Subj : USB port issue -follo To : Ky Moffet From : Barry Martin Date : Tue May 19 2020 11:10:00 Hi Ky! > KM> Yeah... not thrilled with Asus, but a bunch of 'em have followed > KM> me home, so.... > Free/cheap is good! Not necessarily the best, which is why the 'good'! > KM> Excellent, in fact. Some have been good, but the problem with KM> companies that cater to gamers is that everyone gets to beta-test KM> hardware. Gamers have a hard-on for AMD, so those are usually KM> worse. Yes, it would almost seem the gaming excellence would translate to super-fast CPU and GPU reaction -- how much work is it to put up a black or any coloured letter on a screen read from a hard drive compared to if an objects strikes another at a 47ø angle..... KM> The best one lately was Fireball (as it got dubbed) ... Silver KM> II's new board and CPU (Asus P9X79 LE and i7 3.7GHz) were an Xmas KM> gift from a friend, but was thinking I'd have to swap its CPU for KM> a Xeon so it could steal RAM from the PowerEdge... then got a KM> good deal on some faster RAM, so now I had this spare Xeon CPU KM> I'd picked up for cheap, going to waste. Socket2011 so not common KM> stuff. Sounds like what I did here: the 'kit' had a motherboard, CPU + that AMD-Approved heat sink and fan, maybe some other stuff -- been a while plus I've taken kits and used parts in two (or more!) different projects. Problems, found out the original 125W cpu is a little too much for the motherboard specs - heat and data-wise, so get the next one down (90W?, similar specs -- a few someones had experimented and appeared they knew what they were doing so went with their suggestion - worked except for now finding a bad RAM stick -- maybe would have worked after all? Anyway, now I have a not expensive but not cheap CPU, so get a compatible mpotherboard..... KM> So was at the recycle yard and on the dead pile there's a random KM> LGA2011 board. Begged it off 'em, took it home, populated it... KM> it's not dead. It's from a Thinkstation S30 (I =think= the board KM> is actually a Tyan), meaning it has the server-like habit of KM> playing dead for a couple minutes after power-up while it KM> inventories its body parts, and someone wasn't patient enough. KM> Happy birthday to me. :D Yeah!! ...Can you use 4x 4GB DDR3 PC3-10600 (1333)? A few years ago I accidentally picked up this server memory. HP 21576835. (Googled - didn't seem to show anything.) KM> So, what OS shall I put on it? :D > KM> I suppose some "hard drive fails" might also be southbridge. > So never assume what isn't working is due to what the obvious seems to > be. KM> Yeah... frex, when old Silver's USB was failing, it looked like KM> it was the external hub that failed... but nope, that's still KM> perfectly good. Yup: I thought my semi-new USB 3 Hub was failing so swapped out with a "spare" USB 3 hub - not really spare as I was planning to use with the new computer and bought while on sale and I could get a discount ont op of that. Original hub was fine, just the 'static electricty issue'. OTOH did find in that position the original 4-port hub was 'tight' and the 7 port replacement was better. (One port has a dead thumbdrive in it - metal case so I tap it to discharge.) > KM> Yeah, the stock AMD heatsinks are junk. I replaced the stock > KM> aluminum HSF on Westworld with an Adaptec-branded solid copper > KM> HSF, and CPU temp dropped significantly. > To me it would seem (ah! there's the problem!) AMD would want to approve > an appropriate heatsink and fan. Could see two levels: Version A for KM> AMD doesn't care for two reasons: general corner cutting, and the KM> expectation that the gamer market will replace the CPU cooler KM> with some custom solution anyway. But then when the same board KM> and CPU wind up in a commercial system**, it still has the crappy KM> stock heatsink. KM> ** As they usually do, once they're no longer bleeding edge, that KM> being where all the real money is. Yup - now any 'super systems' around here will probably also be built using heavy-duty cooling rather than stock cooling. May waste a little money if comes-with -- maybe take the fan off and use it for general moving of air. KM> But occurs to me that may be why this tale of two essentially KM> identical boards, both AMD: KM> Westworld (Clone): Asus M2N68-AM Plus KM> Paint It Black (Compaq) Asus M2N68-AM KM> Only difference is that the Compaq BIOS is locked so you can't KM> overclock it, and can't upgrade the CPU. Gee, I wonder why that KM> might be?? Hmm, no idea!! :) KM> (I always forget I have Paint It Black, possibly because it runs KM> Vista.) Sometimes a real system is better than a virtual one! > AMD seems to have a not-so-stellar reputation! OTOH Intel has also had > a few screw-ups, notably the "2 + 2 = 5 for vary large values of 2" > table error. KM> Everyone has bugs. But when they still published errata, AMD's KM> list was 3x longer than Intel's. And that was when they were KM> still using Intel's codebase, so they were capable of messing up KM> what wasn't already broken. Hmmmm.... (Why am I getting more and more certain I won't bother with AMD in the future?) > KM> Westworld's CPU is supposedly faster than any quadcore. In Real > KM> Life it's about 40% slower. AMD does not impress, repeatedly. > Apparently they have a very good Public Relations Department! KM> Marketed to gamers, and optimized for gaming benchmarks. Gaming KM> is a specialized environment, not the Real World. And gamers are KM> LOUD, so it's great free marketing. Also, gamers tend to KM> immediately assume any problem is due to their overclocking or to KM> game bugs... and dismiss bugs that came with the hardware. But by KM> damn if it has enough bling, they'll buy it! Nancy and I have a thread over in ChitChat sort of about the bling. Personally I prefer the plain black 'discreet packaging' cases. I don't need a whirling LED pattern flying around the case perimeter nor inside around the fan. OTOH it would be nice if the fan was having an issue to have a warning light. If be the blinken lights do something useful -- blinken light ist fur Chrrrristmas! KM> As a friend puts it, gamers ruin everything. I have avoided buying 'gamer' systems, usually because they didn't come with what I wanted. Now I'm seeing there's a deeper reasoning. > What was 'funny' is I did not hear a fan revving up. Maybe on a scale > of one to ten a three but I expect a slight change when doing something > CPU-intensive. At 180øF I'd expect the fan to be in full-throttle Holy > Mode. KM> No !! Of course they probably either throttled the fan speed or kept the dB level down to keep the gamers from being distracted. > Why it's so dark out?! KM> The light all prismed away! I'll have to reflect on that! ¯ ® ¯ Barry_Martin_3@ ® ¯ @Q.COM ® ¯ ® .... Not quites: Someone slips a disk & you offer to format him another one. --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.47 þ wcECHO 4.2 ÷ ILink: The Safe BBS þ Bettendorf, IA --- QScan/PCB v1.20a / 01-0462 * Origin: ILink: CFBBS | cfbbs.no-ip.com | 856-933-7096 (454:1/1) .