Subj : Re: USB lock up - poo! Fo To : Barry Martin From : Ky Moffet Date : Thu Feb 17 2022 15:22:00 BARRY MARTIN wrote: > Hi Ky! > > > Follow-up to the message I wrote this morning. > KM> You followin' me? :D > > Out of morbid curiosity! I'll be sure to leave a trail of dead bodies so you get your money's worth. > Right. Another factor I consider is the future: try to anticipate what > I will need for several years down the road. Did get the i5-12600K. > Did see the other options that were compatible but the comments kept > pointing to the i5-12600K or the i7-12700K -- must be a reason. Considering it's about 10x faster that where you started, it'll be spectacular. > As for the cooling towers the only ones I have used are the CoolerMaster > Hyper 212 EVO and the Cryorig H7 Plus. Using only one fan and seems to > be fine. The other fan can always be used as a replacement elsewhere. The fanciest one I have is a generic tower cooler I got off eBay for about $15 (it's taller than normal and gets the heat exchange well away from the motherboard). Works great. Quad-core 3.2GHz idles around 30C. > The reason I went with the Noctura is they seemed to be the only ones I > could find a LGA1700 mounting for among the three brands. Maybe not That can be the constraint, yeah. If it don't fit, ain't worth nothin'. > carried yet, though that doesn't seem right. Also where I was reading > the Noctura seemed to be highly rated and pretty much the only brand > mentioned. No, I wasn't anywhere near the Noctura forum! They seem to be reasonably good, tho pricey. > KM> The coolers I've got in Silver and Fireball are HP surplus. > KM> Didn't like the look or price of what else was handy, these got > KM> good reviews from genuine IT types, so tried one. Idling under > KM> 25C?? Impressed, bought another. Still impressed. (And that with > > That _is_ good! Here generally running in the low 90's øF (~33øC), but > of course part of that 'hotter' might be the processor, plus I've > noticed LibreOffice tends to warm things up. Closed/none is definately > cooler than 6 or 8 open documents. Busy is definitely warmer. Modern CPUs self-throttle when not busy, often down to half or a third their max speed. > KM> the fan turned down about halfway, that being where it starts > KM> being audible outside the case. Silver downspeeds it > KM> automagically, Fireball has a rheostat.) > > Gee, you could have used a switch bank and made it look Dr. > Frankenstein-y! It's already a frankenputer... Silver's only parts that came together were the mainboard and CPU! Fireball didn't even have that, the board happened to fit a loose CPU and loose RAM, and off we went. > I do some comparison shopping, plus glance through the reviews for > additional tidbits. (One review on my motherboard said to take a > picture of the serial number which is on the side of a white port but no > where else, not even on the box. He found that after he assembled and > got it running! [My box seems to have a s/n but will take a picture > anyway.]) Easier to do so before you mount it in the box... > > KM> I need to get some more case fans. Down to dregs. > Better that nothing but yes, buy before need and you might also be able > to catch a sale. You can always find Sunon fans for cheap, and they're extremely durable, but noisy. I've only seen one die, and it's probably 25 years old. And they move a lot of air (goes with being noisy). So... need to find quieter. But not $20 each . > The current computer I'm on (the one with the SouthBridge issue) wants > an additional fan. Not absolutely sure of the original number of fans > because I don't feel like pulling the unit but pretty sure one in the > rear panel, one for the PSU, and one at top (the latter two I'm sure of! > ) Was running warm, even after the swap in of the CoolerMaster CPU > unit, so rigged up power for a 120mm fan and laid on top -- temperature > drop! Intention of course to mount to the inside where it belongs but > with the SouthBridge issue and so eventual replacement of the > motherboard haven't bothered. If they're that much of a cooling problem I just leave the side panels off. Problem solved!! > That does make sense, though having some sort of filter might help keep > dust out. OTOH sufficient airflow shouldn't give time for the dust to > settle. I do have a few cases with front panel ventilation. Yeah, I need to get some more of those magnetic fan-cover filters for the intake fans. Work great. > > KM> My personal favorite is a gag fan some fan mfgr made and sent to > KM> Gamer's Nexus -- it just fits the side of a standard case. The > KM> WHOLE side!! > > Who stuck the extra zero on the mm figure?! Apparently :D > KM> See also their recent expose of Newegg's RMA BS. (Two videos, > KM> watch in order.) Conclusion, which some of us already knew: never > KM> buy anything from Newegg that doesn't have a direct manufacturer > KM> warranty. Also, never buy anything fragile from Newegg. > > So far I've not had problems with Newegg, but then I Me neither, but I took a lesson from others' pain, and only buy from there what has a manufacturer warranty, or is essentially unbreakable. Newegg makes LOT of complaints of DOA hard drives, apparently due to mishandling, and SSDs that are grey market thus no U.S. warranty (have to be returned to Europe, which costs more than the drive did). > don't buy too much from them. Sort of along the same lines I remember > semi-recently I was going to buy something at Amazon which was lsied as > them plus several dealers/shops. Lowest price by ~$15 was from a dealer > (also free shipping) but the reviews complained of shoddy (not just poor) > packaging: broke open, etc. I don't need missing parts and other > hassels so spent the few extra dollars. Yeah, I shop the dealer more than the part, given quality often depends on the dealer being honest. BTW Jacobsparts (store site or ebay) is a good source for good quality cables and such at good prices. þ RNET 2.10U: ILink: Techware BBS þ Hollywood, Ca þ www.techware2k.com --- QScan/PCB v1.20a / 01-0462 * Origin: ILink: CFBBS | cfbbs.no-ip.com | 856-933-7096 (454:1/1) .