Subj : Re: USB lock up - poo! To : Barry Martin From : Ky Moffet Date : Sun Feb 20 2022 11:02:00 BARRY MARTIN wrote: > Hi Ky! > > > I was sort of hoping to use that trend: eBay did have a few listings for > > used i5-12600K's but IMO not enough savings over a brand new one. > KM> Yeah, Worst Buy has 'em for $279, best used price is $269, why > KM> bother. Still too new and a starved chip market. > > IMO when selling used stuff like electronic parts one is going to take a > hit, especially if it's otherwise relatively available. I don't expect > a give-away, but not going to pay near full price. Used to be a fair used price was half of current wholesale. What with the chip shortage, now it's 80% of current retail, so there's not near as much incentive to hunt up used components. For a mere 20% difference I'll buy new and get a warranty. And we won't even discuss the price of used motherboards... > > I remember you telling me that back when I was having problems. And LIS > > (probably repeating from what's going to come up in the quoteback below) > > is AMD is damaging their reputation by recommending much less combo- > KM> AMD markets to gamers, and occasionally to HP for budget PCs. AMD > KM> is not concerned about reputation; HP will require their own spec > KM> be met, and gamers will always go buy the biggest cooler they can > KM> find because they get a thrill from overclocking. So AMD figures > KM> no point in splurging on the cooler. Intel customers are more > KM> likely to leave things stock, so best have an acceptable cooler. > > Makes sense, but still not quite. You're explaining it so I > understand the situation, it's the situation that's not quite making > sense. Of course I'm looking at it from the non-gamer viewpoint, plus a > bit of the Scottish no-waste one. It makes sense if you're a bean-counter in the marketing department, who knows his market, and relies on gamers' bragging for free advertising. It looks like insanity to we who expect things to work as-is out of the box without having to hunt up a bunch of pricey modifications. Seriously, for the effort gamers put into overclocking and concomitant extra cooling, they could just buy a faster CPU to start with. But some of it is the challenge and having bragging rights. Gamers were all green with envy when someone took a lowly 3GHz Celeron and overclocked it to 5.5GHz! (They practically had to give it its own refrigeration unit, and it wasn't good for much, but hey, it worked!) Actually, IIRC it was immersed in oil with a cooling pump. And I was like.. for that much mess I can buy a faster CPU. But no challenge in that! > > packing inadequate coolers. IMO if they cheat on the cooler to the > > point of not working what are they cheating on in the CPU? > KM> There is that. If you test only with gaming benchmarks, they'll > KM> shine. If you test more realworld work, not so much. > > And that might be another problem I have: look at the pretty graphs, > will say "higher is better" or "lower is better"; the graphs don't break > down this benchmark is better for what. Yeah, that's why I don't put too much stock in benchmarks that use only games to crank the numbers. CPU-Z has a built-in benchmarker now, which I find is good enough. I expect all it does is run the CPU against some repetitive calculation. Mostly all I want to do is compare my own against each other, and if I'm shopping for parts, against the cost of higher or lower performance. I don't need to know the frames-per-second in the latest fancy-graphics game. Passmark's stats are usually good enough for the purpose, too. Like yesterday, decided I still need to find Silver a better vidcard. How about this one? card that's in it gets a Passmark rating of 200; one I'm looking at, 1100. That's significant, and the feature set is close enough, so for the relatively small price, let's try it. Yeah, so it's bottom end compared to the new cards that score 11,000. The rest of the hardware isn't up to that, and I can't justify a $1200 vidcard!!! > > And yes, did clean out a few dust bunnies in the attempt to find why the > > overheating. > KM> Haven't found dust bunnies actually do that much harm. > > Several years back I had a refurbished computer that started making odd > noises or something -- forgot exactly what but apparently fan noises. > Open up, clean out a few minor dust bunnies. One of the fans didn't > seem right. Look with a flashlight: dust bunny build-up in the hood. > Pull out with tweezer: big chunk. Pull out more. And more. And more!! > I don't think all that was from here. Did get rid of the fan noise! Those aren't dust bunnies, they're dust buffaloes!! Worst I've seen... client had PC sitting in front of a window, in a dusty part of the desert, for a Long Time. I used a trowel to clean out the dirt, which had completely covered the lower slots. Bloody wonder it still worked. > I've gone to the fanless video cards if I need a card. Over the years I prefer fanless, but the option isn't always there. What vidcard does your New! Improved!! system get?? > the fans have clogged and therefore stopped cooling; the good news is > either didn't need the card or I had adequate circulation so the card's > fan was redundant. Don't do gaming, so my results may not hold. Also > don't do overclocking. Yeah, that. Fans on vidcards have finally improved, but then you get into helicopters, and I don't want the noise. But the little fans like to die, and those with fans are not designed to do without. So.. if possible, fanless. But no objection to a passive radiator (heat pipes) -- which will always work, no bloody fan involved. Bullet's vidcard has a replaceable fan (many are not) but those one-inch fans have a lifespan of about two minutes, and then they rattle madly or worse, stop turning but the motor is still running so get HOT. Finally removed it entirely and let the side case fan do the job, since it blows almost directly onto the vidcard. It seems no worse off. þ RNET 2.10U: ILink: Techware BBS þ Hollywood, Ca þ www.techware2k.com --- QScan/PCB v1.20a / 01-0462 * Origin: ILink: CFBBS | cfbbs.no-ip.com | 856-933-7096 (454:1/1) .