Subj : Re: slow the growing of g
To   : Barry Martin
From : Ky Moffet
Date : Mon Jul 10 2023 22:20:00

BARRY MARTIN wrote:
> Hi Daryl!
> 
>   BM> I don't recall doing the salt on snails (the French use garlic butter!)
>   BM> but did burn a few ants using a magnifying glass.  PETA's going to get
>   BM> us!
>   DS>   I won't comment on the latest thing I saw them do...to make a
>   DS> long story short, it's blasphemous, IMO.
> 
> Probably/possibly so.  I have no idea as to what incident you are
> referring so a cautionary response.  News reports will be incendiary --
> "if it bleeds it leads" -- so while a bit of the incident is true the
> full context makes it false.  

See below. "Puppy mill" is MEANT to be incendiary, not factual.

> For instance I once beat a dog with a bike
> tire (it was off the rim).  OMG I'm an evil person!  The whole story is
> my dog and a friend's dog got into a fight -- not a quick snap but
> drawn-out fangs-bared, biting, etc.  Us kids were trying to stop the
> fight, I ran to the back yard and got the tire, ran back and started
> whapping my friend's dog with the tire.  Did stop the fighting and no
> injuries to the dogs nor us kids.

You stop a dogfight by any means necessary, and the best way is by being 
a lot scarier than any of the dogs involved. I keep a length of metal 
conduit by the barn door, because with big dogs nothing less will make 
enough impact. People who have never seen a pile-on dogfight have 
absolutely no idea how serious it gets. Hint: the dog on the bottom 
dies. Any human who tries to separate big dogs without a weapon also 
dies, or at the very least is seriously injured.

I have assiduously bred against dog aggression in my own bloodline, so I 
rarely get fights anymore. But it can still happen, and I *WILL* stop 
it. Dogs LOVE to fight, and those with the inborn urge love nothing more.

> 
> Now I will also admit there are outright evil goings-on which have no
> excuse.  Puppy mills for one.  In some cases probably a fine line
> between a breeder and a mill but overall a breeder is conscientious
> while a mill....

There is no such thing as a "puppy mill". The term was invented by the 
Doris Day Animal League as a way of smearing ALL breeders, because 
that's the best way to bring in the donations. So by their lights, there 
are NO good breeders.

Use the term and you may wind up in court, sued for defamation, and 
guess what, the precedent is the breeder wins, because the term has no 
use except to defame. BUT usually the breeder is put out of business 
first, and the dogs confiscated and sold by "rescue" ***without any 
proof of wrongdoing*** (if you are a dog breeder, you have NO legal 
rights) so very few fight it.

What usually get smeared in today's era are commercial breeders -- 
people who do it for a living, and therefore have tons of experience. Do 
you really think it's possible to stay in business if you're not doing 
it right? Puppies are fragile, and die easily if not properly cared for. 
If you're not caring for them properly, you have no product to sell and 
can't stay in business (but you already paid for a lot of feed). How is 
that supposed to work?

Conversely, once a "humane society" confiscates puppies from a breeder 
-- on average one in three dies in custody. Who exactly is doing it 
wrong, again??

And yeah, I get a mite touchy about this, because the public perception 
DUE TO LIES promulgated by "animal rights" groups is why I wound up 
starting over from nothing at the age most people are retiring. It's why 
there are very few dog breeders left in California, but tons of 
"rescues" (scams that resell dogs, mostly imported now that there aren't 
enough domestically bred anymore, that they acquire cheaply and sucker 
the good-hearted into paying their expenses).

Don't think so? All domestic sources combined produce about 700,000 
puppies per year (to fill an annual market estimated at 8 million), 
which is about half what it was 30 years ago. Per the most recent CDC 
figures (2007) the "rescue" industry IMPORTS about 1.2 MILLION dogs per 
year, most of them either street dogs from third world sh*tholes 
(occasionally with active rabies infections), or purpose-bred (mostly in 
eastern Europe) for the rescue trade. However, theft of purebreds for 
export to "rescue" is a thriving cottage industry in Turkey, with the 
dogs being "laundered" by way of China.

Terrible photos? Uh... some are from facilities that were already old in 
the 1960s, some are from Korean meat markets, but most are of modern-day 
"rescues" most of which have zero idea how to house dogs, but sure are 
good at collecting them for resale. Or in some cases, were staged (and 
in one case they weren't smart enough not to film the staging, but the 
judge let it stand as "abuse by the owner" anyway!!)

So, exactly who is the problem here??

And of course there are the "rescues" that somehow always have a rare 
and expensive breed available on demand, and somehow have more available 
than the combined output of all known breeders (cuz, ya know, over 100% 
of people who buy an expensive dog then "throw it away"). Turns out most 
of them breed their own. (There was a "Maltese rescue" that was infamous 
for this, and made a very nice six figure income at it. I have 
personally seen a local "humane society" collecting "free puppies" for 
resale.)
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