Subj : USB lock up - poo! To : Ky Moffet From : Barry Martin Date : Fri Feb 18 2022 10:28:00 Hi Ky! > I was sort of hoping to use that trend: eBay did have a few listings for > used i5-12600K's but IMO not enough savings over a brand new one. KM> Yeah, Worst Buy has 'em for $279, best used price is $269, why KM> bother. Still too new and a starved chip market. IMO when selling used stuff like electronic parts one is going to take a hit, especially if it's otherwise relatively available. I don't expect a give-away, but not going to pay near full price. > I remember you telling me that back when I was having problems. And LIS > (probably repeating from what's going to come up in the quoteback below) > is AMD is damaging their reputation by recommending much less combo- KM> AMD markets to gamers, and occasionally to HP for budget PCs. AMD KM> is not concerned about reputation; HP will require their own spec KM> be met, and gamers will always go buy the biggest cooler they can KM> find because they get a thrill from overclocking. So AMD figures KM> no point in splurging on the cooler. Intel customers are more KM> likely to leave things stock, so best have an acceptable cooler. Makes sense, but still not quite. You're explaining it so I understand the situation, it's the situation that's not quite making sense. Of course I'm looking at it from the non-gamer viewpoint, plus a bit of the Scottish no-waste one. > packing inadequate coolers. IMO if they cheat on the cooler to the > point of not working what are they cheating on in the CPU? KM> There is that. If you test only with gaming benchmarks, they'll KM> shine. If you test more realworld work, not so much. And that might be another problem I have: look at the pretty graphs, will say "higher is better" or "lower is better"; the graphs don't break down this benchmark is better for what. > And my Scottish Guy says why waste the money? Here the stock cooler was > sufficent at the beginning -- at least several months. Then I started > having issues with random shutdowns and nothing major software-wise had KM> Yeah, running hot dries out the thermal goo, and then you get KM> gaps and hot spots. Making things even hotter! > Did eventually find pSensor so monitored the various temperatures: CPU > the culprit and also found out about the stock heatsink/fan was . KM> I coulda told you that! In fact, I probably did. You did! :) ...Was more of a verify as I had figured out it was probably the fan. > And yes, did clean out a few dust bunnies in the attempt to find why the > overheating. KM> Haven't found dust bunnies actually do that much harm. Several years back I had a refurbished computer that started making odd noises or something -- forgot exactly what but apparently fan noises. Open up, clean out a few minor dust bunnies. One of the fans didn't seem right. Look with a flashlight: dust bunny build-up in the hood. Pull out with tweezer: big chunk. Pull out more. And more. And more!! I don't think all that was from here. Did get rid of the fan noise! > KM> Intel's HSFs are at least adequate for everyday use, if not for > KM> heavy gaming or overclocking. Copper core, decent fan. > Which tends to make sense to me: when overclocking one is going above > the standard so one needs to compensate: heavy duty PSU, heavy duty > cooling, etc. Gaming -- well to me seems mostly video processing so > 'video card' but the video card is governed by the CPU so again extra > heat generated. KM> Nowadays it's both, and cooling the GPU has become the Next Big KM> Thing. Triple fans and radiators and the like. I have a GPU KM> radiator (no fan) that came with a used card... card had a short, KM> got a refund on that half, but someday I'll swap the radiator for KM> the dead fan on Bullet's GPU, as I think it will fit. I've gone to the fanless video cards if I need a card. Over the years the fans have clogged and therefore stopped cooling; the good news is either didn't need the card or I had adequate circulation so the card's fan was redundant. Don't do gaming, so my results may not hold. Also don't do overclocking. > > .. Useless Fact: Zebras didn't invent algebra. > KM> I needed more useless facts. > Useless facts aren't useless after a use has been found! KM> Note to self: get a zebra. Hmmm: I figured you more of an A or B: ¯ BarryMartin3@ ® ¯ @MyMetronet.NET ® .... What is a zebra? 25 sizes larger than an "A" bra. --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.47 þ wcECHO 4.2 ÷ ILink: The Safe BBS þ Bettendorf, IA --- QScan/PCB v1.20a / 01-0462 * Origin: ILink: CFBBS | cfbbs.no-ip.com | 856-933-7096 (454:1/1) .