Subj : Re: GIMP Up To : Mike Powell From : Ky Moffet Date : Mon Sep 01 2025 18:37:00 MIKE POWELL wrote: >>> Yeah, you cannot skip versions on debian upgrades. I think you used to be >>> able to skip maybe one and get away with it but not any more. > >> So it appears. And they don't have any procedure for catching up. Fedora >> can jump two versions by default, but you can also bring an old one >> forward from several years ago, two versions at a time. With Debian, >> apparently not. > > If you read the upgrade notes, debian specifically says there are no skips. It wouldn't upgrade to the between version either. I finally swore at it and reinstalled, but then had to fight it about partitioning (it was dead set on shrinking root and getting rid of swap). Finally it gave in and used the existing partition layout, as I wanted it to. Imagine my surprise when I booted it up and there was my Home and various other settings, all intact. > The alternative is to upgrade to oldstable first, then upgrade to stable. It threw some error message about that. If I cared more I might have pursued it. > Unlike Ubuntu, they do keep their repositories around (and fully stocked) > for a version or so back. If you skip too many upgrades, you may not be > able to get it to work, but in past I have been able to upgrade from > oldoldstabe - oldstable - stable and have it mostly work, aside from the > odd software issues that one can have with any upgrade. I would have thought, yeah, but... gah. I hate Debian. As noted I only keep it on General Principles, and only since they got a decent incarnation of KDE (used to be awful, with much stuff missing). > > My experience with ubuntu is that if you skip a version and try to upgrade > using this route, the older repositories will be missing something and you > will break your system to the point where it may not even be able to boot. Yeah, well, Ubuntu is just Debian with Canonical pasted on top.... I dislike Ubuntu and loathe Gnome, and Kubuntu has always been too much the poor relation, I don't even look at it anymore. > >> Those basic window managers are like that. JWM never misbehaves either, >> that I've seen. > > On the system that is giving me the most grief, I may need to set it up to > use icewm and see what happens. It may be old enough that even lxqt has > gotten to be too "big" for it to handle. What's the hardware? Also, the distro UNDER the desktop is what really matters when it comes to performance. Which distro are you using with LXQt? because LXQt by itself only needs about 300mb RAM. (KDE not much more, about 500mb.) I can demo that all day long. I only use KDE desktop for everyday, and I always set it up the same. I use KDE on PCLinuxOS, Fedora, and OpenMandriva. PCLOS absolutely runs rings around Fedora, and OM isn't far behind. The difference is the distro, not the desktop. On the same hardware, with spinning rust Fedora takes 2 minutes to boot and another 2 minutes to make it to a usable desktop. Exact same hardware, PCLOS takes about 30 seconds to reach a usual desktop. (FIVE seconds with an SSD.) Puppy with JWM and Rox runs well on a 22 year old Celeron with 340MB of RAM. Nowadays the constraint for really old hardware can be finding a distro that still supports 32bit. >> But the problem seems to be either in the kernel or in fedora, cuz it's >> not in KDE. Same KDE on top, no trouble. But had to boot from previous >> kernel. And for some reason it had kept two. > > I have noticed that, whenever the kernel gets upgraded here, the previous > one is still available from the grub boot menu. However, I have *never* > had any luck getting the system to boot from that previous version. Once a > new version is installed, attempting a previous boot will result in a > kernel panic every time, so I have no idea why debian keeps the previous > one as an option. Well, that's not at all promising, but, Debian. þ RNET 2.10U: ILink: Techware BBS þ Hollywood, Ca þ www.techware2k.com --- QScan/PCB v1.20a / 01-0462 * Origin: ILink: CFBBS | cfbbs.no-ip.com (454:1/1) .