Subj : Re: Ubuntu replaces core
To   : Barry Martin
From : Ky Moffet
Date : Mon Nov 03 2025 11:36:00

BARRY MARTIN wrote:
> Hi Ky!
> 
>   KM> Yeah, obviously. But it wasn't to keep schedule, it was whiney
>   KM> brats going "You can't make me!" They've set their hearts on
>   KM> swapping out C/C++ for Rust, and when numerous actual programmers
>   KM> pointed out the problems with Rust, the whiney brats went "DO IT
>   KM> NOW!" and the question of ready or not went out the window.
>   
> Not knowing who the 'whiney brats' are I'd guess they're powerful
> enough to be able to chop heads but as with a lot of leaders don't know
> diddly-squat about how the stuff they're overseeing actually works.  IMO

Oh, it's not ignorance.... I'm starting to think it's malice aforethought.

> good to try something new but then also needs to be tested and found to
> work.

It gets worse.

https://lunduke.substack.com/p/debian-adding-hard-dependency-on

As I comment under the vid:
===
Watch what Canonical does next, and see if your thoughts go where mine did:

My cynical little voice wonders if the real "unintended consequence" is 
to (for all practical purposes) kill off all the projects downstream 
from both Ubuntu .... Ubuntu being the only distro that has both jumped 
on this bandwagon *and* has the resources to work past the problems Rust 
will cause.... and is for all practical purposes Commercial Debian.
===

> 
> 
>   KM> The theory is that Rust is "memory safe" by default, but turns
>   KM> out you still need to have programmers who actually know what
>   KM> they're doing, and Rust, being the cool kid on the block, has
>   KM> attracted a lot of rather novice hands at the task, and it wasn't
>   KM> just a matter of swapping out functions.
>   
> Never is.  There are always basic steps one must know.

Yeah, and with foundational utilities, all the thousands of time-tested 
interactions that suddenly are bent sideways and ALL need to be tested 
again, to make sure one or the other hasn't tickled some show-stopper bug.

> Might look like the right thing to do employment-wise to jump on the
> RUST train as is the mode of software travel into the future, but it
> still has to work: a train with a powerful engine sitting on shiny
> aluminum foil wheels isn't going anywhere.

That's pretty much where it's at. People tend to either love or hate 
Rust, but those who love it tend to be evangelical about it, rather than 
pointing out where maybe it works better.

> .. I plan to borrow enough money to get completely out of debt.

Ah, a working linux business plan!!
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