Subj : Remmina RDP To : Ky Moffet From : Barry Martin Date : Tue May 21 2024 08:15:00 Hi Ky! > > Oops! That's what I get for not being overly familiar with the stuff! > KM> I have become painfully familiar. > That was also part of your job. Same as back in the olden days when I > was selling computers and they were still more of a novelty I resisted > using some utilities even though they were clearly better than what > Windows was providing: I was sort of providing customer support and > figured I'd better be intimately familiar with what the customer's > system had. KM> Tho my clients were all Windows... Though your magic was plugging in the USB thumbdrive with your favourite Linux flavour and fixing the Windows problem that way! > > KM> Whine whine whine! > > It's 1700 somewhere! > KM> > (Hmm: did Ky slide over to the year or did he miss the 24-hour version > of 5 o'clock somewhere?) KM> You need to be specific, otherwise I take the one that's a better KM> fashion statement. So now tip your tricorn at 5 o'clock! > KM> Generally if I'm using linux I'm using linux, and I expect things > KM> to behave like linux. > The problem I'm finding is some utilties only use Windows, and some KM> And there's my problem... I have a bit of a suspicion there's some sort of under-the-table agreements for the 'Windows exclusively', otherwise why would companies manufacture for only part of the market? > KM> But yeah, there are some things linux still doesn't do well, and > KM> may never do well, or even at all. > Agree, and while could be an inconvenience not necessarily a bad thing. > Using my thumbdrive repair example, Linux might "never" be able to > repair/recover and now (time - 2024) it may be cheaper and easier to > toss a failed thumbdrive. OTOH if something really important on it > that needs to be recovered then worth the cost to send to a recovery > service. KM> And given it's a flash drive... unless it's purely a filesystem KM> error, AFAIK it's not recoverable. Highly limited personal experience here so probably yes. Most of the problem cases are off-brands, though I had a quirk with all of the black and yellow ADATA thumbdrives eventually failed yet all of the black and blues ones are fine. Same seller, same capacity, purchased about the same time. > KM> Frex, there is NO dedicated RTF editor for linux. I've looked. > KM> No, LibreOffice is not satisfactory (insert rant about clean > KM> formatting code vs printer-defined formatting and how the latter > KM> needs to be stripped out for publication, and also to avoid > KM> random screwups). So... XP in a VM, and my dedicated RTF editor > KM> to the rescue. > Haven't fiddle but thinking gedit and mousepad. ... I haven't used a > dot-matrix printer in years so zero experience. Only thing I do with > plain text is fiddle with a little coding. KM> Nope. Gedit and the like are plaintext editors. In that realm I KM> like KATE (KDE Another Text Editor, I assume) and it can do all KM> sorts of programmer formatting.... but the one set of tags it KM> DOES NOT DO is RTF. I scanned though some articles and didn't find a reason; was half-expecting when I saw 'Microsoft' and 'proprietary' to also see a reference to a copyright or whatever legal "this is mine alone" document. Half-figured something along those lines would be a suitable reason. KM> I expect in the Early Daze this was rejection of a standard from KM> Microsoft (there was a lot of that -- if MSFT does it, we won't, KM> or will do the opposite, even if it's the only sane method) but KM> now it's just... not sexy programming, so no one does it. Usually pretty much if there is a need then we will do it, otherwise not worth it. > KM> It's a nuisance, but... better than fighting with WINE. And XP > KM> will always speak to the whole network, which linux never will. > KM> (Does not like random other linux boxen, never mind random > KM> Windows. And cannot be trusted to write files without fragmenting > KM> them all over the place.) > Could be. (Not disagreeing with you, just insufficient mackground on my > end.) I do agree it does seem odd Linux doesn't have a defregment > option -- hey: good reason to do a fresh install as that puts the files > back together! KM> The claim is that linux doesn't fragment, because it just keeps KM> moving on out to the largest available single block (which of KM> course wastes a LOT of drive space). KM> I beg to differ. The red blocks are a single file, written by KM> linux; the blue blocks are files of similar (rather large) size KM> written by Windows. KM> http://doomgold.com/images/linux/fragmented.jpg To my thinking the only way to keep a file from fragmenting is to have a rule it needs to be laid down in one contiguous section -- and that might a bit of added difficulty with those bad segments. The fragmentation discussion almost points to a very good reason to start with a fresh system rather than upgrade. I don't recall reading about it specifically as they always seem to say 'files' which sort of gets thought of as the data -- stuff added by humans. Seems to me the Operating System files could just as easily get fragmented and eventually have problems. KM> The file was damaged beyond use (fortunately not the only copy). Backups are good! Multiple backups are better! Multiple backups in different formats are even better! KM> But yes, for ages the only way to defragment linux was the same KM> way we did it in the DOS 5 era and before -- copy everything off, KM> format the drive, copy everything back. And that's still really KM> the typical method, if you're using a HDD. (Not so relevant with KM> SSDs.) Or use huge drives and expect to waste about a third of KM> the space. Which is essentially creating a new system. ...Over the years I've sort of learned to buy/use a lot larger computer hardware than I think I'll need because something will come along to use all of what I have now. First XT had a 20 MB hard drive -- I'll never run out of space! Nine months later space is running low, the sister XT becomes available with a 40 MB hard drive (and EGA card -- woo-hoo!! [Original was CGA.] Network the two, so 60 MB available. I'LL NEVER RUN OUT OF SPACE!!! KM> Well, there's this, but apparently it's not very good and there's KM> debate over whether the drive should be mounted or not. And by KM> default it only does one file. KM> https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/linux-filesystem-defrag/ KM> Read also the comments. KM> btrfs filesystem reportedly has its own stability issues.... I'm not so sure there is any one great (or even good) file defragger. It would seem each formatting style has it's own rules which would need to be specifically addressed by the defragger. Would also seem each hard drive manufacturer and version/family would also need to be address as well -- why would Western Digital create Black series for regular use and Red for a NAS? Data is data, but one group has faster writes while another faster reads. ...Just seems to be too many variables. And I'll bring up another tangent to file placement: I've noticed after a reboot if I ask for a GUI list of files in a subdirectory the first time it takes a while -- the more files the longer I'm waiting. But generally any time after the first inquiry it is an instantaneous response. Seems there's something working to counteract any slow response due to fragmentation. > I'll admit to having problems 'seeing' other computers around here but > the correction usually was to fix the ssh connection and then Remmina or > TigerVNC would run correctly. Both of those do have some sort of a KM> I think it must be a more general linux thing. Someone I know KM> sent me a tutorial on how to get Mint to behave on a network and KM> it was a lot of bother, so I haven't tried it yet. Need to look KM> on old system for the email.... You need a larger hard drive to conveniently store the trivia! Some of the issues on my side are caused by the way I do things: I'll use the same physical Raspberry Pi but with a different (base ^*) SD card the certificates won't match and the easiest and quickest way, plus the way I usually find the problem, is to SSH into the remote unit: "certificates don't match" error pops up, contains the fix command line -- copy and paste, done! "Base" card up there because I can't think of a better word. I can make a duplicate of the card and swap it in -- everything will work properly. Format the card or put a different card in, even with the same OS, and the unit will now be 'different' to the network: someone else is impersonanting that IP! The certificate doesn't match! ¯ ® ¯ BarryMartin3@MyMetronet.NET ® ¯ ® .... Ignorant?! Ha! I don't even know the meaning of the word! --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.47 þ wcECHO 4.2 ÷ ILink: The Safe BBS þ Bettendorf, IA --- QScan/PCB v1.20a / 01-0462 * Origin: ILink: CFBBS | cfbbs.no-ip.com | 856-933-7096 (454:1/1) .