Subj : Re: UTF vs specific
To   : Eugene Subbotin
From : Karel Kral
Date : Sat Sep 19 2026 08:29 am

Hello Eugene!

15 Sep 26 14:06, you wrote to me:

1st of all - thank you for detaild explanation and help.

 ES> CP895 messages then read correctly and what you write goes out as
 ES> CP852 with a proper CHRS kludge. Writing CP895 from a UTF-8 session is
 ES> not possible with a table now (I'll add reverse-encoding later): a CHS

Then I will wait for it. I thought conversion between 1 byte and "more than one 
byte" encoding is that big move in new Golded+ approach.

 ES> If an area REALLY has to stay CP895, run an 8-bit session instead:

As I have now. In regio42 areas I can use encoding. In International keep 7bit 
virtual ASCII. And forget about UTF8.

 ES> But PLEASE do not post CP895 messages to Fidonet!

This I can not agree. It is about moderators of each echomail conference and 
its rules. For r42 is only alowed CP895 (since ever). I did some investigation 
since my rc42 and will not change.

 ES> Neither the Fidonet standard FTS-5003 nor IANA recognizes this

Checking that FTS - 7.4.2012 - far after CodePage was stabilized in r42. FTS 
should not be accepted in that shape, that time.

 ES> encoding. Nobody else has a table for it - iconv, Windows and OS/2 do
 ES> not know the charset - so every other reader, GoldED+ without tables
 ES> included, shows a CP895 message as rubbish, exactly what you saw.

I am using that code page since ever (in fidonet). See proper and use 
characters. I wondered if new Golded+ can help me to live with OS in UTF - 
which can not so far.

What must be done: 1) add CP895 into iconv and 2) get Golded+ working with 
1byte against UTF and back conversion

It reminded me situation I was supporting big International (ok, German) 
company starting to sell ecom in .cz They simply refused czech coding, using 
pure English... Until Czech Post (they contracted) simply refused to deliver 
;-) We can say that CP895 is not alllowed in Fidonet since 2012 - but is used 
in r42 since ever and until now - on all (active) Nodes and Points.

Karel

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