Subj : Overheating CPUs To : Ky Moffet From : Barry Martin Date : Mon Dec 28 2020 09:33:00 Hi Ky! > > Better than some TV shows with episode titles like "203"! (Which was > > shown after '207'.) > KM> "Some can tell 'em, some can't!" > "It was a dark and stormy night...." KM> Hey, the guy could write Was rather prolific! > > Yes! LIS some time back, did have the problem of the AMD processor > > overheating even though used an official AMD-approved heat sink and fan > > combo, Found out later in my 'research' AMD expects their gamer clients > > to swap out the cooling unit with a heavy-duty one; so what about us > KM> I think you got that from me :) > Might be: I don't recall you saying. And I will admit to having a bit > of a mental block with the heat sink and fan assembly being labelled > "AMD approved". I interpreted it as being the proper device for cooling > under normal conditions; apparently should have been "it fits". KM> That's about all it is, yeah. Have to admit some pretty good marketing: "if the manufacturer approves it must be good!". > > non-gamers?? Heck mine was overheating to the point of shutting down > > just with regular stuff like LibreOffice! > KM> Egads... > Probably should clarify that as add I just don't run one thing here at a > time. Virtual VP was running. May have had several LibreOffice > documents open because I frequently use for jotting down electronic KM> Yeah, I usually have a variety of Stuff running ... my main KM> editor and a couple browsers at the very least. Right; make things convenient (or more so). > KM> I think this one's name should be "Nothin' but Trouble" !!! > Or maybe "Wild Kid": with the proper heatsink and fan no thermal issues. > Does rise at time, but no where near those dangerous levels as before. > So with that aspect seems to have outgrown its rebelliousness. Now of > the USB lock up issue -- that same kid now in the work world and knows > to behave during the week and party on the weekend?! KM> Wait, it IS the weekend... where's the party? DON'T TELL MY KM> PCS!!! Even they are doing it virtually! That's the real reason your Internet connection is so slow: all the computers' Zoom, Skype, etc. > > KM> This'un, tho I only paid about $12 for it. > > KM> https://www.amazon.com/Adaptec-Socket-Heat-Sink-ACC-9520/dp/B000HR > > KM> PHKE > > Price when I checked was $33 + $8.49 shipping; CoolerMaster is $39.99 > > and free shipping: I like your $12 deal better, though mine was > KM> So did I. Was right astonished to see 'em at that price > KM> new-in-box, but was from some server recycler outfit and probably > KM> nothing their regular customers could use. > Possible. Or a mis-shipment: carton/pallet dropped off at the wrong > warehouse. KM> Actually it's just overpurchases that never get used. Pretty KM> common when you buy PCs and parts by the pallet, as clone shops KM> used to do. Next time the business upcycles their hardware, the KM> last hardware cycle's surplus goes to the recycler right along KM> with the actually-used stuff. Any stuff that was in inventory KM> when that generation of hardware went out of fashion, and KM> suddenly became unsalable and not worth the tax liability to KM> warehouse. So off to the recycler it goes, and eventually filters KM> out to dealers in used and surplus parts and a few bucks on eBay. Sounds about right. Sometimes cheaper to overbuy the quantity to get to the next discount amount. 9,000 fan assemblies at $5 each is $45,000 but 10,000 at $4.25 is $42,500. KM> And sometimes become scarce and expensive, like LGA1366 KM> heatsinks. Some people sink their money into gold, others heatsinks! KM> Mighta mentioned, someone lately gift me several nice 3rd gen. i5 KM> and i7 laptops that were discarded by the school district... KM> having been used so little they're not even broke in. (Under 1000 KM> hours on the HDs, and one had like 400 hours.) Basically didn't KM> get used enough to notice, so we surely need to replace them with KM> newer ones and toss these out!! I'd half-bet if they put the school logo sticker over the manufacturer's processor one three-quarters of the students wouldn't have known they were the older generation! ...'Course then there's the kids who know how to get into the specifications. > > essentially free from a friend in Michigan who for some reason thought > > the fan was supposed to be attached to the case and couldn't figure out > > how to extend the water pipes. (He has to be given some leeway as he is > > extremely near-sighted.) > KM> And apparently considers electronics to be a form of plumbing! > Not really: he has an older Ham license so AFAIK back then > they had to know some electronics theory. I do know there are some > liquid-cooled units out there -- friend in Nevada had one leak. KM> Oy. Well, Nevada. If it don't cook, it gets corroded... Nah: that's Utah and the Great Salt Lake! > KM> I've had some stuck on by twisty tie or external screw myself. > KM> These tend to become permanent. > One here was the permanent replacement. 120mm fan in a PSU locked up. > Removing the PSU to get inside was going to be a pain as one or more of > the motherboard connections were under the HDD rack. Plenty of room to > attach the replacement fan from the outside and connected the power > cable to one of the motherboard's fan outputs. KM> Gremlin has a fan permanently attached like that... wasn't a good KM> spot inside the case, but convenient spot to hang it on the KM> outside... had to do surgery on that case anyway, very early ATX KM> case that didn't quite work with any known board, but needed it KM> for one that swung both ways. Yup: if can't cool one way cool it another. I'm thinking a big fan could rotate slower and push the same amount of air as a small fan rtating faster but with less air flow noise. Another factor might be heat: pushing cool air into the PSU vs pulling hot air out of the PSU might be better or the life of the fan. Sometimes when replacing neither makes too much difference as long as the rest of the computer is now running. > > Huh. I know some older processors had some sort of elevated portion so > > the heat sink would only properly fit one way. Here haven't played with > KM> Heatsink fit depends on the mount, not the CPU. Some are > KM> directional, others don't care. > Why am I thinking 'Karma Surta'?!! KM> Wait, WHAT ARE THOSE PCs UP TO???!! Now where do you think those little 'portable' computers came from?! > OK, now that you've wiped the coffee spray off the monitor do seem to > recall all of the current (even old but still semi-current) CPUs are > flat and when I'm replacing the heat sink assembly I do double-check if > for the right socket: identification and picture. Only one clip on > either side? Check! Room for the unit? Check. KM> Square peg, square hole? Check!! As long as it's approved by the manufacturer! ¯ BarryMartin3@ ® ¯ @MyMetronet.NET ® .... "Do Not Touch" is a useless phrase in Braille. --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.47 þ wcECHO 4.2 ÷ ILink: The Safe BBS þ Bettendorf, IA --- QScan/PCB v1.20a / 01-0462 * Origin: ILink: CFBBS | cfbbs.no-ip.com | 856-933-7096 (454:1/1) .