Subj : Re: MS-DOS Emulation -use To : Barry Martin From : Ky Moffet Date : Mon Aug 03 2020 19:57:00 BARRY MARTIN wrote: > Hi Ky! > > That would almost make sense: here it seemed as if a buffer/holding area > > of some sort was being overloaded/overfilled as always worked for a > > little while and then stopped. The amount of time varied: sometimes > KM> When it ran out of file handles, probably. Windows could scrape > KM> by on 20 (IIRC) but as soon as you run something else... > KM> kablooie. > > Probably -- not questioning, just not recalling as that was a long time I probably wouldn't remember so specifically except for that MSOffice problem, and that my brain never throws away anything. Doesn't label or index a durn thing, but keeps all of it! > ago, and haven't fiddled with this Windows XP (on the virtual machine) > in I don't know how long -- I think it's even a clone of what was on the > old computer. ...Yup: 2008 (!) Well, c:\windows\system32\config.nt has > Files=40. (And I've switched topic from ~WFWG to XP.) Topic? What topic?? :D Tho I vaguely recall that with the NT base, it no longer really matters, tho might be there for compatibility. > > > almost immediately to a few minutes. Would be nice to be able to go > > back and check. > KM> Time machine needs rebooting? :D > > Might be abad time to find the motherboard battery is dead and we're at > the computer epoch date! Especially if it's Borg (the first of mine built by assimilating other PCs), who left to its own devices thought the year was 2093!! > > > KM> all was well. (And Windows never, ever crashed again, nor even > > KM> misbehaved in any noteworthy way. Seven years without a single > > KM> crash!) > > Seven days is considered a long time!! > KM> Not in MY house! > > It's all due to the typewriter hung onthe fence!! 38 years or so later, the warning is still in force! > > One fix for a problem creates a problem which needs to be fixed > KM> Haha, so it goes! > Job security for the programmers! Fix on problem, create another, but > not so it looks like incompetence! I've heard of some actually attempting that... thing is, those who think that way usually aren't as good as they thought... and get caught. > KM> Or why I'm a big fan of portable apps, and why we have Flatpak > KM> and AppImage for linux (given DLL Hell has NOTHING on Dependency > KM> Hell). > > I can sort of see both sides: mainly why re-invent the wheel so use > something already working (guess called a 'dependency'), but of course Dependency: same as a DLL, except for linux. Shared bits of programs and/or OS. But the problem is that dependencies can get out of sync, and then whichever program didn't update its build... no longer works. In fact I lost my preferred font manager to that very problem. It has a dependency old enough it conflicts with current OS versions. So this program works on the, uh, archival PCLOS that I've never updated, but not on the one I keep up to date. (Synaptic removed it, being fairly good about resolving conflicts that way. Otherwise I would have had several broken packages.) > that has backfired with the utility no longer working when the other > utility was altered. (Thinking in particular of GET and STRINGS.) No idea about GET and STRINGS!! > > KM> Yeah, I wound up using it because the person who got me started > > KM> on this stuff was a DRDOS enthusiast, but fact was it wasn't > > Something like when I got started with Linux. The utility I was using > > at the time for recording TV was MythDora, which is based on Fedora. > > ..Hmm: so why did I go Ubuntu instead of Fedora?? > KM> There's no excuse for Ubuntu. > > Maybe the Desktop background caught my eye: a Felt Fedora - yawn! An > Energetic Ermine -- hmm! ...Probably more MythDora died (no longer > supported) and Mythbuntu was the replacement. (I do recall looking at That sounds like a less fanciful explanation. > other options but they appeared to be too complex, especially for the > other person here.) Mythbuntu was built on Ubuntu and so if seems > halfway logical to get more into Ubuntu. Whereas I have a variety of OSs... in fact Fireball has accumulated a stack of SIX hard drives with several different Windows and one PCLOS. (I no longer multiboot, thanks to issues variously with GRUB and with the current Windows bootloader. Much safer to just swap HDs.) > KM> Seriously, it makes Win10 seem agreeable... > I'm thinking it's just a personality conflict: no real problems here; Heh.. in my book, Gnome3 is completely unusable. If I wanted a cellphone interface, I'd use a bloody cellphone!! Also, compared to just about every other species of linux (except possibly Mageia), Ubuntu is a hog. Not so critical on newish hardware, but it's downright sluggish on an older box. Realized why when I compared it directly to Mint... Mint is built from Ubuntu, but runs MUCH faster, and... per actual count only loads 1/4th as many modules. Well, no wonder!! So that's how I came to so very much dislike Ubuntu. > have been some minor issues but IMO they got resolved quickly. Now > maybe when looking at a more in-depth and technical mindset.... Or a complete lack of patience :) > https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/run-dos-application-in-linux/ > He's wanting to run a 16-bit MS-DOS game. WINE won't work because > 16-bit applications want to access the first 64K of kernel memory and > that's a security issue. DOSBox and DOSemu seem to be working. Decided WINE and DOSbox both not worth the effort; easier to run VirtualBox and WinXP. In fact that is now how I deal with 16-bit anything, and with Win-only apps I can't live without. And being lazy, built it once then exported an OVA, so I have the same WinXP in every VM. > I was expecting another page as he said 'tutorial'... > > This article may give you some other clues: > https://stackoverflow.com/questions/15597155/porting-16-bit-dos-x86-asse > mbly-to-32-bit-linux-x86-assembly Assembly language is its own arcanity... this program is in Pascal (author gave me the source code for my personal use... if I could track him down again I'd ask about opensourcing it). > My search was "convert 16 bit DOS to Linux" ==> > https://www.google.com/search?channel=fs&client=ubuntu&q=convert+16+bit+ > DOS+to+Linux Now my brain hurts. > Probably the more technical hits will be what you need -- they're over > my head. That's because they're hitting me over the head! > Yeah! Like my little issue with getting the fiber optic > system going here: details is posts with Nancy in Chit Chat, basically I > figured out why my computers weren't seeing the outside world: (a) > Ethernet cable was disconnected, and (b) needed another device (a router > -- I wasn't sure of the terminology so when talking to IT let them give > me their name for the device). Ah, yes, the old "unplugged cable" gambit... > Over the years have done lots of troubleshooting by paying attention to > details. Stuff doesn't run off 'magic'. Wait, it doesn't?? > > KM> Geez, look what happens when you stir the ancient sludge in the > > KM> sewers of Ky's brain... > > So there was this article about how the Thames River was London's sewer > > and during droughts..... > KM> ....they found Ubuntu CDs?? :D > > Nah: Prodigy! LOL, not AOL? :) > .. Shell to DOS...Come in DOS; do you Copy? Shell to DOS... 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