Subj : USB lock up - poo! Fo To : Ky Moffet From : Barry Martin Date : Wed Feb 16 2022 08:50:00 Hi Ky! > Follow-up to the message I wrote this morning. KM> You followin' me? :D Out of morbid curiosity! > > Now for the CPU. Looks like between an i5 12600K and i7 12700K (leaning > KM> https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-12700K-vs-Inte > Did check the links -- some new/better detailed information. Actually > this one (truncated) I did find on my own. OK, with Goggle's help. > Did decide to go with the i5 12600K: didn't seem to be worth the extra > money for a processor which seems to be faster only for stuff I don't or > only rarely do. Gives me time to take a sip of my coffee/tea/water! KM> Yeah, there's probably not much point in going for the KM> highest-end for what our lot do. If you aren't crunching numbers KM> or rendering video, or playing the latest games... anything from KM> about a midrange i7 or higher range i5 (your choice) will have a KM> lot of staying power. Right. Another factor I consider is the future: try to anticipate what I will need for several years down the road. Did get the i5-12600K. Did see the other options that were compatible but the comments kept pointing to the i5-12600K or the i7-12700K -- must be a reason. > KM> Fact is the stock cooler usually scrapes by, so better is not an > KM> emergency if you're just doing everyday stuff and not gaming or > Down here someplace there was a link regarding cooler considerations for > the i7-12700K version. As the i5 and i7 are essentially identical > except for the max heat might be good to pay attention! ...Decided on > the Noctura NH-U12S -- the 140 mm version are expensive! (But cheaper > than charcoaling the motherboard and CPU.) Single fan with the ability > to add a second fan. Will monitor with pSensor and see if needed. KM> Pricey... I doubt a second fan does anything but KM> interfere with the first fan. I'm not convinced Noctua are that KM> special, tho they did position themselves as having quieter fans. KM> Which in this era of helicopter PCs is worth something. As for the cooling towers the only ones I have used are the CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO and the Cryorig H7 Plus. Using only one fan and seems to be fine. The other fan can always be used as a replacement elsewhere. The reason I went with the Noctura is they seemed to be the only ones I could find a LGA1700 mounting for among the three brands. Maybe not carried yet, though that doesn't seem right. Also where I was reading the Noctura seemed to be highly rated and pretty much the only brand mentioned. No, I wasn't anywhere near the Noctura forum! KM> The coolers I've got in Silver and Fireball are HP surplus. KM> Didn't like the look or price of what else was handy, these got KM> good reviews from genuine IT types, so tried one. Idling under KM> 25C?? Impressed, bought another. Still impressed. (And that with That _is_ good! Here generally running in the low 90's øF (~33øC), but of course part of that 'hotter' might be the processor, plus I've noticed LibreOffice tends to warm things up. Closed/none is definately cooler than 6 or 8 open documents. KM> the fan turned down about halfway, that being where it starts KM> being audible outside the case. Silver downspeeds it KM> automagically, Fireball has a rheostat.) Gee, you could have used a switch bank and made it look Dr. Frankenstein-y! KM> Um... this one: KM> https://www.amazon.com/HP-160w-LGA2011-Heatsink-656332-001/dp/B00H KM> 2YRL18 KM> copper foot under the included thermal goo. Except mine were $25 KM> off eBay. I do some comparison shopping, plus glance through the reviews for additional tidbits. (One review on my motherboard said to take a picture of the serial number which is on the side of a white port but no where else, not even on the box. He found that after he assembled and got it running! [My box seems to have a s/n but will take a picture anyway.]) KM> I need to get some more case fans. Down to dregs. Better that nothing but yes, buy before need and you might also be able to catch a sale. > Also need to find again the video on "Too Many Fans" -- found in one of > the links and made a note to look at it later in my notes. Would make > sense: need an airflow, and if too strong front-to-back might create a > stagnant air pool at the top and bottom of the case because air can't > flow into the main stream easily. Or causes whistles as the air is > jet-streamed through! Also thinking too much forced air can pull air > the wrong way through devices like the PSU. KM> Fans-fans-and-more-fans have become a religion among the gaming KM> and overclocking crowd. Yeah, I doubt most of 'em do much besides KM> make noise and rearrange dust (and so many of the newer cases KM> have crap ventilation regardless). I've found the PSU fans plus KM> one intake fan is generally adequate, unless you're bent on KM> burning up the CPU with games or other hard work. And then the KM> case fans aren't the limiting factor; the CPU cooler is. The current computer I'm on (the one with the SouthBridge issue) wants an additional fan. Not absolutely sure of the original number of fans because I don't feel like pulling the unit but pretty sure one in the rear panel, one for the PSU, and one at top (the latter two I'm sure of! ) Was running warm, even after the swap in of the CoolerMaster CPU unit, so rigged up power for a 120mm fan and laid on top -- temperature drop! Intention of course to mount to the inside where it belongs but with the SouthBridge issue and so eventual replacement of the motherboard haven't bothered. KM> Doesn't really matter which way air moves through the PSU, so KM> long as more warm air leaves the case than stays in it. I do like KM> to leave the top drive bay empty, if there's no top vent (Silver KM> and Paladin have vents in the case top), as I've found that does KM> more for letting out hot air than all the fans in China. Also KM> like to leave some of the slot covers off, same reason -- passive KM> airflow to move the main mass of hot air, while fans move it away KM> from specific spots like the CPU heatsink. That does make sense, though having some sort of filter might help keep dust out. OTOH sufficient airflow shouldn't give time for the dust to settle. I do have a few cases with front panel ventilation. KM> My personal favorite is a gag fan some fan mfgr made and sent to KM> Gamer's Nexus -- it just fits the side of a standard case. The KM> WHOLE side!! Who stuck the extra zero on the mm figure?! KM> BTW that's a good YT channel to check for reviews. They're KM> meticulous about testing and not tolerant of junk. Main thing is KM> being gamer oriented, lot of detail you and I don't care about, KM> but still good for comparisons and overviews. KM> See also their recent expose of Newegg's RMA BS. (Two videos, KM> watch in order.) Conclusion, which some of us already knew: never KM> buy anything from Newegg that doesn't have a direct manufacturer KM> warranty. Also, never buy anything fragile from Newegg. So far I've not had problems with Newegg, but then I don't buy too much from them. Sort of along the same lines I remember semi-recently I was going to buy something at Amazon which was lsied as them plus several dealers/shops. Lowest price by ~$15 was from a dealer (also free shipping) but the reviews complained of shoddy (not just poor) packaging: broke open, etc. I don't need missing parts and other hassels so spent the few extra dollars. ¯ BarryMartin3@ ® ¯ @MyMetronet.NET ® .... 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