Subj : Re: Remmina RDP To : Barry Martin From : Ky Moffet Date : Sun May 19 2024 11:51:00 BARRY MARTIN wrote: > KM> Assuming you can get it to install and run in the VM. You should > KM> hear my VM War Stories.... > > I don't play all that much but have had a few instances where it just > doesn't play nice. I've also been using Raspberry Pi's for a disposable > machine. No, not going to toss the Pi itself, but can overwrite the SD > card and so remove all traces of the failed experiment. If I'm just experimenting, I use real hardware and a stack of small hard drives... much more reliable results. One PC, fifty OSs. But when I need to run something that the host OS doesn't like... that's why I do VMs. The two main use cases being: Host: any linux VM: -- WinXP, for a handful of WinApps I can't replace and for reliable networking Host: Win8/10 VMs: -- WinXP so my eyes don't bleed when I need to work there all day And the later experiments, in search of this interface between usability and compatibility that is so absent in Certain Later Windholes... Host: Win11 Still trying to come up with a combo that works on the Win11 netbook. XP runs so slowly... 15 minutes later I was still waiting for the desktop to finish loading. Win9x/NT4 cannot use the Guest Additions, so can only run at 800x600 (which is awfully small on a 1920x1080 monitor) and does not see shared folders. That's not useful. So far Win2k installer keeps looping back on installing hardware, so that didn't work. Host: XP64, which limits it to VirtualBox v4.3.12 The main object is to get a few things working that need a newer OS. VMs: -- WinXP32 (for the DOS app I can't live without) -- works fine, tho I had to install from scratch; it would not import my existing "appliance" even as a naked vmdk (you can un7zip an .OVA file to extract this). -- Linux Mint -- runs fine but only at 1024x768. -- PCLinuxOS -- a couple of last-year's-models will install, but throw up all over the Guest Additions, reducing the screen to 800x600!! May try setting it up as Live only, and save the machine state instead of installing it. The installed version does not like the virtual video driver, judging by where it likes to stall. -- Win8.1 -- runs fine, tho it makes my eyes bleed. However, now I have a working FTP client without having to schlep files to a Win1x box first. Chrome itself won't install, but Supermium (current Chrome for old Windows) runs fine. (I'd forgotten how braindead IE was back then...) -- Win10 won't install. -- ReactOS just for giggles...runs okay but only at small screen size, and I think there have been a lot of usability regressions since the previous version (which was actually pretty good). Did you see the crazy thing (I think it was) MJD did, with VMs inside of VMs until it went all the way from Newest Windows to Oldest Windows?? > > Yes, the 'rolling upgrade process' can be a litte detail-filled! > KM> "Rolling" is supposed to refer to the software, not the server > KM> cabinet! > > Only when forget to set the brakes on the cabinet's wheels! OUT OF THE WAY, BERTHA IS ROLLING!!!!! > KM> I've come to greatly prefer a rolling distro for an everyday > KM> desktop. There are NO UPGRADES and therefore NO REINSTALLS. > KM> Someone took the oldest extant PCLOS from 2010 to 2021 (I think > KM> it was) using only the rolling update process via Synaptic, and > KM> only twice did he have to stop and twiddle something at the > KM> command line. But normally it's just click-the-usuals, go away > KM> for a while, and it's done. > KM> The other advantage is that problems get fixed NOW, not when the > KM> next major version rolls around. > > That option has advantages and disadvantages. I do like the 'fixed > now', assuming it doesn't break something else. (Of course the latter > is a possibility any time.) Ubuntu does have LivePatch, which is > probably your fix-it-now. Regressions have been pretty rare. They all do some degree of updating between, but the real point is there is no such thing as a release version, because it just keeps trundling to the future without the need of silly version numbers. > Around here I'd prefer manual version upgrades, meaning to go from > version 22 to version 23, not the more-minor updates. Have had old > computers no longer work properly with upgrades: IMO not a fault of the > OS, though one could say it didn't check for compatibility. Yeah, that is a problem. And yes, it should do a compatibility check, but that's not sexy programming, you should just do a reinstall and stop bothering us. > > KM> The downside is you have to do your updates regularly, because it > KM> can get out of sync if you let things go too long. (Tho Synaptic > KM> at least is pretty good at squaring things up.) But it's fast > KM> enough, given it's usually small, to do 'em often. > > Agree: though with the limited experience I have it seems Ubuntu does a > reasonable job: it seems one can take a 'basic' version (say 22.04.03), > which does the installaion and original versions, then at the end of the > installation ask for the updates and it will d/l umpteen files, od the > magic, and now 22.04.39. (Making up the numbers.) Well, my Fedora setup started at v32, and is now v40, with KDE upgraded from v5 to v6, tho that's still early enough that there are minor oddities. OTOH it did fix a longstanding visual bug in my preferred theme. > KM> Speaking therewhich, I need to do the twice-yearly version > KM> upgrade on the Fedora system, which I keep forgetting because > KM> it's an overnight job (sometimes two nights) and takes some > KM> babysitting before it gets going. Grrr. > > And if you're like me the babysitting is the major part of the delay! > Good reason to have two monitors so can have one on the upgrading system > and the other for while-I'm-sitting-here-do-e-mail, etc. Fortunately it's not a system I'm trying to use while it's doing this (in fact I hardly use it at all) but I still had to wait for the repository list (which was about 100mb and dozens of files) then two hours for the download, then half an hour for the update, then repeat this for the full upgrade, except the download took the rest of the night and the upgrade itself about an hour. I have no idea how one upgrades Debian, if it can even be done... þ RNET 2.10U: ILink: Techware BBS þ Hollywood, Ca þ www.techware2k.com --- QScan/PCB v1.20a / 01-0462 * Origin: ILink: CFBBS | cfbbs.no-ip.com | 856-933-7096 (454:1/1) .