Subj : Re: GIMP Up
To   : KY MOFFET
From : Mike Powell
Date : Mon Sep 01 2025 10:51:16

> > Yeah, you cannot skip versions on debian upgrades.  I think you used to be
> > able to skip maybe one and get away with it but not any more.

> So it appears. And they don't have any procedure for catching up. Fedora
> can jump two versions by default, but you can also bring an old one
> forward from several years ago, two versions at a time. With Debian,
> apparently not.

If you read the upgrade notes, debian specifically says there are no skips.
 The alternative is to upgrade to oldstable first, then upgrade to stable.
Unlike Ubuntu, they do keep their repositories around (and fully stocked)
for a version or so back.  If you skip too many upgrades, you may not be
able to get it to work, but in past I have been able to upgrade from
oldoldstabe - oldstable - stable and have it mostly work, aside from the
odd software issues that one can have with any upgrade.

My experience with ubuntu is that if you skip a version and try to upgrade
using this route, the older repositories will be missing something and you
will break your system to the point where it may not even be able to boot.

> Those basic window managers are like that. JWM never misbehaves either,
> that I've seen.

On the system that is giving me the most grief, I may need to set it up to
use icewm and see what happens.  It may be old enough that even lxqt has
gotten to be too "big" for it to handle.

> But the problem seems to be either in the kernel or in fedora, cuz it's
> not in KDE. Same KDE on top, no trouble. But had to boot from previous
> kernel. And for some reason it had kept two.

I have noticed that, whenever the kernel gets upgraded here, the previous
one is still available from the grub boot menu.  However, I have *never*
had any luck getting the system to boot from that previous version.  Once a
new version is installed, attempting a previous boot will result in a
kernel panic every time, so I have no idea why debian keeps the previous
one as an option.

Mike


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