Subj : USB lock up - poo! To : Ky Moffet From : Barry Martin Date : Wed Feb 16 2022 08:50:00 Hi Ky! > KM> The main diff being that at 190W peak, the i7 is harder to keep > KM> cool. > Well I didn't find that but did find the two are essentially the same. KM> Not a huge difference for everyday use, no. I usually go with KM> last year's CPU, then upgrade it when this year's becomes last KM> year's. I was sort of hoping to use that trend: eBay did have a few listings for used i5-12600K's but IMO not enough savings over a brand new one. > KM> Fact is the stock cooler usually scrapes by, so better is not an > KM> emergency if you're just doing everyday stuff and not gaming or > I'm planning on using a much better cooler, especially after the fiasco > with the "recommended by AMD" cooler on the FX-8320 in this computer: KM> AMD stock cookers, er, coolers have always been utter crap, all KM> the way back. They were marketed to overclockers who always had KM> to replace the stock cooler, so why put one cent more into KM> quality than they had to? hence the stock AMD cooler is always KM> about three generations inadequate for anything more strenuous KM> than initial bootup. I remember you telling me that back when I was having problems. And LIS (probably repeating from what's going to come up in the quoteback below) is AMD is damaging their reputation by recommending much less combo- packing inadequate coolers. IMO if they cheat on the cooler to the point of not working what are they cheating on in the CPU? > fine at first, then started occasionally revving fans, then mysteriously > shutting down. Installed pSensor and some logging: the temperature is > what before it shuts down?!?!! Install a CoolerMaster Hypo Evo 212, > generally stays around the 100øF / 40øC mark. KM> ANY off-the-shelf cooler would be better than ANY stock AMD KM> cooler. They're intended to be trashed and replaced; see above. KM> Aluminum and half normal size for the CPU class, with half the KM> fan too. And my Scottish Guy says why waste the money? Here the stock cooler was sufficent at the beginning -- at least several months. Then I started having issues with random shutdowns and nothing major software-wise had changed. Sure, OS updates, added some software - nothing extraordinary and nothing I could point a finger to (like run XYZ and things heat up). Created a timer log (date >> logfile) to find out when and so what overnight event was causing the by then semi-consistent shutdowns. Deja Dup - the backup utlity! Google: CPU-intensive (well, yeah), nothing changed in updates though. Did eventually find pSensor so monitored the various temperatures: CPU the culprit and also found out about the stock heatsink/fan was . And yes, did clean out a few dust bunnies in the attempt to find why the overheating. KM> Intel's HSFs are at least adequate for everyday use, if not for KM> heavy gaming or overclocking. Copper core, decent fan. Which tends to make sense to me: when overclocking one is going above the standard so one needs to compensate: heavy duty PSU, heavy duty cooling, etc. Gaming -- well to me seems mostly video processing so 'video card' but the video card is governed by the CPU so again extra heat generated. And the Noctura fan is probably overkill for my use but from my AMD experience more is a lot better than less. For me installing a tower fan during the construction phase is a lot more convenient than pulling everything apart later. (This case didn't have the 'access port' so disassemble everything.) > KM> https://www.pcgamer.com/intels-upcoming-alder-lake-stock-cooler-ge > KM> ts-tested/ > KM> What looks so-so but has a copper core will outperform what looks > KM> great but has an aluminum core. > Personally I don't care too much what the inside looks like: I don't see > it unless I'm working inside. And outside I prefer plain. KM> Yeah, same here. But there's a fad for swoopy-looking CPU KM> coolers, which IMO is just stupid. Some look like they'd put an KM> awful lot of stress on the mainboard, being topheavy monsters. KM> (I'm lookin' at you, Zalman...) I'm briefly entertained by the blinken-lights but swirling LED displays on the fans, .. what pattern for the memory? They're a long narrown line. > .. Useless Fact: Zebras didn't invent algebra. KM> I needed more useless facts. Useless facts aren't useless after a use has been found! ¯ BarryMartin3@ ® ¯ @MyMetronet.NET ® .... "Do Not Touch" is a useless phrase in Braille. --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.47 þ wcECHO 4.2 ÷ ILink: The Safe BBS þ Bettendorf, IA --- QScan/PCB v1.20a / 01-0462 * Origin: ILink: CFBBS | cfbbs.no-ip.com | 856-933-7096 (454:1/1) .