Subj : Re: Resend Covid-19 was: To : Barry Martin From : Nancy Backus Date : Wed Jun 17 2020 18:12:20 -=> Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 12-Jun-2020 09:56 <=- BM>> celebrations. The other advantage is there has been time to prepare: BM>> not like "sorry Charlie, no graduation/birthday/etc. event next week". BM>> I'm thinking maybe the ability to plan for/create an alternative BM>> festivity helps: "I can do something". NB>> That could help... :) And knowing that it isn't just them, but NB>> everybody in their class, all around the world, could also be a NB>> little bit of a, well not exactly a comfort, but at least a NB>> mitigating factor... BM> Yes; sort of 'sharing the misery' makes one feel better, at least not BM> alone in the situation. Local TV station did have six or seven hours BM> of programming on their primary channel (6.1) last Saturday late BM> morning and pretty much all afternoon dedicating an hour each for BM> various Iowa-side high schools graduations. That was a nice gesture... :) Here, the governor decreed that groups of up to 150 people could gather (with proper distancing and masks etc) for in-person graduations... obviously it would mean that larger classes would have to break into much smaller groups, but it still would be closer to normal... :) BM> (The studio is on this side; I didn't see/hear where the two BM> Illinois-side stations were doing anything similar.) You'd almost have to have been channel-surfing to find out, probably... BM>>> Of course! Put the blame on someone else for their ignorance / BM>>> zealousness. Maybe Gov. Pritzger (IL) did overstep his authority; I BM>>> don't think any place in the U.S. has laws on the books for this BM>>> situation. Something had to be done, and sometimes overstepping is BM>>> required. NB>>> Yup. And even when it's necessary, there's still lots of NB>>> second-guessing after the fact... BM>> Right: no one _knows_, it's pretty much all scientific guessing and BM>> computer models. It acts similar to which has a BM>> history. While I'm sort of of the New Hampshire 'Live Free or Die' BM>> attitude there are times to back down and follow. NB>> Especially, if the "or Die" is a distinct possibility to follow from NB>> Living Free as well.... BM> In most situations I'd probably give up some freedom in order to live. Indeed... :) BM>>> For me it's more not open yet so can't do it, whatever the 'it' is. I BM>>> agree with the closures so no reason to fight it. I'm probably not BM>>> going to rush out as the various "its" re-open: give time for them to BM>>> settle into the new routine, plus others will be rushing out and I BM>>> wasn't a crowd person before. NB>>> Neither am I... crowds are mostly something to avoid for me, too.. BM>> I'm also generally not a crowd-person: too noisy, sometimes too BM>> uncontrolled. OTOH some things just aren't right without an audience BM>> or gathering. NB>> Well enough controlled and not too noisy, yes, I'd agree... NB>> There's one "it" reopening that I will be in the forefront for, and NB>> that's my massage, whenever my therapist gets the green light... NB>> She's put me at the top of her list... It almost happened Saturday, NB>> but then she found out she couldn't reopen yet, after all... BM> Soooo close! Good news is she put you at the top of her list: BM> probably means a combination of needing the care more urgently but also BM> probably a good/nice client. :) At this point, she's a friend, too... but mostly it's that she does know how urgent my need is... And now, finally, it has opened, and I had my first rub in three months Saturday, with another scheduled for this Saturday... I normally have them weekly, to keep pain under control... NB>> Well, there is the 'keep learning' aspect, and also the 'if it NB>> works why change' part.... :) BM> Agree to both. :) One gets stale without learning new things, though BM> sometimes less frustrating to stick with the old. I'd hate to have a BM> tube-type computer -- I 'complain' about the noise from the air BM> conditioner -- imagine the constant clacking of the relays!! Some things there is good reason to update... BM>> Yes - my guess is the hoarders have decided they have plenty BM>> squirreled away, the supply may be low but not critical. As I've BM>> mentioned, the toilet paper and paper towels section at Hy-Vee is BM>> reasonably well-stocked. Yes, some holes and almost-empties; quite BM>> sure the limit of one has helped but also thinking lessening of the BM>> hoarding. NB>> Paper goods have pretty much gone back to normal, though not quite NB>> fully stocked everywhere... still a lot of holes in the cleaning NB>> supplies and things like gloves and sanitizers... BM> Yes. During yesterday's shopping sort of noticed low stock in general BM> cleaning supplies; paper goods filling back up but still not to normal BM> levels. (Just realized I didn't notice any 'limit of one' signs at BM> toilet paper/paper towels. Didn't need so just zipped by following the BM> one-way aisles signage.) Little by little returning to normal... ;) BM> They did have several grab-basket displays of hand sanitizer: noticed BM> by Pharmacy and at the checkouts. Didn't recognize the brand; quite a BM> few of the local and regional mini-breweries temporarily coverted to BM> producing hand sanitizer so could have been one of them. I've heard of that happening other places as well... Shouldn't be running out of sanitiser now.... ;) BM>> Spotty holes in tuna fish, pizza and frozen foods -- might be due to a BM>> supply issue or could also be people are eating at home: tuna BM>> casserole, pizza, frozen meals. NB>> Or that might be a form of hoarding, too... shelf-stable or frozen, NB>> as long as one has room to stock, one can do some stockpiling... I NB>> have twice now bought a Family Pack (10 cans) of tuna fish to donate NB>> at church to a local food pantry that had asked for help.... but at NB>> our store, there seems to be a pretty good supply of tunafish... :) BM> Makes sense. A few people grabbing a 10-pack package could create a BM> few large holes rather quickly! At one point there was a limit 3 sign on the individual tuna cans... made sense to get the Family Pack instead for the food pantry... ;) BM> The Frozen section at the store looked a little sparse, but then BM> they're in progress of moving merchandise from the old coolers to the BM> new. Pizzas will be on my left instead of my right following my usual BM> travel direction (pre-one-way aisles). Yup, the remodel could be the major factor there, then... ;) If I were stocking there, I'd probably let stock dwindle some so that there would be fewer items that needed to be shifted to the new coolers... BM>> Some things just aren't worth a fight. I haven't observed anyone BM>> getting in trouble (by whatever degree from The Look to physical) by BM>> going the wrong way. Most are following the directional signage, some BM>> have simply overlooked it. NB>> I think it was in BJs recently, there was an older woman, obviously NB>> distressed enough that she had to wear a mask to be out shopping, and NB>> pushing one of those big carts.... I think she might not have seen NB>> the floor markings for the one-way aisles, even though they are large NB>> red squares on the floor now... BM> A relatively large number of shoppers haven't noticed the directional BM> markings; some are ignoring to get to an item they need. Makes me glad that Wegmans never went to the one-way aisles... A friend in the Toronto area was telling about how his grocery store had the one-way aisles, and they took half the cashiers off the checkouts to have them stand guard to yell at anyone ignoring/not seeing the arrows... very nerve-wracking....! BM> I accidentally went the wrong way in an aisle getting to raisins. BM> Didn't see on my initial up-and-down wanderings. They used to be with BM> 'baking': seems flour, evaporated milk, etc., were in the section BM> before the remodel. Now in "Dried Fruits". ...At the end of my BM> shopping looking for a couple of items I didn't find initially; got BM> those but didn't find the raisins. Looked in the would have been in BM> the old baking section - not there and sort of knew they weren't but BM> couldn't remember what the new location was. Did ask, he knew moved to BM> "Dried Fruit" but couldn't remember the aisle number (everything's been BM> moved for them too!). He's reading the hanging signs and gets to the BM> listing - got my raisins! :) At least you finally found them... :) And before long, customers and employees alike will get used to all the new locations... ;) ttyl neb .... 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