Subj : Debian upgrade (was NET 3
To   : Mike Powell
From : Barry Martin
Date : Fri Aug 29 2025 06:59:00


Hi Mike!

 MP> Moving discussion to the nix echo.
 
Works for me!

 >  MP> My upgrade to Debian 13 *seems* to have gone ok here.  Synchronet
 >  MP> still works, I had to track down a missing library for a cople of
 >  MP> linux native doors, and I have noticed a few other non-BBS
 >  MP> related quirks but overall (knock-on-wood) all is working so far.
 > I'll admit I had to use Google to remind me: 'Debian 13' sounded
 > familiar, Trixie sounded familiar; ah! Bookworm's update!  (OK, 'update'
 > isn't the correct word.)
 MP> Upgrade.  ;)

One would think as often as I have typed that....  (I do use the little 
icon but sometimes do manually.)


 > Yes, sometimes the install process doesn't pull in everything it needs,
 > I'd guess sometimes because of an oversight, and I know of at least one
 > instance of a misspelling.
 MP> In this case, because it is a door game installed via git and
 MP> compiled locally, debian package management wouldn't know that
 MP> anything was relying on the dev library in question.  I can
 MP> forgive that.

That makes sense.  I have experienced installs where I am working 
directly with the developer/programmer and doesn't work.  The problem is
a missing something the other person has used forever and forgot it
wasn't part of the main package.  Good news is usually the other person 
updates their instructions so people after me don't have the same issue.


 MP> There are a couple of other non-BBS annoyances I am still getting
 MP> used to that also are not 100% debian related.  The GIMP is up to
 MP> a newer version now and it has some annoying quirks.  There are
 MP> some things that were easier to do with the previous version
 MP> (including one where I swear they reverted a behavior back a
 MP> version or two, effectively removing a useful feature).  GIMP
 MP> also ignores (but at least preserves) most previously set config
 MP> option, which is an annoyance that I am finding work around for.

Yup. just like any other operating system sometimes an upgrade becomes a
downgrade: something gets broken to fix something else.  Here Ubuntu 
24.04 doesn't play nice on a couple of desktops I have; works great on 
one.  (NOTE: super-tiny sampling of less than six.)  Others have noted 
similar problems.  I think it is due to the hardware combination and the
OS not playing nice together.  Both are fine, just not together.


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