Subj : Re: Covid-19 was: Miss.RvrDam To : Barry Martin From : Nancy Backus Date : Mon Jun 01 2020 17:58:26 -=> Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 17-May-2020 09:15 <=- BM>> And they are trying to have some sort of graduation ceremonies for the BM>> Seniors. Videoconferencing just isn't the same. An audience of robots BM>> with cellphone faces doesn't quite give the same feeling. NB>> Not much comfort at this point, but when they get to be our age, NB>> they'll look back and see that they had a unique place in history... NB>> like others that missed out on certain things because of world wars NB>> or other pandemics..... BM> Hindsight does tend to make most things less nasty. A big graduation BM> ceremony and party is probably high on the importance list at the time BM> but the importance level decreases as time goes on. I do think it BM> should be honoured in some way and am glad for the 'pop-up' BM> celebrations. The other advantage is there has been time to prepare: BM> not like "sorry Charlie, no graduation/birthday/etc. event next week". BM> I'm thinking maybe the ability to plan for/create an alternative BM> festivity helps: "I can do something". That could help... :) And knowing that it isn't just them, but everybody in their class, all around the world, could also be a little bit of a, well not exactly a comfort, but at least a mitigating factor... NB>>>> I guess we'll just have to see how things actually play out.... BM>>> True. Us non-scientists are doing a lot of guessing, and IMO sometimes BM>>> acting illogically. News reporting pop-up areas of resistance to the BM>>> stay at home orders; Illinois has two lawsuits pending against the BM>>> Governor for overstepping his legal authority. OK, so people are BM>>> getting antsy and seeing nothing happening to them and immediate circles BM>>> of family and friends; doesn't mean the problem isn't still present. NB>>> And they'd probably be the first to blame the governor for not keeping NB>>> them safe, if they or their immediate circle got the virus... BM>> Of course! Put the blame on someone else for their ignorance / BM>> zealousness. Maybe Gov. Pritzger (IL) did overstep his authority; I BM>> don't think any place in the U.S. has laws on the books for this BM>> situation. Something had to be done, and sometimes overstepping is BM>> required. NB>> Yup. And even when it's necessary, there's still lots of NB>> second-guessing after the fact... BM> Right: no one _knows_, it's pretty much all scientific guessing and BM> computer models. It acts similar to which has a BM> history. While I'm sort of of the New Hampshire 'Live Free or Die' BM> attitude there are times to back down and follow. Especially, if the "or Die" is a distinct possibility to follow from Living Free as well.... BM>> For me it's more not open yet so can't do it, whatever the 'it' is. I BM>> agree with the closures so no reason to fight it. I'm probably not BM>> going to rush out as the various "its" re-open: give time for them to BM>> settle into the new routine, plus others will be rushing out and I BM>> wasn't a crowd person before. NB>> Neither am I... crowds are mostly something to avoid for me, too.. BM> I'm also generally not a crowd-person: too noisy, sometimes too BM> uncontrolled. OTOH some things just aren't right without an audience BM> or gathering. Well enough controlled and not too noisy, yes, I'd agree... There's one "it" reopening that I will be in the forefront for, and that's my massage, whenever my therapist gets the green light... She's put me at the top of her list... It almost happened Saturday, but then she found out she couldn't reopen yet, after all... BM>>> My learning was pretty much old style: in person, in class, though a BM>>> lot of the electronics is self-taught. Mixed results on that: done as BM>>> a hobby and not as a career. Working on 'stuff' it is sometimes easier BM>>> to follow along with a printout and/or I'll make notes of problems BM>>> noted. And sometimes those notes go in work copy and all done BM>>> on-screen. NB>>> And since you are just doing it for yourself, there's no pressure to NB>>> have to learn anything other than what you need, though you might pick NB>>> up all sorts of other info along the way... :) BM>> Yes, I'm quite sure quite a few of the electronics repairs and BM>> creations would have been a lot quicker and less frustrating if I had BM>> known more stuff. OTOH I'm not doing too bad; just wouldn't want to be BM>> hired with that tiny knowledgebase! NB>> And no need now to be looking for that sort of employment, anyway... :) BM> There are advanatges to being old enough and retired! Indeed. :) BM> And throw up there the "don't stop learning" thing. Everything is BM> evolving, so changing, and one needs to change with it. Not BM> necessarily 100% go with the flow, but embrace, though maybe at a bit BM> of a distance. (That sounds like the set-up to a COVID-19 six-foot BM> joke!) Well, there is the 'keep learning' aspect, and also the 'if it works why change' part.... :) NB>>> Dunno... BJ's carts are much bigger, so they tend to crowd aisles NB>>> anyway... BM>> Bigger carts tend to get people to buy more, though might also be more BM>> practical as a 24-pack of toilet paper would fill if even fit in the BM>> mini-cart I use at Hy-Vee. NB>> I think the bigger carts at BJ's are mostly because things are NB>> generally in bulk there anyway... I'm perfectly capable of only NB>> filling up the child-seat area of the cart, if there's not much I NB>> need there for that shopping trip... ;) BM> Right. I like the smaller carts are Hy-Vee because easier to maneuver BM> plus get items in an out: don't have to drop them in the void or dig BM> out the pit when checking out. There have been times when I should BM> have used a large/standard-sized cart. Bj's only has the one size cart, which is larger than the grocery large carts... At Wegmans, we use the large/standard cart for our weekly shopping since we know we'll have room to put everything, even when also shopping some for someone else... but if we're in there for just a few things, I'll use the smaller cart... I'll use some sort of cart in any case, just to have the support of the "walker".... :) BM>> And nothing all that new to report at Hy-Vee: still doing the BM>> remodelling, still moving around some items though many seem to have BM>> found their home in the remodelled sections. Still noticeable holes BM>> in the stock, though less seems to be due to hoarding and more to no BM>> supply available probably due to the manufacturing plant being closed. NB>> Yeah, I think the days of the hoarding runs are past us now... :) But NB>> the supply train has been disrupted now in various instances... With NB>> meat packing plants shutting down for COVID issues, that's disrupted NB>> some of the meat supplies... BM> Yes - my guess is the hoarders have decided they have plenty BM> squirreled away, the supply may be low but not critical. As I've BM> mentioned, the toilet paper and paper towels section at Hy-Vee is BM> reasonably well-stocked. Yes, some holes and almost-empties; quite BM> sure the limit of one has helped but also thinking lessening of the BM> hoarding. Paper goods have pretty much gone back to normal, though not quite fully stocked everywhere... still a lot of holes in the cleaning supplies and things like gloves and sanitizers... BM> Spotty holes in tuna fish, pizza and frozen foods -- might be due to a BM> supply issue or could also be people are eating at home: tuna BM> casserole, pizza, frozen meals. Or that might be a form of hoarding, too... shelf-stable or frozen, as long as one has room to stock, one can do some stockpiling... I have twice now bought a Family Pack (10 cans) of tuna fish to donate at church to a local food pantry that had asked for help.... but at our store, there seems to be a pretty good supply of tunafish... :) BM>>> Hy-Vee still has the long aisles with no mid-aisle cut-through so for BM>>> now I just walk quickly up the aisle I would normally skip -- less BM>>> confusing than skipping the aisle I don't want, go past an aisle I do BM>>> want but is the wrong direction, up the next one (correct direction), BM>>> then take a left to go down the aisle I had to skip, now skip the BM>>> aisle I was in previously...... NB>>> We all make our accomodations to make the complications less NB>>> confusing in our own minds... ;) BM>> At this point just easier to zip down (or up - depending on the BM>> one-way) the 'unnecessary' aisle. NB>> Indeed. :) BM> Some things just aren't worth a fight. I haven't observed anyone BM> getting in trouble (by whatever degree from The Look to physical) by BM> going the wrong way. Most are following the directional signage, some BM> have simply overlooked it. I think it was in BJs recently, there was an older woman, obviously distressed enough that she had to wear a mask to be out shopping, and pushing one of those big carts.... I think she might not have seen the floor markings for the one-way aisles, even though they are large red squares on the floor now... ttyl neb .... We must have a pie. Stress cannot exist in the presence of a pie. --- EzyBlueWave V3.00 01FB001F * Origin: Tiny's BBS - http://www.tinysbbs.com (454:1/452) .