fuck. the. bus.There's a whole series about this called Bang Bu... oh wait, nevermind
(DIR) Post #9gyUOdMy2fOgTtHSeO by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-03-20T21:23:58.960697Z
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@feld @bhtooefr @Elizafox @kaniini @animeirl now that's some transit I can get behind
(DIR) Post #9gyUU1eDCheFE5uwts by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-03-20T21:24:57.399111Z
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@weeb @roka @Elizafox @animeirl @bhtooefr @kaniini on the west coast, you have nice things, like BART, and CalTrain. in the midwest, transit is a complete shitshow almost all the time.
(DIR) Post #9gyUoRnBhx3y6Xqzei by animeirl@social.homunyan.com
2019-03-20T21:26:04Z
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@kaniini @bhtooefr @Elizafox @roka @kaniini @weeb and that's not going to improve if people keep blocking any attempts at improving it for fear of undesirables. And then everyone dies from climate change. gg.
(DIR) Post #9gyUoSE85mc7S6SVeK by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-03-20T21:28:23.714137Z
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@animeirl @bhtooefr @Elizafox @roka @kaniini @weeb sure it will, they are building trains here now, administrated directly by Oklahoma and not Tulsa Transit. Tulsa Transit will die. I will be happy.
(DIR) Post #9gyVc9x0JiBZFU9LqS by sim@sealion.club
2019-03-20T21:35:28+00:00
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@kaniini @animeirl @elizafox @bhtooefr @kaniini I've found that public transport is already very busy and used over here. We still have a problem with the cars/traffic. I don't think public transport is going to help us. Plus like you say, you are stuck on their timetable, and even that isn't reliable where I am. Then they have so many confusing rules for the trains, for instance. We got an off-peak ticket not long ago, only to find that it was invalid around 12pm. We weren't in rush hour traffic, and yet... I didn't see anything about it until we got to the station. Plus I have social anxiety... so whenever I do use public transport it is always stressful. It gets overcrowded, stuffy, and I just want to leave. It's very scary and debilitating. I barely go anywhere. A car would give me more freedom from this.
(DIR) Post #9gyVxM8oBkNr8bmKfo by plausocks@mst3k.interlinked.me
2019-03-20T21:11:51Z
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@animeirl @kaniini @Elizafox add me to the list
(DIR) Post #9gyVxMQX7qYu1a4UIi by animeirl@social.homunyan.com
2019-03-20T21:14:34Z
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@plausocks @kaniini @Elizafox give the midwest back to native americans and deport everyone else. The coastal cities will take you, but only after extensive reeducation
(DIR) Post #9gyVxMlnqlZl5Y1TSC by plausocks@mst3k.interlinked.me
2019-03-20T21:15:54Z
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@animeirl @kaniini @Elizafox ｉ ｌｉｔｅｒａｌｌｙ ｃａｍｅ ｆｒｏｍ ａ ｃｏａｓｔａｌ ｔｏｗｎ
(DIR) Post #9gyVxNHLxSoSfOmfdA by animeirl@social.homunyan.com
2019-03-20T21:17:35Z
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@plausocks @kaniini @Elizafox sounds like you made some bad life choices
(DIR) Post #9gyVxNXeyprBTyPh32 by plausocks@mst3k.interlinked.me
2019-03-20T21:18:31Z
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@animeirl @kaniini @Elizafox I like being able to afford life tbh
(DIR) Post #9gyVxNhEPFVrxetKy0 by animeirl@social.homunyan.com
2019-03-20T21:19:58Z
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@plausocks @kaniini @Elizafox in my personal experience rural and/or midwestern "life" doesn't qualify as "life." But to each, their own.
(DIR) Post #9gyVxNrVn1jiTXhXzU by plausocks@mst3k.interlinked.me
2019-03-20T21:24:17Z
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@animeirl @kaniini @Elizafox i can get a job here that lets me own a new car and live in a real house and pursue my interests, and yet im in a city with a walmart never farther than 20 minutes away, and a population of over 400k in the city directly and over 1 million people in the immediate metro area...quality of life is great here. soething i could not get in the coastal state i used to live in
(DIR) Post #9gyVxO2r6qoJ2j0bfk by animeirl@social.homunyan.com
2019-03-20T21:26:28Z
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@plausocks @kaniini @Elizafox I'm sorry, but did you seriously just list being near wal-mart as a positive?
(DIR) Post #9gyVxOFyK5InhP957I by plausocks@mst3k.interlinked.me
2019-03-20T21:27:52Z
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@animeirl @kaniini @Elizafox one example of a place i can spend my money. theres literally thousands of local shops here as welland honestly as bad a rap as walmart gets, its cheap and i honestly dont mind that
(DIR) Post #9gyVxOTnUgMSOHc7fM by animeirl@social.homunyan.com
2019-03-20T21:29:21Z
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@plausocks @kaniini @Elizafox I dislike walmart because their products are extremely poor quality and they treat their workers like shit. I'll spend slightly more for things that wont immediately break, food that wont kill me, and to support workers who aren't as abused
(DIR) Post #9gyVxOaB6xSui4bDc0 by plausocks@mst3k.interlinked.me
2019-03-20T21:31:01Z
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@animeirl @kaniini @Elizafox and I can do that here as well if I bothered to take the time.also I'm pretty sure no one has died because of the quality of food at Walmart being so poor...
(DIR) Post #9gyVxOlsPSp5IM4YqW by animeirl@social.homunyan.com
2019-03-20T21:34:23Z
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@plausocks @kaniini @Elizafox I mean, health problems and death are directly linked to excessive pesticide use, excessive antibiotic use, and unsanitary growing/processing conditions so I'm pretty sure you're wrong, there.
(DIR) Post #9gyVxOsc0QD7dFDwLQ by plausocks@mst3k.interlinked.me
2019-03-20T21:35:02Z
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@animeirl @kaniini @Elizafox sources? and no blogs please...
(DIR) Post #9gyVxP798NpwMK1Y00 by animeirl@social.homunyan.com
2019-03-20T21:36:04Z
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@plausocks @kaniini @Elizafox Are you for real? 2 seconds of googling: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4947579/
(DIR) Post #9gyVxPIUSCuWvVKbgG by plausocks@mst3k.interlinked.me
2019-03-20T21:37:13Z
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@animeirl @kaniini @Elizafox so I'm to believe that every bite of food from Walmart is laced with toxic levels of literal poison? 😂
(DIR) Post #9gyVxPUti4prXz8W1I by animeirl@social.homunyan.com
2019-03-20T21:39:14Z
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@plausocks @kaniini @Elizafox Eating cheaply produced, industrially farmed food increases your risk of numerous health problems, yes. This is a well known fact. Are you seriously trying to argue that's not true? People have known this since the 1900s at least.
(DIR) Post #9gyVxPgb0aC28GbrFo by plausocks@mst3k.interlinked.me
2019-03-20T21:41:00Z
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@animeirl @kaniini @Elizafox and yet the average human lifespan continues to increase despite this...it's almost as if industrial scale food production is regulated to not kill people...
(DIR) Post #9gyX56EJKW1w3pbmZU by animeirl@social.homunyan.com
2019-03-20T21:27:33Z
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@plausocks @kaniini @Elizafox also having to drive to get anywhere is not a "great quality of life"
(DIR) Post #9gyX56QiaNxGgJPguW by plausocks@mst3k.interlinked.me
2019-03-20T21:28:45Z
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@animeirl @kaniini @Elizafox if your quality of life is only measured by how many places you can get to by bus or train then you should rethink life tbh
(DIR) Post #9gyX56eBmIjLM5iRuK by bhtooefr@mastodon.social
2019-03-20T21:35:38Z
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@plausocks how much mass transit was in your former state anyway?because I've had friends who have lived there, and when visiting them, remember everything being just as car-centric as the parts of rural Ohio I've lived in@animeirl @kaniini @Elizafox
(DIR) Post #9gyX56n3FLornZrWim by plausocks@mst3k.interlinked.me
2019-03-20T21:39:06Z
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@bhtooefr @animeirl @kaniini @Elizafox it was actually decent-ish. I just didn't like the idea of scheduling my life around public transit and wasting all that time waiting around and stopping at every stop
(DIR) Post #9gyX570ASaJMSG00AK by animeirl@social.homunyan.com
2019-03-20T21:41:38Z
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@plausocks @bhtooefr @kaniini @Elizafox at least you can read a book, surf the web, or play a game on public transit instead of having all your attention taken up by driving and sitting in traffic. As long as it's obscenely long, public transit is always a better option since you actually get to use that time unlike driving.
(DIR) Post #9gyX576Y4rPom2z66y by plausocks@mst3k.interlinked.me
2019-03-20T21:43:22Z
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@animeirl @bhtooefr @kaniini @Elizafox what if I enjoyed driving...but apparently I'm not allowed to... hmm......
(DIR) Post #9gyX57ND4uk7bimP56 by animeirl@social.homunyan.com
2019-03-20T21:46:41Z
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@plausocks @bhtooefr @kaniini @Elizafox Well the other problems with driving are: megafauna extinction, global warming (which will cause 1000s of species to go extinct and several countries to stop existing), dramatically increased risk of traumatic death (1.5 million people die per year as a direct result of cars, with a further 50 million injuries per year)
(DIR) Post #9gyX57YYOjoiAu5SlM by plausocks@mst3k.interlinked.me
2019-03-20T21:48:32Z
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@animeirl @bhtooefr @kaniini @Elizafox cars account for less than 30% of pollution though...
(DIR) Post #9gyX57fdyNUKWtP7oW by animeirl@social.homunyan.com
2019-03-20T21:50:54Z
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@plausocks @bhtooefr @kaniini @Elizafox please provide a source (no blogs, please). Also please also address the 1.5 million deaths and 50 million injuries caused by automobiles per year.
(DIR) Post #9gyX57pvM9iB2mDKq0 by plausocks@mst3k.interlinked.me
2019-03-20T21:53:12Z
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@animeirl @bhtooefr @kaniini @Elizafox by the way this was already given to you https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2017/jul/10/100-fossil-fuel-companies-investors-responsible-71-global-emissions-cdp-study-climate-change
(DIR) Post #9gyXsbxo8IyAffUx4S by plausocks@mst3k.interlinked.me
2019-03-20T21:51:37Z
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@animeirl @bhtooefr @kaniini @Elizafox I'd like a source for your statistics too
(DIR) Post #9gyXsc8nTRlBDkdjCS by animeirl@social.homunyan.com
2019-03-20T21:53:50Z
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@plausocks @bhtooefr @kaniini @Elizafox https://www.asirt.org/safe-travel/road-safety-facts/
(DIR) Post #9gyXscJQpuGbkjcDmC by plausocks@mst3k.interlinked.me
2019-03-20T21:57:07Z
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@animeirl @bhtooefr @kaniini @Elizafox literally more people are killed by diarrheahttps://ourworldindata.org/causes-of-death
(DIR) Post #9gyXscXbzBbqSiFXsW by animeirl@social.homunyan.com
2019-03-20T21:57:36Z
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@plausocks @bhtooefr @kaniini @Elizafox "people also die of another thing" is a non-argument
(DIR) Post #9gyXscehYpHSohZCvg by plausocks@mst3k.interlinked.me
2019-03-20T22:00:28Z
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@animeirl @bhtooefr @kaniini @Elizafox more people die shitting themselves to death (a mere 3.03% might I add) than something I've seen you literally compare to the Holocaust.you're acting as if it's the number one cause of death and also the most easily prevented 😂there are much MUCH bigger fish to fry...
(DIR) Post #9gyYm6w0gX76eY7bV2 by animeirl@social.homunyan.com
2019-03-20T22:04:17Z
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@plausocks @bhtooefr @kaniini @Elizafox by your braindead logic the holocaust is also cool because more people die literally shitting themselves to death. Genius!
(DIR) Post #9gyYm7HdO8PXjcEsCm by plausocks@mst3k.interlinked.me
2019-03-20T22:05:38Z
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@animeirl @bhtooefr @kaniini @Elizafox sounds like someone has officially lost their shit arguing that cars are literally the worst thing ever
(DIR) Post #9gyYm7b8De0Ui5MRay by animeirl@social.homunyan.com
2019-03-20T22:06:50Z
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@plausocks @bhtooefr @kaniini @Elizafox its not really an argument since you have been unable to actually disagree with anything I've presented and are instead just acting like a petty, condescending dipshit to disguise the fact you have literally zero arguments.
(DIR) Post #9gyYm7pfLbdJRAA3FY by plausocks@mst3k.interlinked.me
2019-03-20T22:07:24Z
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@animeirl @kaniini @Elizafox same for you tbh
(DIR) Post #9gyYm87OHhoMK8SCsS by animeirl@social.homunyan.com
2019-03-20T22:11:24Z
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@plausocks @kaniini @Elizafox not really, transportation being the leading cause of global warming is a fact you have failed to actually address in any way, instead all you've said is that there are other causes of global warming as well which... no shit? That's not an argument. You have also failed to address the fact that automobiles cause 1.5 million preventable deaths (instead using the non-argument that people also die of other things)All you seem capable of doing is engaging in whataboutism and trying to change the subject instead of addressing a single point I've actually brought up. Even weirdos like dtluna actually try to argue a subject instead of just repeatedly changing the subject.
(DIR) Post #9gyZNlbsPzQPWHeznU by animeirl@social.homunyan.com
2019-03-20T22:05:26Z
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@plausocks @bhtooefr @kaniini @Elizafox also automobile deaths are 100% preventable diseases unlike everything else on your own chart you unbelievable stupid cunt
(DIR) Post #9gyZNlnvhB4A7fIcaG by plausocks@mst3k.interlinked.me
2019-03-20T22:06:56Z
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@animeirl @bhtooefr @kaniini @Elizafox nah you're right, everyone cram into the coastal cities and make everything public transit while everyone starves and dies of disease because of the conditions it creates
(DIR) Post #9gyZNmAcKpDLG1ujwm by animeirl@social.homunyan.com
2019-03-20T22:13:50Z
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@plausocks @bhtooefr @kaniini @Elizafox Yeah, dawg. Lets kill all life on the planet earth and then starve to death so we can have a few decades of getting to big box stores a few minutes faster. Totally worth it!
(DIR) Post #9gyZNmWF2QVmL620eW by ZettaiRyouiki@fedi.z0ne.moe
2019-03-20T22:19:52.274959Z
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@animeirl @Elizafox @bhtooefr @plausocks OK, people are going to live wherever they want. People are going to need transportation. That transportation does not always have to be fossil fueled. More electric options for personal transportation are being introduced year after year, aggressively accelerating that would be beneficial, but unless we're prepared to publicly pay for every gas fueled automobile to be replaced, telling people 'just take the bus' IS NOT a solution because the bus is not always an option. Even 'city-folk' often DRIVE their shitty polluting autos to the place where they catch the bus/train.
(DIR) Post #9gyZy4Eee9M1i76jcO by animeirl@social.homunyan.com
2019-03-20T22:21:29Z
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@ZettaiRyouiki @plausocks @bhtooefr @Elizafox if by "replaced" you mean replaced with mass transit and light electric vehicals (like e-bikes) then yes, that is what we should do because it sounds way better than mass extinction and death!
(DIR) Post #9gyZy4VfcsxuYt4K8m by ZettaiRyouiki@fedi.z0ne.moe
2019-03-20T22:26:26.317331Z
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@animeirl @Elizafox @bhtooefr @plausocks I don't think we have to go that extreme nor the situation that dire; personal electric vehicles and aggressively researching other renewable or sustainable power sourced should be sufficient. If you going to the extreme you are suggesting, we might as well kill 50% of the global population by lottery.
(DIR) Post #9gyaC3bfmTvHoZXrMm by animeirl@social.homunyan.com
2019-03-20T22:22:36Z
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@ZettaiRyouiki @plausocks @bhtooefr @Elizafox also worth rethinking whether letting people live wherever they want is actually a good idea
(DIR) Post #9gyaC3pqvlGWWYBBT6 by ZettaiRyouiki@fedi.z0ne.moe
2019-03-20T22:28:58.097936Z
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@animeirl @Elizafox @bhtooefr @plausocks Letting people breed however they want is a bigger problem IMO
(DIR) Post #9gyaTpKPbeuAk9wdSS by animeirl@social.homunyan.com
2019-03-20T22:29:44Z
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@ZettaiRyouiki @plausocks @bhtooefr @Elizafox I think it's pretty bad faith to compare banning cars or strict residential zoning with literal mass murder. Even the most authoritarian countries in history, which have gone much further than anything I've mentioned, never got close to killing half their population.
(DIR) Post #9gyaTpcqV7eNfKZMBs by ZettaiRyouiki@fedi.z0ne.moe
2019-03-20T22:32:10.705919Z
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@animeirl @Elizafox @bhtooefr @plausocks For sure, it was hyperbole
(DIR) Post #9gyagBlA25RfmwLoUy by ZettaiRyouiki@fedi.z0ne.moe
2019-03-20T22:34:25.782292Z
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@animeirl @Elizafox @bhtooefr @plausocks You are seeming to advocate restricting freedom of movement; perhaps The United States of America (and many other countries) are modernly too large for sustainability
(DIR) Post #9gyamjCoatD5FzP7Ka by animeirl@social.homunyan.com
2019-03-20T22:34:26Z
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@ZettaiRyouiki @plausocks @bhtooefr @Elizafox I think that the situation is pretty dire. Top climate scientists have said we have approximately 10 years to prevent a 1.5+C degree raise in global temperatures which will cause, among other things, 99% of coral reefs to go extinct, and lead to 10s of millions of refugees. If you look at the amount of strife and rise in facism the comparably much smaller syrian refugee crisis has caused in Europe, I think there is reason to be very worried. If you look at "smaller" issues that will also be caused, like drop in crop yields, things look even worse.
(DIR) Post #9gyamjPDql8PsTD1fc by ZettaiRyouiki@fedi.z0ne.moe
2019-03-20T22:35:35.735428Z
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@animeirl @Elizafox @bhtooefr @plausocks "Top climate scientists have said we have approximately 10 years to prevent a 1.5+C degree raise" if we do NOTHING, there is always that caveat and we always ARE doing SOMETHING
(DIR) Post #9gyb7OgC6YrHg40ATI by ZettaiRyouiki@fedi.z0ne.moe
2019-03-20T22:39:19.824136Z
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@animeirl @Elizafox @bhtooefr @plausocks Is the SOMETHING we are doing close to enough to turn it around? No, not at all; but it is enough to just keep kicking that approximation another 10 years down the line as we reach the last 'tipping point'.
(DIR) Post #9gybClpbSFFOvfxsrw by animeirl@social.homunyan.com
2019-03-20T22:40:06Z
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@ZettaiRyouiki @plausocks @bhtooefr @Elizafox current emissions are going up globally so at the moment we're effectively doing less than nothing. To be fair, the US's emissions haven't gone up lately but we're still the highest per-capita in the world.
(DIR) Post #9gybQXpoI4qRZcd6ky by animeirl@social.homunyan.com
2019-03-20T22:42:24Z
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@ZettaiRyouiki @plausocks @bhtooefr @Elizafox Attempts at restricting birth rates artificially have either been failures or white supremacist projects dressed up as something else so I don't think there's a practical way of doing this. Luckily, this should be a self-correcting problem. As quality of life goes up and religious adherence goes down, birthrates lower.
(DIR) Post #9gybjKjNEav2R1Zuy0 by ZettaiRyouiki@fedi.z0ne.moe
2019-03-20T22:46:11.338738Z
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@animeirl @Elizafox @bhtooefr @plausocks Older people have been seeing the "tipping point" moved time and again that it makes every time they're told "in 10 years" less impactful; in the early 90's we were told that NYC would be submerged by rising oceans by 2001 "if we do nothing"; 'something' was done right since the 70's/80's that has produce a recovery of the Ozone
(DIR) Post #9gyc0BYsZwRev5hnBw by animeirl@social.homunyan.com
2019-03-20T22:47:40Z
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@ZettaiRyouiki @plausocks @bhtooefr @Elizafox citation needed. Previous "tipping points" I've seen have been from magazines and op-ed writers, not actual scientists.
(DIR) Post #9gyc0BopcdCniZAX3Y by ZettaiRyouiki@fedi.z0ne.moe
2019-03-20T22:49:13.868596Z
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@animeirl @Elizafox @bhtooefr @plausocks Oh, come on, I thought we were having a nice layman's conversation here, not a research project; fine I'll get back to you in three days with annotations.
(DIR) Post #9gydCczMWymVPeabh2 by animeirl@social.homunyan.com
2019-03-20T22:50:43Z
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@ZettaiRyouiki @plausocks @bhtooefr @Elizafox not trying to be that strict. I just have not actually seen legitimate trustworthy sources say that in the past. Reminds me of the "global cooling" scare in the 80s which was 100% shitty jouranlism and 0% actual scientists
(DIR) Post #9gydCdBPoAQG12EETo by ZettaiRyouiki@fedi.z0ne.moe
2019-03-20T23:02:41.762848Z
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@animeirl @Elizafox @bhtooefr @plausocks I'm sorry I don't have anything at hand, that may be the case that it was shitty journalism then... which lends older people to consider that it is still shitty journalism, especially when the 'overwhelming consensus' about Anthropogenic Climate Change is simply 'yes, it's happening' but not as much a consensus in the reports about the impact, even the remaining 3% was 'inconclusive'. What isn't getting thru is that the dire predictions *are* a majority of consensus.
(DIR) Post #9gye6zedRnrxvSlu76 by animeirl@social.homunyan.com
2019-03-20T21:32:54Z
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@plausocks @kaniini @Elizafox if you consider sitting in a vehicle for a large percentage of your conscious lifespan breathing exhaust fumes and living in empty asphalt and concrete sprawl then you should rethink your life because tbh your standards are far too low. No one should live like that
(DIR) Post #9gye6znUuqxUMwuyvY by digifox@vulpine.club
2019-03-20T21:47:37Z
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@animeirl I find cities oppressively chaotic and overwhelming, tbqh, and enjoy driving. I agree that cities should be made more livable for the type of people that actually want to live in cities, but there's no reason to act like people who are living outside of cities by choice are subjecting themselves to a life of misery. Each to their own.
(DIR) Post #9gye6zzYC2bEyKYbiK by animeirl@social.homunyan.com
2019-03-20T21:50:13Z
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@digifox Considering cars are responsible for over 1.5 million deaths and 50 million injuries per year, are a leading cause of global warming and megafauna extinction forgive if I don't think "I enjoy driving" is an acceptable excuse
(DIR) Post #9gye707Lj2q1MWCps0 by digifox@vulpine.club
2019-03-20T21:51:14Z
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@animeirl Cars are nowhere near a leading cause of global warming; energy production, freight/commercial transport, and industrial processes are. https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/sources-greenhouse-gas-emissions
(DIR) Post #9gye70Hd6p3rsP12tU by animeirl@social.homunyan.com
2019-03-20T23:11:29Z
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@digifox we have to deal with all major causes of global warming, not just the single biggest one and cars are still a major cause of both global warming and air pollution (automobile pollution alone is estimated to cause 30 thousand premature deaths per year). Automobile deaths have been declining but they are still a leading cause of death (and I think, the only top 10 leading cause of death that is 100% preventable) and automobiles killing pedestrians on the rise.If you're use of a car just affected you then it'd be fine, but I cannot opt out of the risk related to cars even though I don't drive. If I bike, I have to worry about some asshole running me over. If I walk, I also have to worry about some asshole running me over. There is literally NO way for me to avoid getting killed or injured by cars even though I have nothing to do with them. I also have a heart condition which makes me much more effected by air pollution as well.When you drive, you're not just accepting the risk and only placing risk on other people who have also accepted it, you're actively making the lives of completely innocent bystanders worse and more dangerous so I'm sorry but if you choose to drive, you are an asshole.
(DIR) Post #9gyk6y5HsuE2mUbpSq by ffs@shitasstits.life
2019-03-21T00:20:06.651355Z
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@animeirl OrIf you stopped overdosing from marijuana, you could see a pattern, source the root, and eradicate what causes dementia in rural areas with poor resources.Blaming the status quo and not making a difference, yeesh.@Elizafox @kaniini
(DIR) Post #9gyo4dpKd63BBwIAKG by Elizafox@mst3k.interlinked.me
2019-03-20T21:01:21Z
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@bhtooefr @kaniini @kaniini @animeirl The US has extremely pedestrian unfriendly streets and shit public transport as a result of incompetent engineering and policy the past 50 years, where pedestrians and cyclists weren't thought of at all.It's being corrected, but slowly.Shaming car owners is just stupid. Blame the people who designed this crap and the people who make policies that basically require a car.
(DIR) Post #9gytvGnFUwOCsBET0C by bhtooefr@mastodon.social
2019-03-20T21:10:34Z
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@kaniini @Elizafox @kaniini @animeirl Make an actually good mass transit system, and then get people to actually use it, and that problem will self-correct.Basically, what's happening here is, a bad mass transit system will only be used by the most desperate. So then you get a concentration of that cross-section of society, not the entire society overwhelming that cross-section.
(DIR) Post #9gytvxmLgADeBq8r4K by animeirl@social.homunyan.com
2019-03-20T21:12:40Z
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@bhtooefr @kaniini @Elizafox @kaniini building a transit system takes takes time and money. it's not going to magically jump from "bad" to "good" overnight. it's going to improve over months and years and usage by both "bad" and "good" people is going to increase proportionately
(DIR) Post #9gyuDZux8JwtOkZ95U by DJWalnut@pleroma.weirdart.space
2019-03-21T02:13:21.465300Z
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@plausocks @Elizafox @animeirl nice. What city may I ask?
(DIR) Post #9gyypj6joRleinWZ1c by DJWalnut@pleroma.weirdart.space
2019-03-21T03:05:04.186376Z
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@animeirl @Elizafox @bhtooefr @plausocks @ZettaiRyouiki after reading through this whole thread, I think I have some insights to reach a middle ground here. First is that driving everywhere as a means of commuting sucks, and that robust public transit system would be ideal. Second is that while cars are not ideal for most uses, they still have some utility sometimes, so some people are still on them and use them for some purposes, I travel outside of metropolitan areas. Thurid, actually existing public transit in the United States sucks. Fourth you can't really blame the individual for interacting with the broken systems we have currently established in whatever way works best for them. @animeirl you were a bit abrasive but your arm or less the right track