Subj : USB 3 Issue? To : Ky Moffet From : Barry Martin Date : Sun Feb 02 2020 08:46:00 Hi Ky! > Snippet: > Bus 004 Device 004: ID 046d:c31c Logitech, Inc. Keyboard K120 > Bus 004 Device 003: ID 051d:0002 American Power Conversion > Uninterruptible Power Supply > Bus 004 Device 002: ID 046d:c05a Logitech, Inc. M90/M100 Optical Mouse KM> Huh. So I taught you something for a change! :) KM> Speaking of USB, whatever you have is contagious -- USB quit KM> entirely on this box (last week it was one of the NICs, so it's KM> probably defective southbridge). That's not good! ...First thing I thought of was Linux/Ubuntu doens't play nice with the IOMMU setting in the BIOS: during _installation_ needs to be toggled. You're way past installation so probably (almost definitely!) a false lead but figured I'd mention something anyway. KM> In the process of doing a KM> temporary swap into its well-mannered twin brother... well, at KM> least that simplifies the big upgrade, since now I can just KM> dysmangle this one rather than have to think about the best way KM> to avoid disruption. Probably repurpose the mainboard as a NAS or KM> some such that doesn't need USB. Yes, I've been considering building a NAS of my own as the one pre- built unit I have here is no longer supported. But First.... KM> AND I see the 12v line is at only 10.9v, but whether that's the KM> PSU or the mainboard not drawing correctly is uncertain... but KM> the 12v line shouldn't affect USB (which is still at 5v). And I'm KM> guessing it's mainboard, because otherwise the spinney HDs would KM> be complaining or failing to start, and they're fine. "Enquiring minds wanna know" so I did a quick Google search ("+12v rail low voltage"). One reply suggested cleaning and reseating the mother- borad and PSU connectors and if that didn't fix replace the PSU. Further: "ATX spec allows for a 5% deviation above and below 12v. That is, if the voltage reading is about 12.6 or 11.4 volts, the PSU is not functioning properly." That more for whoever else is reading this. Also tends to verify for you a failing PSU, replacement of which would be required for the new assignment. Would be nice if took care of the USB issue too! KM> Regardless... Something Went Wrong! I tend to concur! > > thumbdrive left. ...Test later: don't want that testing to lock up the > > computer! > KM> Haha, gee, why not? :D > 'Cause . KM> No carrier, no picnic. BTW earlier today Techware was Connection KM> Refused ... relieved that it's back! During yesterday's mailrun (Saturday morning, so probably the same as what you're talking about) I just got a timeout from NetTerm. Might still be some problems as this morning (Sunday) I only received one message - your's - no automatic posts from Daryl. > KM> Note to self: beat Barry with a stick until he learns better. > Note to self: Ky's into kinky stuff! Get address. KM> 666 Devil Road... And the town; think it's Wyoming. Maybe Montana. ...I may have to give in and do a Google Maps search: is there a 666 Devil Rd., in Hell, MI?! KM> reminds me, need to peel some stuff out of one of the KM> resurrectees for its former owner. Not that I need a dedicated KM> Vista machine but it's already set up and runs very well, so KM> leaving well enough alone. Nice 'gift with purchase' bonus! > For personal use I've been purchasing USB 3's at 16 GB, in 'small bulk' > for discount prices, when on sale. Last were Kingston DataTravellers > and no failure -- knock on wood! (Ha-ha: the computer desk is wood!) KM> Kingston not my fave brand of anything. Most Failed RAM award. KM> Like 90% of the failed RAM I've seen (not much, but mostly KM> theirs). You're worrying me! I've used their SSDs as boot devices/boot and data on some of the computers around here: thinking the basic technologies between a USB thumbdrive and solid state drive are the same. > ..Do have several SanDisk Ultras (USB 3.0, 16 GB). Hmm: Lexmark > Jumpdrive, USB 2.0, 128 MB. Seriously! It has a configuration file on > it and yes it does load slow! KM> I hope you mean 128GB and Lexar :) Correction: it is Lexar, but no, it is 128 MB: Model JDSP128-04-500A. > > > Will continue to ground-before-insert just as a good practice. > > KM> If only because *I* don't like getting zapped. :) > > So we have found out you're not into that cheap a thrill!! > KM> I am no fun at an electrocution. :P > That comes as no shock! KM> I prefer dynamic to static. AC? DC is more fun! > And I need to get to that testing (sorry about the delay) and note what > I have and what set to. And of course the problem is the lockup does > not occur constantly; will note what the original is and what > configuration, reset per your suggestions, and then see what heppens. KM> You broke mine; why not yours? This'un was cranky right out KM> of the box (was a gift and from the clearance bin, but new) and KM> some of the USB ports never worked. Now they ALL don't work. KM> Power good, but no data. LIS up there towards the top, the on-line stuff is suggesting a faulty PSU -- easy enough to replace, and if it is failing should be replaced for the motherboard's new function anyway. ...Assumed you've rebooted. > > Need to check still - when go to the store tomorrow wil pick u psome > > more Round TuIts. > KM> They sell those now? I should get some... > Didn't find any and the people working there were thinking mught be out > of stock; a little hard to be sure as the store is being remodelled and > everything is being moved around to make space to work the remodel. > Giant game of Hide and Seek with the merchandise! KM> WHO MOVED MY STUFF?? It's kind of funny (IMO): some people are rather grouchy during the transitioning. OK, yeah: it's sometimes noisy and inconvenient. Then there are others who look around and over the inconveniences and look forward to the new-and-improved store that's coming. And my "hide and go seek" comment (said in a fun way) seems to get the grumps out of it. > KM> Speaking of strange CPU Tricks: Lately realised that the Giant > KM> Server is functionally a Mac Pro. (Same CPUs and RAM type.) Since > KM> I've had no luck installing an OS, maybe I'll cannibalize it to > KM> build a Golem Mac. Step one: find an appropriate standalone > KM> dual-LGA1366 mainboard. > There are only so many combinations of a version: I've got two > motherboards here which are essentially the same. Another version > comes without heat sinks I thing on SouthBridge: does the same work, > just don't 'make it sweat'. KM> I got a rather pricey copper heatsink for Bullet for next time I KM> have it all apart... southbridge has an aluminum heatsink and a KM> fan blowing square on it, but it's not enough. Durn thing can hit KM> a sustained 220F under load. Boils eggs AND fries bacon! Ky's Grill and Computer Repair! > KM> * Fortunately for them, about the time Micro-Star started > KM> branding themselves as "MSI" their quality markedly improved, and > KM> they became one of my preferred boards. > Gee, so you think maybe the initials stood for "Micro Star > Incorporated"? And both names sound familiar, and fairly certain I had > some MSI hardware. KM> Close :) Micro-Star International. Not that any of the P60 era KM> were much good that I saw, but their were exceptionally cranky KM> and primitive, like uppity 386s. But by the P3 era they were KM> really nice. I was trying to remember why "MSI" sounded familiar -- thinking I had something of theirs but not recalling what. Maybe motherboard but didn't sound right. Have or at least had a video card "MSI HD5450" - file dated from 2011. Then also a MSI-branded video card with dual DVI. > Right. Here the computer I use for recording TV (MythTV Backend) can > use 32 GB but it seems to be happy with half that -- I don't think I've > seen it use more than 30-40% of that. KM> Yeah, only reason I've been doing the whole max-out 32GB on these KM> Dells is because, well, future-proofing. And one being a KM> Hackintosh, if I get around to Catalina will need ALL of it. KM> (14GB just to admire its navel.) It's not idling, it's pontificating! I was surprised both of my systems were happy with 'just' the 16GB. This one I sometimes do some intensive stuff, or to least to my brain seems like it. I don't think I've ever used more than 6 GB of RAM but not going to remove any. The Backend for the MythTV system originally had 32 GB installed, found one stick was bad so pulled the pair and RMA'd. It worked fine with the remaining pair so when received the replacements decided to leave them for another computer. (RAM usage comments based on System Monitor observations.) KM> Otherwise, probably only time I've used enough to notice is when KM> two VMs going at once. Why I'd do that escapes me. Because it's easier that starting up and shutting down the first one! > This system has 32 GB installed 'cause I'm a little demanding at times. > I've not seen it use more than 25% - right now 6.4 GiB. KM> Nice thing about plenty of RAM being I can give as much as KM> necessary to a VM and not be at all cramped. I'll have to watch what happens when I play with multiple VMs. Right now just use the one for XP. 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