Subj : Re: Slimmed down Debian To : Ky Moffet From : Lee Green Date : Sat Jul 18 2020 08:57:00 -> BARRY MARTIN wrote: -> > Hi Ky! I'm not snipping anything here it took like 11 screens just to get to reply, you guys have the record on ILink for longest thread. -> Woah! Barry!! -> Hey, I actually needed that RAM the other day.. haven't quite given up -> on the D20 board that died of a bent CPU pin (worked fine with one CPU; -> put in the second and PFFZT! bent pin was very subtle, can't blame the -> seller for missing it. RMA'd and refunded and returned, and then he -> refused the shipment so I got the board back, a clever way for him to -> avoid paying return postage on a "free return".) Anyway with your RAM it -> at least powers on, tho so far haven't got any further. Need -> higher-powered magnifier and better light so I can see if there's -> something else making contact in there that shouldn't be. At least the -> power on indicates it's not shorted to the point of totally dead!! -> > > > > KM> These durn two-legged stools.... -> > > > > I wonder if that's why it was so cheap?! -> > > > KM> 30% off!! -> > > > If a three-legged stool closer to one-third! -> > > KM> I left a stump, in case it falls over. :) -> > > That should supply some stability! ...Just might not be too convenient -> > > to lug around. -> > KM> No worries, I'll just cut the other legs to match.... -> > KM> ...why am I sitting on the ground?? -> > I think it's "measure twice, cut once", not the other way around! -> I cut it three times, and it's STILL too short!! -> > KM> How fast is fiber, really? -> > KM> Test here: -> > KM> https://testmy.net/ -> > -> > Looks pretty good to me: have the 200 Mbps service. D/l reported as 204 -> > Mbps, u/l 146.6 Mbps. So the u/l is a bit sluggish but could be due to -> > factors other than them. -> Your idea of sluggish is a lot faster than mine... on a good day, -> downhill with a whip and a tailwind and someone out behind helping push, -> I get 5.2Mbps down, 0.8Mbps up. -> > KM> Mine is embarrassing... Not as bad as my ATT DSL maxxed out at 2.5Mbps Down and 0.4 up I think I had faster U/l speeds with a 56K modem. Complainers @ 200Mbps, I hear it from my neighbors on nextdoor.com always complaining about Spectrum speeds dropping out I can't do this I can't do that all while I zip along running many servers off my 2.5Mbps connection, bunch of milinial(sp) whiners. I pay a whopping $5/mo for DSL and $9 for Landline from ATT, I could go with their $10/mo for faster but it wasn't DSL and I didn't want to change everything over for 10Mbps and then not have it work with bbs,etc. I used to pay AT&T $50 for the same service but I took them up on their low income special, $50/mo was way to much for what I got. -> > You're also "out in the boonies" IIRC. -> Only a mile from town and 15,000 feet from the junction box... tho yeah, -> I used to be where to see civilization, you needed a good telescope! -> > Did receive a fix yesterday morning and so now on to other issues! I -> > have been using some fixed addresses just to make certain devices easier -> > to find. The MythTV Backend sort of needs to be at one address so the -> > Frontend devices can find it. The NAS also pretty much has to be at one -> > place. -> Can't you assign it one address on your router? I can do that on mine -> and it only has half a brain cell. (I don't bother, tho, cuz nothing -> here needs it. Also it tends to keep the same one per device anyway.) -> > this computer will play-buffer-play-buffer.... Haven't done a mega-d/l -> > yet. Could see where might still have a buffering problem if the d/l -> > doesn't share nicely. -> He went from donkey to jet plane and complains about the speed of -> freight. :D :D :D -> [Speaking of freight: we're on day 12 for a priority parcel from the Bay -> area, tho it's finally made it to Billings... 9 days for the previous -> two from CA... methinks CA's mail system is totally busted.] -> > KM> Oh, for general errors I had "No no no yer doin' it all wrong!" -> > KM> But Argo would never dream of doing a BSOD. Argo was 100% -> > KM> well-behaved Win95. :) -> > And then they broke it. :( -> Yeah... did I mention Win10 deciding to nuke the partition table on a -> USB-attached HD? I *think* what happened is that it saw the older -> version of NTFS, said gee, that needs updating, and ... no more -> partition table. Win10 is now closing fast on the #1 spot on my $#!T -> List, and will never again be trusted near data it doesn't own. -> Weirdly, out of six identical Win10 installs on 6 laptops (which -> recently fell on my head, Win10 and all -- two matched i5 and four -> matched i7, so by my standards quite modern!) ... three behave as if -> they're activated (they're not), and let me do whatever I want, and -> three whine that they're not activated and refuse to play nice. Guess -> which three were quickly replaced. I do need to find some SODIMM 4GB -> or 8GB DDR3 sticks, as they're all sadly under-RAM'd. -> [I've seen this before. I think it's a bug in the hash that Windows uses -> to create a unique machine identifier, so about half the time it thinks -> it's activated even when it's not -- it still says it's not on the -> Properties screen, but acts like it is everywhere else. I think because -> it uses essentially random stuff like the hardware serials/model -> numbers, about half the time it hits a hash that says to it, "Activated" -> where it counts. Such installs are portable and will not complain about -> new hardware. Also tells me they're probably using a flawed RNG that has -> gaps in its randomness, hence the bug.] -> Didn't like some quirks of the latest PCLinuxOS/KDE release, so finally -> got around to making a live ISO from my good setup (it's nice to have -> all my tweaks and software already in place). So one laptop now has -> that. Runs very well and doesn't annoy me every five minutes. -> I think another will have PCLOS/Trinity. -> A little experimenting on old and older hardware informed me that PCLOS -> runs really well on about 2.2GHz 2-core and above; below that it loses -> its snappiness, but isn't yet laggy. So now in the interests of Science -> I'm looking for the slowest x64 CPU in existence, so I can test my -> theory that it's still at least usable on barrel-scrapings. (Conversely, -> Mageia and Ubuntu are both laggy on the i7-3.7GHz with 32GB RAM.) -> Actually, Westworld's original CPU might qualify... it would run Mint17, -> but not well. PCLOS has a bit better performance than Mint. -> > > KM> rivet into the spots. Really good case otherwise, but lordy, -> > > KM> gamers and their desire to show off their guts... -> > > Look! The fans are spinning really-really fast! I've got -> > KM> And the colored LEDs are blinking a lot!! -> > Oh good! I thought I was having one of those spells! -> Silly Blinky Tricks: don't have a 2-pin speaker for the Thinkstation -> board. Do have a 2-pin LED, and remember someone using an LED instead of -> a speaker, for a deaf user. It works! -> [What idiot uses oo pins for the speaker, instead of oxxo like the whole -> rest of the world??] -> > KM> nothing is really *badly* made. Strong enough to use for a -> > KM> ladder, too. (And they come new with enough screws for 3 PCs.) -> > I don't think I'd attempt to use any of my cases as a step stool/ladder! -> Oh, you can quite safely use these old metal RaidMax cases as a ladder! -> [Razor Case] -> > KM> exposed edges. (In fact I still have one in the basement, sitting -> > KM> empty.) -> > -> > Empty except with your blood! ..You really should have refrigerated it -> > for a potential transfusion! -> Haha... yeah, if I ever use that case, I'm gonna name it Vampire. -> > I haven't had the Case of a Thousand Knives but have had some which -> > should have come wth a couple of Band Aids. -> Yeah, and that's worse. When you KNOW everything is sharp, you're -> forewarned. It's the surprise random sharp spot that will get you when -> you didn't expect it. Seen that too, makes unhappy Ky and blood on the -> components. -> > > KM> Likely so... more fins uses more metal and costs more! -> > > "We want profit!" "We want something that works at a reasonable price!" -> > KM> Gee, I wonder who said what... -> > The shoplifters?! -> THAT must be what the looting is about!! -> > KM> Well, I used to build and maintain custom systems, and was the -> > KM> hardware dude for the SoCal user grope, but haven't done any of -> > KM> that in about ten years now. So now it's all just for me. Mine! -> > KM> MINE!! -> > Probably because a lot of people use their cell phones and tablets as if -> > they were computers cut into that market. -> Something like 60% of the market is now cells and tablets. And PCs -> became more and more disposable. So yeah, not much market anymore. -> >Plus your dogs aren't nearly -> > as demanding! -> Haha, yeah, customers complain when you lock them in the kennel. Tho -> I've been known to use the Rex Carr method on dumb owners (do it like I -> told you, or I will hit YOU with the whip. Works amazingly well!) -> > KM> And Fireball is a Xeon, so having already named a Xeon Xorro, -> > KM> next thing to come into my head was Fireball XL-5, and there ya -> > KM> go. :D -> > -> > Much more fanciful names than what I'm been coming up with. This one's -> > "NZXT" because of the name on the case. A main computer downstairs is -> Yeah, that's how Dink and Wedgie got their names -- DNK on the case, and -> WedgTek on the case. -> > "ThermalTake". And I have a case for a project that's been on hold -> > from Raijintek - oh poop! -> It's better if you can pronounce 'em... -> > Frontend computer in the Sitting Room (Den -- -> > no idea why we're using an old term) called 'BrokenTab' because one of -> > the tabs holding on the heatsink broke off. -> What will you call it if you ever replace the mount? :D -> > KM> design problem.) This does tend to cause momentary alarm... is -> > KM> also why wood stove not used. -> > So when you go to the doctor's office they ask how many cartons a day -> > you smoke?! -> Haha... if I were using it, I'd probably get that! -> > As for the smoke coming in to the house, hmm: I like the name of this -> > site! https://www.gratewalloffire.com/Fireplace-smoke_ep_54-1.html -> Good one :) -> > Anyway, a few web hits are indicated blocked flues - usually creosote, -> > though could be a closed damer (who installed the knob the wrong way?!). -> > When we had the free-standing fireplace removed when building the -> > addition the guys found a bird's nest in the flue! -> Ain't blocked. Is tall enough. Still misbehaves even with hot fire and a -> window hanging open. Tends to go down to nothing and make way too much -> creosote. Something designed wrong somewhere.... actually I wonder if it -> might be that the rain cap needs much bigger openings to cope with the -> 8" pipe. -> > KM> something. Seriously, would you like the speedometer to only -> > KM> display a light when you're over 60mph?? And what's with all the -> > KM> touch screens that you have to TAKE YOUR EYES OFF THE ROAD to -> > KM> use?? -> > Yeah! Would also seem even if the dash display is projected -> > on to the windshield one is also focusing and effectively looking at the -> > inside of the windshield and not the road beyond. -> Oh lordy, there's one to keep everyone from looking on down the road any -> further than your own hood. -> > KM> That's another reason looking for older for the winter 4WD, -> > KM> probably 1996 or before... I like knobs, ON THE DASH. And the -> > KM> dimmer switch on the floor, as the gods intended. (Okay, so -> > KM> that's 1991 or before...) -> > -> > Well I'll admit the dimmer switch on the left steering wheel sticky- -> > out-thing isn't bad. Over the years I've more or less trained myself to -> It might not be bad but it's in the wrong place!! And all the blonds get -> their foot caught in the steering wheel. :P -> > ignore certain things and keep my eyes on the road, then glance to -> > adjust/turn on/turn off whatever when the traffic conditions allow. -> I like having controls I can grope, so I can find and manipulate them -> not only without looking away from the road, but also in the dark when -> the dash backlight is set fairly dim. (Old truck, radio backlight went -> off before the dash backlight did, probably by design in case someone -> found it distracting.) -> > More important to know when the volume control of the radio is than the -> > tuner buttons ==> quick left spin of the volume to cut the sound, worry -> > about the station selection later. -> Nothing wrong with a dial and buttons for station selection!! Perfectly -> gropable!! -> > KM> -- Jan. after a recent update, May out of the box. Finally -> > KM> installed MyLiveGTK and made an ISO of my good install on the -> > That's where it would be beneficial for me to know how to create stuff, -> > but.... -> MyLiveGTK is pretty simple. Exclude unwanted locations (such as your -> backup and ISO storage directories... can you can infinitely recursive? -> I knew you could!), and it includes everything else and cleans up after -> itself. It's slow but works pretty well. Voila, an hour or two later a -> custom install disk, with everything (including /Home) intact. -> > KM> Well, at least PCLOS only takes five minutes to install, and two -> > KM> clicks. -> > -> > I don't recall how long the basic Ubuntu (so 18.04) takes -- maybe five -> > or ten minutes but I almosrt always have the installation do the update -> > while it's at it, and obviously that adds to the installation time. -> Fedora install time and behavior wasn't bad, but Debian took a good hour -> and needed lots of babysitting. I never again want to hear how Windows -> installer rudely stops and demands input every two minutes... -> > Also makes a lot of difference if from a DVD or thumbdrive -- thumbdrive -> > sooo much faster, just I sort of miss seeing the blinkenlicht telling me -> > something is happening during those periods of "I'm thinking" and -> > nothing happening on the screen. -> This!! especially when the USB3 port is hidden in the back... -> > KM> own Win10-by-itself runs much better. I don't understand this. Oh -> > KM> well, set default boot to 2008R2, and ignore Win10. Damn thing -> > KM> now apparently rewrites the boot sector whenever you switch OSs, -> > KM> which does not strike me as a Good Idea. In the olden daze it -> > KM> just pointed at whichever one you picked.) -> > -> > Yes, overwriting the boot sector sounds a little dangerous as if -> > something were to go wrong nothing to switch back to. I'm thinking of -> > should a power failure occur and the UPS not kick in, or not for a -> > sufficient time. -> Did I gripe about that again today? It still annoys me. -> > KM> So now Fireball has working Windows 7/2008R2/10, and one working -> > KM> Linux, so at least it's functional across a reasonable spectrum, -> > KM> if not ideal. -> But still not XP64, which would be better for its intended use. -> BUT! The Lenovo guy found the XP install guide, and looks like the -> problem might be it needs the Storport driver (same one as for NVMe -> support), which has to be slipstreamed into the ISO. Would probably also -> fix it for the HP laptops that refused to play nice (XP errored out the -> same way). -> > That should provide some fun experimental stuff for you! -> Oh, the fun never ends... official Lenovo guy in the forum says, how is -> OS Optimized Defaults set? Disabled. Let's try Enabled. INSTANT BRICK. -> CMOS reset did not improve matters. Well, turns out that setting -> disables absolutely everything legacy (which he said means it shipped -> with Win8 -- uh, why does it *HATE* Win8??), AND IS STICKY across CMOS -> resets, so it played dead til I found it a newer vidcard that does UEFI, -> and could change it back. *whew* (And if that's how you feel, you can -> keep that card. Geesh. What do you mean you don't have a driver for it? -> It's the same card that was in Lightfoot when that Win7 was installed -> that you're cloned from; it already HAS the durn driver, you ninny! Look -> over there. See? It's right there. Geesh!!) -> > KM> Normally anymore I don't do multiboot but rather use hotswap bays -> > KM> and laptop HDs, one per OS... but the Dells have no bays at all, -> > KM> so the experimental installs had to share one well-buried HD. -> > -> > LIS in an earlier message I wasn't too impressed with purchasing Dell as a -> > refurbished machine for my use: found it difficult to pin down the -> > specifics on a particular machine being considered. Not saying they -> > aren't a good machine, just for my needs not a good fit. I pretty much -> > need those empty bays and motherboard slots. -> Yeah, me too. The no-space systems are fine for using like a tethered -> laptop, but are not suitable for my everyday -- solely because of the -> lack of expansion space. -> Well, I could use two laptop drives in the single 3.5" internal bay, and -> an NVMe on an adapter in the 4x PCI3 slot, but... since I have other -> options, why?? still inflexible once you put the lid back on. -> > Now that it's -- oh let's just say 'initiated' -- I can fill those -> > empty 2 TB?! -> It's easy! Just find an FTP and download the whole thing. ibiblio.org -> would make a nice starter kit, and then you could move on to -> archive.org. :D :D :D -> > KM> Patches included for Win7/8/10. -> > KM> XP64 and Server2003 are basically the same OS. -> > Any advantage in running the Server version over the XP version, -> > especially on a virtual nachine? -> Probably not. Server runs more admin type things and needs more -> resources. I've not run 2003 but I use XP64 on Bullet and love it. -> Rather pronounced with Win7 vs SVR2008R2 -- server uses 4x the RAM. (But -> on a high-RAM system, no worries, and interface is less annoying.) -> > KM> Yeah, I have no patience anymore. Either it works easily or out -> > KM> it goes. -> > Time is money! LIS I've done the same over the years with my various -> If time flies when you throw a clock, I want to come back as DB Cooper. -> > Windows and Ubuntus. Not a stopper if the utility needs to have a few -> > other utilities added to run, but I also need for the utility to be -> > fairly easy to use. -> Yeah. I just don't want to do the hoop jumping anymore. 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