Subj : Re: USB lock up - poo! To : Barry Martin From : Ky Moffet Date : Thu Feb 17 2022 15:05:00 BARRY MARTIN wrote: > Hi Ky! > I was sort of hoping to use that trend: eBay did have a few listings for > used i5-12600K's but IMO not enough savings over a brand new one. Yeah, Worst Buy has 'em for $279, best used price is $269, why bother. Still too new and a starved chip market. > I remember you telling me that back when I was having problems. And LIS > (probably repeating from what's going to come up in the quoteback below) > is AMD is damaging their reputation by recommending much less combo- AMD markets to gamers, and occasionally to HP for budget PCs. AMD is not concerned about reputation; HP will require their own spec be met, and gamers will always go buy the biggest cooler they can find because they get a thrill from overclocking. So AMD figures no point in splurging on the cooler. Intel customers are more likely to leave things stock, so best have an acceptable cooler. > packing inadequate coolers. IMO if they cheat on the cooler to the > point of not working what are they cheating on in the CPU? There is that. If you test only with gaming benchmarks, they'll shine. If you test more realworld work, not so much. > And my Scottish Guy says why waste the money? Here the stock cooler was > sufficent at the beginning -- at least several months. Then I started > having issues with random shutdowns and nothing major software-wise had Yeah, running hot dries out the thermal goo, and then you get gaps and hot spots. > Did eventually find pSensor so monitored the various temperatures: CPU > the culprit and also found out about the stock heatsink/fan was . I coulda told you that! In fact, I probably did. > And yes, did clean out a few dust bunnies in the attempt to find why the > overheating. Haven't found dust bunnies actually do that much harm. > KM> Intel's HSFs are at least adequate for everyday use, if not for > KM> heavy gaming or overclocking. Copper core, decent fan. > > Which tends to make sense to me: when overclocking one is going above > the standard so one needs to compensate: heavy duty PSU, heavy duty > cooling, etc. Gaming -- well to me seems mostly video processing so > 'video card' but the video card is governed by the CPU so again extra > heat generated. Nowadays it's both, and cooling the GPU has become the Next Big Thing. Triple fans and radiators and the like. I have a GPU radiator (no fan) that came with a used card... card had a short, got a refund on that half, but someday I'll swap the radiator for the dead fan on Bullet's GPU, as I think it will fit. > And the Noctura fan is probably overkill for my use but from my AMD > experience more is a lot better than less. For me installing a tower > fan during the construction phase is a lot more convenient than pulling > everything apart later. (This case didn't have the 'access port' so > disassemble everything.) It won't do any harm, for sure. > > .. Useless Fact: Zebras didn't invent algebra. > KM> I needed more useless facts. > > Useless facts aren't useless after a use has been found! Note to self: get a zebra. þ RNET 2.10U: ILink: Techware BBS þ Hollywood, Ca þ www.techware2k.com --- QScan/PCB v1.20a / 01-0462 * Origin: ILink: CFBBS | cfbbs.no-ip.com | 856-933-7096 (454:1/1) .